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Post by mmmmbarium on Oct 6, 2006 19:46:15 GMT -5
Chemtrails are a Conspiracy Socrates. So lets just put the whole Geo-engineering and Environment section int he conspiracy "dungeon". Its seems you are Biased towards Conspiracies from that statement.
If Swamp Gas or Thetaloops decides what I'm posting is inappropriate or in the wrong section, then they will take the necessary action. You are not the Moderator Socarates.
Don't compare me to weatherman Socrates. Whats with all the cheap shots? Just like that article said, you have different views about Global warming, and the people on the Global Band wagon start going crazy.
It is just your opinion that chemtrails are to stop global warming. Clifford Carnicom has stated they are not for that purpose. And he knows alot more about this subject then you do. So I'll take his word over yours.
So global warming was a talked about in the 30's? I thought it was an accumulative effect? How many years from the start of the industrial age to the 1930's?
Let me say something I have stated before. I think we are raping the planet, and green house gas emissions are bad, and the planet is dying. And that we should stop burning fossil fuels etc. But I'm not going to jump on the mainstream global warming bandwagon view when something seems fishy.
If indeed the sun is to blame, and not green house gases, then in a way Global warming is a hoax, perpetrated by the powers that be.
But what it really comes down to is the fact that the Elite have withheld clean burning technologies from the public for a long time now. And have been responsible for the decay of this planet. Ohhh, wait, thats a Conspiracy. Id better put that over int he Conspiracy "dungeon" LOL!
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Post by socrates on Oct 7, 2006 11:09:42 GMT -5
I believe that the chemtrail program in place is a Frankenstein effort to maintain the status quo through radiative forcing. This is done through attempts to counteract the greenhouse effect and prevent harmful uv rays from pounding on us through ozone holes. Mind control and depopulation theories only serve debunkers, who can easily point to them as evidence that chemtrail talk is ridiculous.
One thing I am trying to figure out is the barium/sulfur debate. Chem11 at Megasprayer makes a convincing argument that what we are primarily witnessing in the skies is the result of sulfate aerosols. Barium just doesn't have the ability to spread out and create fake cloud cover. I am starting to think that the use of barium is involved, but that it is used in efforts to "direct" the atmosphere. I do think that chemtrails are cooking the planet. They can only give a false positive, in that some measurements could be taken to show a cooling effect. However, the net result is still toward warming.
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Post by altitudelou on Oct 7, 2006 19:50:35 GMT -5
Socrates wrote,
"I believe that the chemtrail program in place is a Frankenstein effort to maintain the status quo through radiative forcing. This is done through attempts to counteract the greenhouse effect and prevent harmful uv rays from pounding on us through ozone holes. Mind control and depopulation theories only serve debunkers, who can easily point to them as evidence that chemtrail talk is ridiculous."
""One thing I am trying to figure out is the barium/sulfur debate. Chem11 at Megasprayer makes a convincing argument that what we are primarily witnessing in the skies is the result of sulfate aerosols. Barium just doesn't have the ability to spread out and create fake cloud cover. I am starting to think that the use of barium is involved, but that it is used in efforts to "direct" the atmosphere. I do think that chemtrails are cooking the planet. They can only give a false positive, in that some measurements could be taken to show a cooling effect. However, the net result is still toward warming."" ______________________________________________________________
If I have learned anything since becoming involved in this Chemtrail / Global Spraying issue it is that I can not put forth a single particular theory as to just what it is being done for, I know that it is being done but to state a specific reason for it would be pure speculation on my part and I would like to avoid that as it only creates food for the debunkers to attack with.
A lot of what is said about the spraying is pure speculation and until we have some definitive proof of exactly what it is that they are trying to achieve with it the speculation is not only feeding the debunkers but it is causing division among those interested in the truth behind the spraying.
The Global Spraying issue is not going to be resolved by people playing a guessing game, it's going to take some hard evidence, lab test of the material being sprayed or an insider coming forward with more than a story, it will take verifiable documentation, implementation plans, starting dates, names, dates, etc, etc...
I think that the speculation is a driving force of most forums, this one included and that's not all bad, it's good to kick around different theories since we don't really know why or what the spraying is for, I think as long as the speculation stays within the line of common sense it presents no harm but when it turns to Aliens, population culling, mind control, speculation of this nature really makes us look like we are warring spaghetti strainers as headgear and the debunkers have a field day pointing out that we are all nut cases, even people who might be interested in the spraying tend to shy away from that kind of speculation and that does our cause no good at all.
I'm as guilty as the next person of speculating about the spraying but I have learned that it serves no useful purpose and it's actually self defeating in determining exactly the what's an why's of and for the spraying but that's Ok, you can speculate.
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Post by socrates on Oct 8, 2006 13:43:19 GMT -5
I admit I have been putting forward speculation with confidence. My rationale has been driven by the emergence of the geo-engineering debate into the mainstream media. I also see the program as one which targets the sun. My own eyes see this.
The other reason I think it is okay to develop the most logical explanations for the program is because the first question people ask when they first hear about chemtrails is why would that be going on. The old day debunkers ran this one into the ground as they argued that those are just contrails like always. The present disinfo scheme is to flood the web with the crazy talk and theories, thus dimming awareness of more plausible theories for why would they be doing this. They realise that only the brain dead will not at some point realise that the aesthetics of the sky have changed inexplicably for the worse.
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Post by altitudelou on Oct 8, 2006 19:59:57 GMT -5
I agree that it's alright to speculate with regard to what the function and ultimate purpose of the spraying is if it stays within the boundaries of common sense, e.g. weather modification, the mitigation of Global Warming, geo-engineering, shielding protection from UV due to Ozone depletion, etc,... these are all valid talking points which the Global Spraying may or may not have a bearing on and it's good if people are talking about these issues, keeping them in the forefront along with the spraying topic can't hurt our cause any.
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Post by altitudelou on Oct 14, 2006 18:54:39 GMT -5
People are finally waking up to the undeniable truth that Global Warming is affecting our lives and will continue to do so for many years to come. A few recent articles to ponder. _____________________________________________________________________ Scientist: Global warming to hit West hard By BOBBY MAGILL The Daily Sentinel www.gjsentinel.com/news/content/news/stories/2006/10/13/10_13_1a_climate.html_____________________________________________________________________ Global warming is changing our state RON SEELY www.madison.com/wsj/mad/top/index.php?ntid=102840______________________________________________________________________ Climate Change Inaction Will Cost Trillions: Study by Jeremy Lovell www.commondreams.org/headlines06/1013-08.htm______________________________________________________________________ Could the recent early snowstorms in Buffalo, New York be a result of Global Warming, scientist and meteorologist unable to say that the storms were linked to Global Warming but unsure as to why the storms occurred at this early date. _______________________________________________________________________ CNN.com / Weather Record snowstorm blankets Buffalo area POSTED: 10:26 p.m. EDT, October 13, 2006 www.cnn.com/2006/WEATHER/10/13/ny.snow.ap/index.htmlRelated story: Records set throughout the United States. October storm sets records news.yahoo.com/s/wcom/20061013/we_wcom/october_storm_sets_records______________________________________________________________________ US Northeast Could Warm Drastically by 2100 - Study US: October 5, 2006 "WASHINGTON - For those who love New England's mild summer weather, scientists have some advice: enjoy it while you can." _________________________________________________________________________
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Post by altitudelou on Oct 14, 2006 18:59:48 GMT -5
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Post by altitudelou on Oct 16, 2006 18:13:57 GMT -5
Fires and worst drought in 100 years wake Australia up to the reality of climate change By Kathy Marks in Sydney Published: 14 October 2006 news.independent.co.uk/world/australasia/article1870837.ece"Australia is confronting its worst drought in a century with rampant fires devastating agricultural areas, rivers drying up, crops failing, and farmers forced to sell off their livestock. The bushfire season has begun months early and the government has pledged financial aid for despairing farmers, already laden with debt after five straight years of drought. Some may earn no income at all this year, and there are fears that the suicide rate in the countryside, which is already high, will soar further". __________________________________________________________________ *"Near the day of the Great Purification, there will be cobwebs spun back and forth in the sky."* ................................................... Hopi prophecy.
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Post by altitudelou on Oct 21, 2006 19:45:31 GMT -5
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Post by Swamp Gas on Oct 21, 2006 20:03:59 GMT -5
Nope, not at all. It is strange that Exxon/Mobil and associates are all trying to deny or downplay the effects of Ozone depletion and human accelerated Global Warming, and yet NASA is publishing data that says that it is runaway. I think sometimes that the government and corporations don't know their ass from a hole in sky. Then you have the spokespeople for environmental destruction all denying there is anything going wrong and this is simply another cycle we are going through. Problem is this. These "cycles" kill millions if not billions of creatures and flora each time it occurs. If Global Waring precedes an Ice Age, we humans are bringing this on faster than anytime in the history of planet earth. Mix that with a healthy dose of Biblical End of Times-ism, and "things will be better in heaven", and this which is running a sub-routine even in people that know better: "Revelation 7:3, the angel that has the seal of the living God tells the four angels that have the power to hurt the earth and sea, "Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads." As we will see in a moment, the trumpet plagues which follow will destroy 1/3 of the trees, 1/3 of the sea, 1/3 of the rivers, and 1/3 of the people on the earth. But the 144,000 must be sealed first. This further confirms that these events are, for the most part, written in the chronological order in which they will occur."
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Post by altitudelou on Oct 23, 2006 21:42:26 GMT -5
Swampgas,
Sorry about the slow response, high winds here in Maine, spotty power, no computer.
Ha,.........I think it a case of the left hand not knowing what the right hand is doing, or visa-versa, these guys can't get their story straight, one bunch pay scientoids hundreds of thousands of dollars to say that global warming is nothing and at the same time NOAA, NASA and climate scientist around the planet are as you say, calling global warming a runaway, who are they kidding, the planet is in revolt, it's sick of us humans screwing it up, guess who's going to win this argument,......hint, .........it's not going to be us.
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Post by altitudelou on Oct 23, 2006 21:46:59 GMT -5
"Revelation 7:3, the angel that has the seal of the living God tells the four angels that have the power to hurt the earth and sea, "Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads." As we will see in a moment, the trumpet plagues which follow will destroy 1/3 of the trees, 1/3 of the sea, 1/3 of the rivers, and 1/3 of the people on the earth. But the 144,000 must be sealed first. This further confirms that these events are, for the most part, written in the chronological order in which they will occur." _____________________________________________________________
Indeed, the Hopi thought this was true also.
"Near the day of the Great Purification, there will be cobwebs spun back and forth in the sky." ................................................... Hopi prophecy.
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Post by altitudelou on Oct 23, 2006 22:34:57 GMT -5
I did not want to start a new thread on this, just a look at our local weather that we have had the past few days.
Ah yes, a taste of things to come, I'm surprised that we had power at all over the past three days.
Taken from the Conway Daily Sun, Conway, New Hampshire.
10/23/2006
Taste of winter blows through counties High winds batter Maine, New Hampshire
David Carkhuff
10/23/2006
Taste of winter blows through counties High winds batter Maine, New Hampshire
—High winds on Friday gave way to winter-like cold temperatures during the weekend and snow that draped the ground in northern parts of Carroll County and Oxford County Monday morning.
Tuesday night, the forecast calls for a 40 percent chance of rain or snow showers with a low around 36 degrees.
The snowstorm was announced by high winds, perhaps as high as 40 miles per hour in some locations.
"The highest I recorded was 33 miles per hour. My equipment is sheltered somewhat by trees," said Conway weather observer Briggs Bunker. "It took a lot of small limbs down and took some large trees."
Conway received 2.22 inches of precipitation on Thursday and Friday, Bunker said, and another quarter of an inch from Sunday night to 7 a.m. Monday. North Conway was spared the snow, although towns such as Bartlett and Jackson woke up to white.
"We had some snowflakes but nothing that stayed on the ground," Bunker said. From 7 a.m. Monday to mid-day Monday, another .38 inches accumulated in Conway, Bunker estimated.
With a week left, October should end with above-average precipitation, he said.
"We had a lot of activity with the wires down — trees fallen into wires, sparking wires," said Conway Police Lt. Joe Faia.
Power companies scrambled to fix downed lines after Friday afternoon's onset of blustery winds.
New Hampshire Electric Co-op had five substations down throughout the Friday-to-Saturday storm. The cooperative's 12 districts experienced staggered outages, according to Amanda Conaway, marketing public relations manager for New Hampshire Electric Cooperative.
"At one point all of our districts had outages," Conaway said.
"We had calls from Vermont and Maine that requested assistance, but we weren't able to provide it because we were pretty much flat out," Conaway said.
New Hampshire Electric Co-op serves 118 communities and about 80,000 customers.
"We had probably 8,000 and 10,000 out, and then we would get people up," Conaway said. A snowstorm that buried Buffalo, N.Y., on Oct. 13 drew away manpower.
"A lot of our contractors were up in Buffalo because of the storm up there. We had some crews that were able to come in from other areas," Conaway said.
Public Service of New Hampshire, which serves more than 447,000 homes and businesses throughout the state, also sent dozens of workers to Buffalo. In New York a week earlier, about 190,000 customers were without power in the wake of an early-season snowstorm. At the peak, during the Oct. 13-15 weekend, more than 260,000 home and business customers of the local utility, National Grid, were without power, and President Bush declared four area counties disaster areas after up to 20 inches of wet, heavy snow brought down trees and branches in and around Buffalo, PSNH reported.
Martin Murray, spokesman for PSNH, said New Hampshire customers in the Seacoast/Northern Region, which includes parts of Carroll County, fared better with this region's wind and snow storms. The region endured about 180 power problems, ranging from widespread outages to single lines being down, he estimated.
A total of roughly 5,800 customers were affected by the storm in the company's Chocorua area, which is is bordered by Chatham at the north and Effingham on the south and Albany and Tamworth to the west, Murray reported.
"We experienced scattered outages covering a wide area of the state, primarily caused by high winds. The peak number of PSNH customers reported without power was 29,000 at 9 p.m. Friday," Murray reported. "Our call center handled more than 22,000 storm-related phone calls. The majority of customers were restored by Saturday morning."
In the company's Chocorua area, about 50 separate problems that had to be fixed by line crews, he said.
"They were absolutely wrapped up by mid-afternoon on Sunday," Murray said.
In Maine, Central Maine Power Co. reported that crews had reduced the number of customer outages to 9,584 on Saturday afternoon, down by nearly half from the 18,500 accounts that were without power just before noon on Saturday.
Gail Rice, media relations official for Central Maine Power, said the company finished on Sunday with power restoration.
In the Bridgton area, outages were scattered.
"That peaked out at about 2,000 customer accounts Saturday afternoon, we pretty much had it taken care of about 7 o'clock last evening," Rice reported Monday.
Fryeburg Police Chief Wayne Brooking said the duration of local outages varied.
"Down in East Fryeburg it was probably four or five hours, 12 or 13 hours in the village," he estimated.
Snow was limited to higher elevations.
"We didn't have any in town. I heard it was snowing pretty heavy up in Stow," Brooking said.
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And so, it begins, This is what the old timers call "The October Big Blow", then it's winter up here until around April.
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Post by altitudelou on Oct 24, 2006 22:21:28 GMT -5
James Lovelock in my opinion, is a man who knows how to tell the truth. the following article is about as close to any real truth that we are likely to see with regard to Global Warming which is no doubt out of our control. How Close to Catastrophe? It's a bit of a long read for an article but, hey, what are you doing, you got some place to go ? www.commondreams.org/views06/1023-24.htm
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Post by altitudelou on Oct 25, 2006 21:34:52 GMT -5
This article speaks to humans influence on nature and natures ultimate influence on humans, it is so true that what goes around, comes around. www.infoshop.org/inews/article.php?story=20061024111051906Humans living far beyond planet's means Tuesday, October 24 2006 @ 11:10 AM PDT Contributed by: Admin ...Snip... "Populations of many species, from fish to mammals, had fallen by about a third from 1970 to 2003 largely because of human threats such as pollution, clearing of forests and overfishing, the group also said in a two-yearly report. "For more than 20 years we have exceeded the earth's ability to support a consumptive lifestyle that is unsustainable and we cannot afford to continue down this path," WWF Director-General James Leape said, launching the WWF's 2006 Living Planet Report. "If everyone around the world lived as those in America, we would need five planets to support us," Leape, an American, said in Beijing."
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Post by altitudelou on Oct 31, 2006 20:07:34 GMT -5
1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10_Ready or not, the Greenland Ice Sheet is melting away. Climate scientist are now lowering the bar as to just what the "Tipping Point" is. news.independent.co.uk/environment/article1940797.ece"The world's target for stopping global warming should be based on the point at which the melting of the great Greenland ice sheet becomes irreversible, says the Government's chief scientific adviser, Sir David King."
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Post by socrates on Nov 2, 2006 11:34:54 GMT -5
Scientists Say White House Muzzled ThemBy JOHN HEILPRIN, Associated Press Writer Wed Nov 1, 11:43 PM ET WASHINGTON - Two federal agencies are investigating whether the Bush administration tried to block government scientists from speaking freely about global warming and censor their research, a senator said Wednesday. Sen. Frank Lautenberg, D-N.J., said he was informed that the inspectors general for the Commerce Department and NASA had begun "coordinated, sweeping investigations of the Bush administration's censorship and suppression" of federal research into global warming. "These investigations are critical because the Republicans in Congress have ignored this serious problem," Lautenberg said. He said the investigations "will uncover internal documents and agency correspondence that may expose widespread misconduct." He added, "Taxpayers do not fund scientific research so the Bush White House can alter it." Messages left Wednesday at the offices of the inspectors general, which serve as the agencies' internal watchdogs, were not immediately returned. Kristen Hellmer, a spokeswoman for the White House Council for Environmental Quality, said Wednesday night that the administration has supported the scientific process in its approach to studying climate change. "We have in place the most transparent system of science reporting, and claims that the administration interfered with scientists are false," Hellmer said. "Our focus is on taking action and making real progress in reducing greenhouse gas emissions. The nearly $2 billion worth of climate science we publish annually leads the world and speaks for itself." Carbon dioxide and other gases primarily from fossil fuel-burning that scientists say trap heat in the atmosphere have warmed the Earth's surface an average 1 degree over the past century. The White House has committed to reducing the "intensity" of U.S. carbon pollution, a measure of the amount of carbon dioxide emitted per unit of economic growth. But the total U.S. emissions, now more than 7 billion tons a year, are projected to rise 14 percent from 2002 to 2012. In February, House Science Chairman Sherwood Boehlert, R-N.Y., and other congressional leaders asked NASA to guarantee scientific openness. They complained that a public affairs officer changed or filtered information on global warming and the Big Bang. The officer, George Deutsch, a political appointee, had resigned after being accused of trying to limit reporters' access to James Hansen, a prominent NASA climate scientist, and insisting that a Web designer insert the word "theory" with any mention of the Big Bang. A report last month in the scientific journal Nature claimed administrators at the Commerce Department's National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration blocked the release of a report that linked hurricane strength and frequency to global warming. Hansen had said in February that NOAA has tried to prevent researchers working on global climate change from speaking freely about their work. NOAA has denied the allegations, saying its work is not politically motivated.
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Post by marklookingup on Nov 2, 2006 17:51:57 GMT -5
"NOAA has denied the allegations, saying its work is not politically motivated."
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Who gives a shit what NOAA admits or denies--they're in it up to their scalps.
We are getting rain and more rain since late last night. The satelite images that were shown on the news have got to be doctored. The images from yesterday had no relevance to what was actually overhead. It was a deliberate assault on our skies.
Reports from CTC indicate that the Pac. NW. was not the only place getting saturated. Where, in God's name, are all these planes coming from?
It was like a bad dream. We were walking around in a daze, trying to comprehend the whole scenario. It put me in overload.
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Post by altitudelou on Nov 2, 2006 18:11:15 GMT -5
Yeah right, I can't imagine that the White House would try to influence agencies like NOAA, NASA or the EPA in any way to conform with their preconceived Right Wingnut ideas and agenda for dealing with Global Warming so that it does not interfere with their overall policies of greed and corruption.
What a bunch of A-Holes those Republican Cretan, reptile, scumbags are, I'm thoroughly enjoying watching them squirm in this mid-term election, they are really desperate to avoid the big issue, that being Iraq and Bush's pathological lies.
Sorry, I got off topic a bit.
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Post by altitudelou on Nov 2, 2006 22:32:22 GMT -5
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Post by altitudelou on Nov 14, 2006 21:52:12 GMT -5
www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/11/13/tech/main2177381.shtmlU.S. In Greenhouse Doghouse Environmental Group Says United States Among Worst In Climate Change Efforts; Sweden Tops List ( Wow, is this a big shocking surprise to anyone that the United States is draging there feet on Climate Change Efforts ? )
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Post by altitudelou on Nov 22, 2006 17:41:11 GMT -5
Tell it like it is article. ___________________ Stubbornly pursuing a course that is destroying the planet www.altpr.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=682By Peter Montague We are living in a world that is essentially new. Almost everything has changed in the past 50 years. Perhaps we are trying to understand this new world using habits of thought from the old world. Maybe that is why things seem so confusing. Let's consider some of the ways the world has changed since 1950. In the largest sense, here is the big change of the past 50 years: For aeons, there was a shortage of people and an abundance of nature. We set up all our institutions (churches, corporations, governments, laws, courts, media, schools) to encourage population growth and economic growth (the accumulation of capital assets -- farms, factories, highways, ports, power plants, and so on). Now we find ourselves with a shortage of nature, a superabundance of people, and a glut of capital assets -- more than we know what to do with, really. Because of this fundamental shift, almost everything is different now than it was 50 years ago. But our institutions, our language, and our mental tools have not changed. As a result, we are stubbornly pursuing a course that is wrecking the future. cont,....http://www.altpr.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=682
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Post by altitudelou on Nov 23, 2006 17:23:33 GMT -5
Taken From The Conway Daily Sun, Conway, New Hampshire. 11/23/2006 mountwashingtonvalley.com/CDS_Subscriber/LocalNewsSUB.lasso?-database=WWW_CDS_Article&-layout=WEB&-response=Story.lasso&-recordID=12632522&-search"You can tell the weather is out of kilter" ________________________________ Mount Washington logs record high temp — at midnight David Carkhuff CONWAY—Never mind a new federal forecast that predicts another warm winter in the Northeast: It's easy to tell the weather is out of kilter when Mount Washington — home of the world's worst weather and a place afflicted with sub-zero temperatures — sets a record high temperature at midnight in mid-November. "We had record high temperatures on both the 16th and the 17th," said Neil Lareau, weather observer in the Mount Washington Observatory at the 6,288-foot summit. "It's pretty unusual that both records were set around midnight on both days; it happened in the middle of the night." In the record books, Mount Washington set a new high temperature of 49 degrees on Thursday, Nov. 16, breaking the old record of 47 set in 1987. Then, as the same warm spell dragged into the next day, the mountain set a new record for Nov. 17 — 49 degrees surpassed the old record of 41 degrees set on that date in 1996 and 2002. A week earlier, the summit had broken a record high temperature on Sunday, Nov. 12, logging a high of 44 degrees, beating the record of 43 degrees set on that date both in 1935 and 1982. But the midnight warm spell was an unusual phenomenon. "Usually you're not going to set record high temperatures at night," Lareau noted. "But that's when the strongest winds came in." The warm batch of air contributed to a melt-off of most of the summit's snowpack. "Basically we had accumulated 50 inches of snow so far this season, and all of it has melted," Lareau reported Tuesday. "There are a couple little patches of snow and some rime ice around, but nothing very significant." Lareau stressed that outdoor enthusiasts should exercise all of the usual caution when exploring Mount Washington. It's still an extremely dangerous and unpredictable place. Ravines still contain 10-foot snow drifts and treacherous layers of ice. "It's still winterlike conditions. People need to be aware of things like falling ice and small avalanches," Lareau said. Don't look for the weather to track with historic patterns. The 2006-2007 winter season is expected to bring warmer-than-average temperatures, forecasters say. On Nov. 16, meteorologists at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration Climate Prediction Center released the latest U.S. seasonal outlook and predicted that this winter is likely to be warmer than the 30-year norm (1971-2000) over much of the nation, yet cooler than last year's very warm winter season. NOAA's heating degree day forecast for December, January and February projected a 2 percent warmer winter than the 30-year average but about 9 percent cooler than last year. Overall, National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration seasonal forecasters expect warmer than average temperatures across the Northeast, as well as the Pacific Northwest, the northern and central plains, the Midwest, northern mid-Atlantic and most of Alaska from December 2006 through February 2007, the agency announced. "The prediction for a warmer-than-normal winter season does not mean we won't have winter weather," said Mike Halpert, lead seasonal forecaster at the NOAA Climate Prediction Center. "What it does mean is that on average this will be a milder than average winter across much of the North, with fewer arctic air outbreaks." Initially, Attitash in Bartlett and Bretton Woods Mountain Resort cautiously projected their openings for Friday, Nov. 24, but then revised those dates. Attitash plans to open Friday, Dec. 1. Bretton Woods aims to open its learning center slope on Friday, as of Wednesday's postings on their Web sites (refer to http://www.skinh.com). Wildcat Mountain in Pinkham Notch projected a Dec. 2 opening and Cranmore Mountain, Dec. 9. "With great temps last night, we were able to crank out the snow on Tightrope, Moat, and Grandstand!" Attitash reported on Nov. 21, referring to its snowmaking apparatus. Wildcat Mountain reported on Tuesday: "Natural snow storm, mechanical snow storm . . . we'll take it any way we can get it! Wildcat's snow-making team is assembled and hard at work cranking it out on the slopes of the Cat. The snow guns are firing up tonight on the Lower Catapult and Alley Cat trails! Mother Nature is giving us night temps cool enough for blowing snow, but she's not giving us the round-the-clock action we really need!" King Pine in Madison plans to open Dec. 15, and Black Mountain in Jackson hopes for a mid-December start. Ski areas emphasize that the public should confirm opening dates due to uncertainty with the weather. In Conway, November's average temperature came in at 43.5 degrees as calculated through Nov. 21. A high of 65.2 degrees was logged on Nov. 9, and a month's low of 21.7 on Nov. 21. In the period of 1959 to 2003, the warmest average temperature on record for any November in Conway was 40.9 degrees set in 1999; the coldest average temperature for November was 31.1 degrees set in 1967, according to information from local weather observer Briggs Bunker. This month, the warmest daily average temperature was 60.6 degrees on Nov. 17; the lowest daily average temperature came in at 29.2 degrees on Nov. 21. The high temperature was 64.3 degrees, recorded at 6:30 a.m. on Nov. 17, and the second-highest was 63.9 degrees at midnight on Nov. 16. The 47-year average temperature in November is 36 degrees, well below this year's month-to-date average of 43.5 degrees. The lowest average temperature for any November on record is 31.1 degrees set in 1967, Bunker reported. The highest level of snowfall was 25 inches recorded in November 1968; the lowest was no snow in November 1973, Bunker reported. Average snowfall in November is 6.2 inches in Conway; this year only a trace has fallen. National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration was vague about snowfall forecasts, calling for "equal chances of drier, wetter or near average precipitation" this winter. Buffeted by rain, the Northeast region was second wettest on record for the January-October 2006 period, according to the NOAA Satellite and Information Service. The combination of a cooler-than-average September and October dropped the year-to-date national temperature from record warmest to third warmest for the January-October 2006 period. The record warmest January-October occurred in 1934. Temperatures in October 2006 were below average across 24 states concentrated from the Rocky Mountains to the Great Lakes and into the Northeast, while above-average temperatures occurred in only two states — Texas and New Hampshire, the service reported. Maine sustained its second wettest October on record, according to the Satellite and Information Service. Ski area operators can take solace in the fact that weather forecaster WSI told Reuters that the Northeast, the world's largest heating oil market, will have a colder than normal winter — contradicting the federal government's forecast.
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Post by altitudelou on Dec 6, 2006 21:57:39 GMT -5
Warmed-Up Oceans Reduce Key Food Link Wednesday, December 6, 2006 7:23 PM EST The Associated Press
By SETH BORENSTEIN
WASHINGTON (AP) — In a "sneak peak" revealing a grim side effect of future warmer seas, new NASA satellite data find that the vital base of the ocean food web shrinks when the world's seas get hotter. And that discovery has scientists worried about how much food marine life will have as global warming progresses.
The data show a significant link between warmer water — either from the El Nino weather phenomenon or global warming — and reduced production of phytoplankton of the world's oceans, according to a study in Thursday's journal Nature.
Phytoplankton are the microscopic plant life that zooplankton and other marine animals eat, essentially the grain crop of the world's oceans.
Study lead author Michael Behrenfeld, a biological oceanographer at Oregon State University, said Wednesday that the recent dramatic drop in phytoplankton production in much of the world's oceans is a "sneak peak of how ocean biology" will respond later in the century with global warming.
"Everything else up the food web is going to be impacted," said oceanographer Scott Doney of the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institute. He was not involved in the study.
"What's worrisome is that small changes that happen in the bottom of the food web can have dramatic changes to certain species at higher spots on the food chain," Doney said.
This is yet another recent scientific study with real-time data showing the much predicted harmful effects of global warming are not just coming, but in some cases are already here and can be tallied scientifically, researchers said.
A satellite commissioned by NASA tracked water temperature and the production of phytoplankton from 1997 to 2006, finding that for most of the world's oceans when one went up the other went down and vice versa, Behrenfeld said.
As water temperatures increased from 1999 to 2004, the crop of phytoplankton dropped significantly, about 200 million tons a year. On average about 50 billion tons of phytoplankton are produced yearly, Behrenfeld said.
During that time, some ocean regions, especially around the equator in the Pacific, saw as much as a 50 percent drop in phytoplankton production, he said.
However, the satellite first started taking measurements in 1997 when water temperatures were at their warmest due to El Nino. That's the regular cyclical warming of part of the Pacific Ocean that affects climate worldwide.
After that year, the ocean significantly cooled until 1999 and the phytoplankton crop soared by 2 billion tons during those two years.
"The results are showing this very tight coupling between production and climate," Behrenfeld said.
As less food is produced by phytoplankton the oceans get bluer in color, he noted.
Phytoplankton, which turn sunlight into food, need nutrients such as nitrogen, phosphates and iron from colder water below, Behrenfeld said. With warmer surface water, it is harder for the phytoplankton to get those nutrients.
Other oceanographers agree with the El Nino link but said that with only a decade of data it is harder to make global warming connections.
"It's something you certainly can't ignore, because its potential is quite significant," said the Woods Hole Institute's James Yoder. "But there are some caveats because of the shortness of the record."
Behrenfeld said his study verifies the physical mechanism — how phytoplankton react to warm water — that has been predicted in computer models, thus verifying dire warnings.
Another worry is that with reduced phytoplankton, the world's oceans will suck up less carbon dioxide, increasing the Earth's chief global warming gas, said NASA ocean biology project manager Paula Bontempi. That's because phytoplankton take carbon dioxide out of the atmosphere in making food.
This is at least the third significant peer-reviewed research paper in the past six months showing that long-anticipated global warming biological side effects are already happening. Other studies looked at global warming connections to wildfires and die-offs of plant and animal species.
"What you're looking at is almost an avalanche of each individual effect," said Stanford University biological sciences professor Stephen Schneider. "As it gets warmer and as we measure more things, the evidence accumulates."
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Post by altitudelou on Dec 13, 2006 16:44:46 GMT -5
2006 shaping up to be another record hot year for planet earth / weather changing globally ______________________________________________________________________ today.reuters.com/news/ArticleNews.aspx?type=scienceNews&storyID=2006-12-12T190740Z_01_L1218867_RTRUKOC_0_US-CLIMATE-WARMTH.xmlFake snow in Alps, Moscow blooms: green Christmas? Tue Dec 12, 2006 1:25pm ET ...Snip.... "GENEVA, Dec 12 (Reuters - Alpine ski resorts are churning out artificial snow, daisies are flowering by the Kremlin in Moscow and retailers are fretting that Europeans are simply too warm to go Christmas shopping with a record mild winter. Butterflies have been seen in Denmark, some Nordic golf courses -- usually frozen for the winter -- have reopened and many farmers worry that crops are sprouting far too early and could be killed by frost. One historian says that Europe has just had its warmest autumn in 500 years. Experts say the mildness might be just a natural freak but many suspect it may be linked to greenhouse gases caused by human burning of fossil fuels." Cont.
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Post by KNOWTHIS on Dec 14, 2006 18:29:51 GMT -5
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Post by altitudelou on Dec 14, 2006 21:47:13 GMT -5
2040 ?
The way it's melting right now I wouldn't be surprised to see all go within 10 to 15 years.
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Post by BigBunny on Dec 15, 2006 6:34:57 GMT -5
I think you're being optimistic Lou - I give it 10 years. The reason why is that as the permafrost in the lower latitudes melts the release of methane and other gases is likely to be catastrophic on the immediate environs, Arctic included. I suppose the real issue is when the Arctic will return to normal and, secondly, what effect will there be on the global ocean currents as a result?
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Post by altitudelou on Dec 15, 2006 12:08:22 GMT -5
LOL, optimistic? / not as optimistic as those that are predicting total loss by 2040, now that's optimistic.
LOL, optimistic? / not as optimistic as those that are predicting total loss by 2040, now that's optimistic.
I agree with you on recovery but first we are going to have to face and live or die with the reality of the loss and it's effects, I say, "One world crises of biblical proportions at a time is enough to deal with", why rush it"?
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Post by Mech on Dec 15, 2006 20:23:09 GMT -5
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