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Post by mmmmbarium on Sept 12, 2006 22:19:46 GMT -5
WTF? So do it in the states, so you can cover it up since the Govt controls the media.?
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Post by chickenlittle on Sept 13, 2006 7:37:33 GMT -5
You know I dont know all the thechnical stuff involved with this conversation but I think that mmmmm is onto something,what she wrote asbout the health problems is what REALLY got my attention obviously she and my family live in different areas she lives in a much nigger city than I,but these health issues are uncanny that they are so similar and that alone is what grabbed my attention. Here where I live it is an understood fact by most citizens that the military are busy bees here. Up in the foothills of the Olympic mountains out by the coast,etc.everyone knows they are running drills all the time and in these areas that used to be recreational areas the general public is no longer allowed and for what? I don't know all the facts but I will be very interested in what you find out as I have experienced some very strange incidents myself. good work mmmmmmmm I will be reading with interest as always on Gastronamus site! hope you fell better soon, chicky
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Post by altitudelou on Sept 13, 2006 20:16:07 GMT -5
mmmmbarium, see inserts.
>Of course not, I would never do that. I Always like to hear Alternative Ideas or arguments. And everything >you mentioned I can agree with.
Thanks for that, usually when I offer an opinion that does not fit right into someone's view of a government conspiracy I am criticized for not believing or having my eyes closed or even being a debunker, none of which is true but I do like to approach a subject such as this with a degree of common sense and basic knowledge of the topic.
I've been around radio technology for the better part of forty years and I do not consider myself an expert by any means, the technology is constantly changing, evolving, even as you use it and it's difficult at best to keep up with the cutting edge stuff, not to mention cost prohibitive with a great deal of it.
Working with any radio, transmitters and variations of radio equipment designed for frequency modulation and transmission can be a mind numbing experience, it requires much study and ongoing education to maintain even a small base radio station, therefor I know something (A little) of what is required and involved with regard to cell phone transmission technology.
>That makes sense. But my question is this. Why All the sudden are these things popping up everywhere? Or, >did I not notice them until lately? Well, not likely because I've been keeping an eye out for out-of-the-norm >things ever since all these video Cameras starting showing up in intersections a few years ago. I did say now >that I'm looking for them , I see them everywhere. But I'm confident that these are fairly new.
No worries, your not going crazy, you have to consider where it is that your seeing the transmitters, a largely populated area, I would think that the service providers are having a bit of a "consumer war" going on and they are just pushing more and more service to the consumers while trying to keep up on the hardware end themselves, no doubt some of these service providers have every penny that they could get hold of tied up in some of the technology that you are seeing poping up everywhere around you.
If they don't make enough money to pay the loans they have on the hardware then they might go bankrupt at worst or be forced to sell out to another service provider, it's a pretty dog eat dog business these service providers are in and the compitition is fierce.
>Is it possible that the Govt has de-regulated alot of the restrictions on placement of these transmitters and >providers are going crazy putting them up everywhere? Possible.
You would have to visit the FCC site and do some research into the regulation side of the cell industry, if you have a spare ten years or so to wade through the endless pages of regulations and revisions, etc, then you might find what your looking for, otherwise it's a nightmare of a site, I've spent several hours before trying to find just one item on "set marine radio frequencies" for a specific region and it was pure hell, I would not recommend that anyone search the FCC site if they are looking for help, they are anything but helpful.
You would have much better luck checking with individual States with regard to regulations and any deregulation for cell phone transmitter placement, California must have a communication commission that you can access for that information.
States more than the federal government control and regulate their own communications systems.
>Is it a coincidence that cell phones operate near or at the same frequency as the human brain? And all of the >sudden the Govt. started de-regulating all these restrictions?
I can't say whether or not it's a coincidence, years ago the Russian scientist who's name eludes me right now, that was working with low resonance radio frequencies did so to avoid higher frequency bleeding / loss of signal, it could be the coincidence is that's just the way the technology evolved from the start with no regard to what effect it might have long term on human health. ( We only seem to care after the fact that we have created something unhealthy.)
I didn't realize there were so many cellular service providers out there?
Yes, hundreds of thousands worldwide, many of which you will never hear about but they are there, part and parcle of groups of service providers bundled together under one company name like Verison, which without the many smaller providers working for them Verison would not exist, in fact, none of the big name cell phone company's could exist without the smaller service providers. ( Monopoly's are made when you can own all the other guy's.) >I can agree with that.
>Usually I like to research more into a subject before I get all worked up like this. Now That I have information >as to who erected these Towers, I can do some digging.
Oh, it's going to be a long dig for you, this cell phone hystory is some long and twisted. >I get the feeling the more I dig, the more questions will be raised as to the who what why where when etc. >Instead of getting clear answers.
Well, I can say the more that you research the more you will be able to see how this industry has progressed to it's current state of being, that said, from what I know it's a very convoluted series of systems.
>But I bring forth these questions. And Hopefully I can find answers for them.
I'm confident that you will find some of the answers that your looking for.
>Why have people, (and its not just swampgas thats told me this) seen plain clothes individuals erecting these >Towers? If a large company is doing the job, then you think they would have a marked truck, or uniforms, or at >least something.
Ah, good question, I asked the very same thing of some guy's that were working on our TV cable when it was first being put into our area, they obviously were not with Adelphia, different types of trucks, no logo's, etc,...I asked them what was up with them working on the Adelphia lines and they were real nice, told me that they were sub-contractors hired to do the work by Adelphia because "Adelphia" did not have enough equipment or personnel to run the lines themselves and that they often hired sub-contractors to do the work.
So, this could be the case with the cell phone tower workers also, given that they might very well be in need of trained extra workers it's quite possible that they are hiring sub-contractors to keep up with the work load, or it could be the FBI, CIA, NSA-MIB's or some other Government alphabet soup agency doing their nefarious, no good deeds against the American people, God, I better check my TV cable lines now that I think of it.
>Why are the towers only in Residential or near Residential areas and freeways? Why not on the outskirts of >Towns? Are they needed to be that close for reception?
Obviously because they want to provide the bulk of their service to the large population areas / city's, as opposed to the lesser populated areas, they make most of there money in providing service to city's, not hayseeds like myself out in the sticks, as I said before, most of the towers that I see are near city's or in areas between them, there are far fewer out in the rural country areas.
>Why are so many of these smaller devices on State/city owned property? If the restrictions are tougher on >state/city property then private, then why are they equally as numerous on both city vs. private?
Again, that goes to supply and demand and up until about five or six years ago the cell phone company's were not that interested in renting space for their transmitters, but with the new laws allowing more company's to inter into the market that drove competition to the fever pitch we see today, thus more equipment has been spread out over a wider area of both States and locally rented properties.
>Do these Towers look like conventional cell Phone Towers? Can Someone post pictures of Actual cell phone >Towers? In case I'm confused.
>Someone that sold cell phones told me when the company that hired him was training him, they showed him >Cell towers that looked nothing like these?
The concept of a cell phone transmitter tower has changed since the big finger sticking up out of the ground that we are all familiar with, today they can range from that old style with three transmitters on them to steel towers as high as electrical high tension towers, hell, I just read an article the other day in which someone described seeing a bunch cell phone transmitters on an old telephone pole in Albuquerque, New Mexico right by the university, how odd that we should be discussing the subject now.
>Even if these Towers and smaller devices are not built intentionally to control/manipulate our minds, could it >be that they don't have to be? That maybe they know that electromagnetic/RF pollution from cell phones will >be detrimental to our health and will make us lazy, or lethargic, or dumb??
Ha, Ha, Ha, since when did we need cell phones to make us lazy, lethargic, or dumb?
I think the very point is that they don't care if the RF pollution is harmful or not as long as the money is flowing into their bank accounts.
I agree that they have no doubt added to our overall dumbing down as a society but what's really killing us is our own decadent, politically correct elitist attitudes compounded by our apathetic and wholly ignorant natures in general, America is sleeping and we are not allowed to wake her, at least that's what our Right Wingnut Neo-Con-Artist Republican reptile politicians tell us, if we don't get rid of them, we might as well join those who are already sleeping because our future looks pretty dim.
Scientist say that when a tree dies from the top down that's a sure sign that the environment is polluted, does that hold true with government's as well,........... I think so.
Hopefully when I post this it will go in without screwing up, sometimes when I try to add inserts the text changes position, if it does so, I apologize for it.
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Post by mmmmbarium on Sept 13, 2006 20:34:06 GMT -5
Excellent reply altitudelou. Very interesting stuff you mentioned.
Although my intuition told me that those "contrails" in the sky didn't seem right. And it ended being right.
My intuition is telling me again something isn't right, and I cant shake that feeling. So I'll have to do my homework and see where it leads me.
altitudelou, do you know if, or how has the technology has changed to transmit RF frequencies for cell phones? Do the Devices just look different then the old ones.? Or has the actual hardware that does the transmitting changed?
Mind Control Conspiracies aside. altitudelou, do you believe that cell phones are not good for you over a long period of time? That having an enormous amount of transmitters/towers in small area could have a negative health effect on the population?
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Post by mmmmbarium on Sept 13, 2006 20:52:21 GMT -5
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Post by mmmmbarium on Sept 13, 2006 21:49:23 GMT -5
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Post by altitudelou on Sept 13, 2006 22:00:51 GMT -5
mmmbarium wrote,
"Excellent reply altitudelou. Very interesting stuff you mentioned." _______________________________________________________
Well, thanks, I don't want to come off as some "Know it all", I'm interested in this thread and I think I can add something to it if you can put up with an old guy. _______________________________________________________
"Although my intuition told me that those "contrails" in the sky didn't seem right. And it ended being right." _______________________________________________________
Yes, we should all listen to that little voice deep inside us, if we did so more often I think there would be far less problmes in the world. ___________________________________________
"My intuition is telling me again something isn't right, and I cant shake that feeling. So I'll have to do my homework and see where it leads me." ________________________________________________________
You know, your not wrong in your thinking, those things (Cell Phones) are just not good for any living thing to be subjected too, small amounts of RF will do nothing harmfull to living organisms, we had RF around for many years and the only thing we did was tell the universe "Here We Are" by beaming our radio frequencies out into space in all directions, if "They" did not know that we were here before that, they surely did after.
Anyway, then came the proverbial bigger and better technology, microwaves and digital RF modulation that was and still is amplified beyond safe operating limits, and of course it's harmfull, duct tape a cell phone to an egg and call that phone, leave the line open for sixty five minutes and you will have a hard boiled egg, check the link,........http://www.sploid.com/news/2006/07/phonepoached_eg.php ____________________________________________
"altitudelou, do you know if, or how has the technology has changed to transmit RF frequencies for cell phones? Do the Devices just look different then the old ones.? Or has the actual hardware that does the transmitting changed?" _________________________________________________________
Do you mean the transmitter technology or the cell phone technology in general?
As I mentioned before, both the industry and the technology is constantly changing, evolving, the biggest change in technology has been the conversion from microwave over to digital RF but microwave is still a very big part of this worlds communication systems, the digital RF is far more favorable for mass communication as billions of bits of information can now be transmitted simultaneously thanks to the microprocessor, cell phone signals can now be sent to satellites and piggybacked through other satellites and sent to the far side of the planet in less time than it once took to dial a number on an old rotary type phone.
The technology is cutting edge but I fear there is definitely a price that we will pay for indulging in far to much RF radiation, cancer, tumor, retardation perhaps, I feel that cell phones are very dangerous when one uses them constantly, So much so, that's why neither I or S.T.Brandt will own one. ____________________________________________
"Mind Control Conspiracies aside. altitudelou, do you believe that cell phones are not good for you over a long period of time? That having an enormous amount of transmitters/towers in small area could have a negative health effect on the population?" _________________________________________________________
As above, yes I believe that the technology is very dangerous "over any period of time" and I also believe that because of so much RF radiation being condensed into concentrated areas such as big city's, yes, of course there is going to be a very negative effect on those living there.
Going back to an FDA report back in 1999, they stated and recommended the following.
Food & Drug Administration on Cell Phone Safety (Evidence on possible health risks inconclusive) (2540)
Every year, the numbers of people using cellular telephones increases by the millions. The convenience of these devices is indisputable, but their safety remains inconclusive. The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) reports, "the available scientific evidence does not allow us to conclude that mobile phones are absolutely safe, or that they are unsafe."
In "Consumer Update on Mobile Phones," the FDA summarizes the research on the health effects of the devices in a document issued on October 20 entitled, "Consumer Update on Mobile Phones."
The potential risk of a mobile phone comes from its emission of low levels of radiofrequency radiation (RF), the same type of energy that comes off a microwave oven. The RF pulses off the device's antenna right next to the user's head, and that proximity to the brain is what concerns some researchers.
The FDA says the research in this field is conflicting, but points up two findings that merit further examination. One study showed an association between mobile phone use and one rare type of brain cancer, but the FDA report also underscores that the finding could have been chance. A second study suggests that cell phone radiation may have some effect on an individual's genetic material.
None of the data warrant intervention by the FDA, the consumer update says, but the agency is pursuing further action. It is urging the mobile phone industry to conduct further research; design phones to minimize RF exposure to the user; and keep the public informed about health issues surrounding the use of these devices.
Despite its cautions about the inconclusive nature of any findings about health risks, the FDA does offer some suggestions to cell-phone using consumers: don't hold prolonged conversations on the mobile phone; use a phone design that moves the antenna away from the head. __________________________________________________ Of course we know that the the govenment caved in to the wants of the cell phone industry long ago, the cell phone giants don't have a billion dollar lobby for nothing. Oh my, I see your finding out a little about service providers and transmission towers, keep digging, it gets even scarier.
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Post by mmmmbarium on Sept 13, 2006 22:03:17 GMT -5
These are pictures I took TodayThese look like the cutting edge's of a hedge trimmer. If these arent directed at people driving, then I must be crazy. [g] Honestly, I would not Lie to the good people here on Gastro, nor to anyone else. But I have been having some serious health problems the past few years. Sometimes I get this real high pitched frequency noise in my ears. Sometimes its overwhelming its so loud. I've had my hearing checked, been to the doctor, had blood drawn, MRI. I've been having this muscle twitching/spasms all over my body especially in my eyelid. All kinds of weird health issues. Anyways. I think something really bad is going on here. I've learned alot of Horrifying things over the past 4 years, and I'm usually pretty easy going about it. But this has me really wound up. hi mmmbarium very interesting photos. am wondering if the things attached to the sign in above pic could be cameras? Hope your health takes a turn for the better. Maybe the muscles spasms have to do with low potassium levels? You mention tthe twitching eyelid, i had that too, for about a year it would come and go. in my case it turned out to be a early sign of Bells Palsy which kicked in when I was laid out with a bad chest cold. Sorry Greenman, I totally missed your reply, my bad. Thank you I hope it does too. Thats possible. Did you take Potassium for it? Whoa, whats Bells Palsy? I dont like the sound of that.
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Post by altitudelou on Sept 13, 2006 22:13:43 GMT -5
I think you will find that same kind of mass clustering of transmission towers throughout the U.S., all city's will have nearly the same patterns as you see in that San Francisco Bay area map.
Looking at that map it's obvious where they want to put the bulk of their transmitters.
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Post by altitudelou on Sept 13, 2006 22:26:49 GMT -5
Secretary Michael Wynne says nonlethal weapons should be tested on U.S. civilians before being used on the battlefield.Secretary Michael Wynne says nonlethal weapons should be tested on U.S. civilians before being used on the battlefield.
Yeah, right.
Ok, lets start the testing with Mr. Secretary Michael Wynne's name right at the top of the test on first list, I'm sure the A-Hole wouldn't mind being the first guinea pig in line for a non-lethal jolt.
Where do these freaking people come from ?
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Post by mmmmbarium on Sept 13, 2006 22:27:25 GMT -5
I think you will find that same kind of mass clustering of transmission towers throughout the U.S., all city's will have nearly the same patterns as you see in that San Francisco Bay area map. Looking at that map it's obvious where they want to put the bulk of their transmitters. They are trying to cluster them near the coast? Why would they do that?
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Post by mmmmbarium on Sept 13, 2006 22:30:48 GMT -5
Secretary Michael Wynne says nonlethal weapons should be tested on U.S. civilians before being used on the battlefield.Secretary Michael Wynne says nonlethal weapons should be tested on U.S. civilians before being used on the battlefield. Yeah, right. Ok, lets start the testing with Mr. Secretary Michael Wynne's name right at the top of the test on first list, I'm sure the A-Hole wouldn't mind being the first guinea pig in line for a non-lethal jolt. Where do these freaking people come from ? Check out this Documentary. Ecpecially the part where they are testing one of the microwave devices on volunteers. Watch How Myers and Rummy respond to a question by a reporter asking if Star Wars weapons are being used in Iraq. Liars!! video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8361811662480560988&q=stars+wars+weapons+Iraq
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Post by mmmmbarium on Sept 13, 2006 22:44:48 GMT -5
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Post by altitudelou on Sept 14, 2006 14:17:50 GMT -5
mmmmbarium wrote,
"They are trying to cluster them near the coast? Why would they do that?" __________________________________
Hi mmmmbarium,
I'm playing catch up here, so bear with me.
Look at the maps, their not trying to cluster them near the coast as much as they are clustering them in the large population areas.
The coast of the U.S. left and right, support millions of people living on or near them, that's why your seeing so many cell phone transmitters packed into these areas.
If you look inland you will also see much the same patterns in and around the major city's, the cell phone company's have one equation that they follow,..... More people + more transmitters = more customers = more money.
In the end, it's all about the money.
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Post by altitudelou on Sept 14, 2006 14:37:22 GMT -5
mmmmbarium wrote,
"Check out this Documentary. Especially the part where they are testing one of the microwave devices on volunteers."
""Watch How Myers and Rummy respond to a question by a reporter asking if Star Wars weapons are being used in Iraq. Liars!!"" _______________________________________
I can not take the time to watch that Documentary right now but I will do it later for sure, as far as Myers and Rummy go, as I see it, they are both part of our problem's and never will be part of the solution's that we need to find that get us away from the war mongering mind set that's hanging over this country like a storm cloud.
G.W. Dim Bulb Bush can not spell "Diplomacy" so it follows that he has no understanding of it's definition or how it could be of use to us_They all have to go !
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Post by greenman on Sept 14, 2006 16:59:05 GMT -5
hi mmmbarium very interesting photos. am wondering if the things attached to the sign in above pic could be cameras? Hope your health takes a turn for the better. Maybe the muscles spasms have to do with low potassium levels? You mention tthe twitching eyelid, i had that too, for about a year it would come and go. in my case it turned out to be a early sign of Bells Palsy which kicked in when I was laid out with a bad chest cold. Sorry Greenman, I totally missed your reply, my bad. Thank you I hope it does too. Thats possible. Did you take Potassium for it? Whoa, whats Bells Palsy? I dont like the sound of that. Bells Palsy is a temporary condition, partial facial paralysis. Not very fun, but nothing too serious. www.bellspalsy.ws/not trying to scare you though, chances are good the eye twitch thing is nothing to worry about, an irritating nuisance but will go away by itself. I don't take potassium supplements, but i've read that low potassium can cause muscle problems, weakness & spasms. But taking too much potassium can be unhealthy too. May be something to ask the doc about it if the muscle spasms persist
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Post by socrates on Sept 14, 2006 18:34:05 GMT -5
I agree with Lou's approach to this topic. Sorry to repeat what I posted earlier, but I see the health effects from these cell towers as being quite appropriate for this section, but that the mind control stuff should be in the conspiracy section. Part of the problem we are having in getting more Paul Moyer type reports out to the masses is because this whole "chemtrail" thing is viewed by most as being part of that zany conspiracy internet stuff. I'm not gonna debunk like a dork and say you are crazy and have fallen for a hoax, becuase they could be for mind control crap. I doubt it myself and believe that there are much more credible theories, documents, and photographs/videos concerning "chemtrails".
The psy-op debunker wishes to confuse anyone who looks into this but isn't as obviously interested anywhere as much as any of us are. So we see all this crap being distributed on the net making the whole topic look like loony tunesville.
One interesting discussion I see going on at Megasprayer is over which ingredients make up the sky muckstew. Is it sulphur? Is it barium? I think they are spraying mostly sulphur and metal particulates in order to screen the earth, whether for protection from uv rays or global warming, or for both.
I also somewhat see how exotic military activities with the chaff and barium could be tested on and that some of the trails are about that. I think though that the ozone/global warming theories make the most sense. I think the fake grey/white skies produced from aircraft are being manufactured in the pursuit of geo-engineering goals. Where's the accountability? Where's the Democracy when it's all so covert yet ironically is right in front of our faces.
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Post by mmmmbarium on Sept 14, 2006 20:48:47 GMT -5
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Post by mmmmbarium on Sept 14, 2006 21:15:42 GMT -5
Thanks for the info Greenman Socrates: I agree I may have placed this in the wrong section. It may be possible that when cell phones starting coming out, the Govt went, perfect, let the fools develop this technology, its exactly what we were going to develop for our mind control project. I don't think its far fetched to think that ever since man began to discover how the brain works, that there were those that wanted to know how to control it. Its possible that they don't need to install "mind controlling hardware" within these towers. Because all they need is what is already in place. So they de-regulate the restrictions on placement of these Towers and Devices. I don't want to sound like a broken record, but I cant stress the sheer amount of these devices being installed in my city. It amazes me that almost every other day or week, there is a new device along side the freeway or on a building. On a stretch of road I have been driving on for years. Ok so maybe the Towers and the similar looking devices aren't for "mind control". But what about these things? They seem awe fully suspicious. At any rate I do believe HAARP is part of a mind control program in a multi-faceted operation. Either Two things are creating the Scalar Rippling within these Chem Clouds. HAARP, or Electromagnetic energy from Cell Towers.
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Post by mmmmbarium on Sept 14, 2006 21:39:40 GMT -5
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Post by socrates on Sept 14, 2006 21:57:15 GMT -5
"...I don't think it's far fetched to think that ever since man began to discover how the brain works, that there were those that wanted to know how to control it..." posted by mmmmbarium
I was big into reading books on the roots of fascism. Marcuse's One-Dimensional Man, Fromm's The Anatomy of Human Destructiveness, Paulo Freire's Pedagogy of the Oppressed, Reich's Mass Psychology of Fascism.... 1984 the movie influenced me. Reich said "it is the psychology of the masses which form the bedrock of totalitarianism", and Fromm was behind the saying that man is merely a cog in the vast machine of automation or something close to that.
"They" have been walking a tightrope since we went from feudalism to monarchies. Once the enlightenment and Wars for Democracy took place the machine has had to balance the appearance of superficial freedoms with their outright, fascist tendencies and war mongering.
One needn't be into conspiracy theory to easily argue the fascistic nature of social reality. This is why we rarely see academics on tv news shows. A lot of them know too much.
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Post by altitudelou on Sept 15, 2006 17:26:46 GMT -5
Yes, ever since the end of the first world war there was a big push by the superpowers of that era to engage in mind control techniques which were implemented and widely used in the second world war and not just by the so called bad guy's.
The U.S. and it allies, Britain, France, Russia, etc, all employed forms of mind control to varying degrees, how successful they were at mind control is still not known because most of the mind control experiments are still classified to this day.
We know for a fact that the former Soviet Union during the cold war years invested heavily into new mind control research using microwaves, I think it can be safely assumed that the U.S. as well as other country's were doing the same thing not wanting the Soviet Union to gain superiority in that area of research.
I think it can be assumed as well that the research into mind control techniques did not stop back in the 60"s or 70's and it no doubt continues to date, the question is, do you think that this cell phone technology is part of it?
Personally I don't, given the tools that our government has at it's disposal to work with, things such as HAARP which we know can effect the mind of people over a large area and is the precise thing that they would want to achieve with such a program, I don't see them running a costly parallel program using cell phone transmitters which would be far more likely to be discovered.
I think they would stick to something just such as HAARP that they can keep closely guarded and compartmentalized yet still use on the masses and not fear detection of.
As I have stated, I think the cell phone transmitters issue that we have been discussing in this thread is one based in greed not some government plot to control our minds, the dangers of using cell phones should be obvious to everyone.
You know, if your head feels numb after talking on one for five minutes, it probably isn't good for you, I know that I can live without a cell phone, how about you, it's your choice.
With regard to HAARP and what they might be doing to our brains with that thing, I don't know what to say, hopefully when they decide to fire it up and blast an area the size of North Dakota we won't be in the line of fire.
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Post by mmmmbarium on Sept 15, 2006 19:52:15 GMT -5
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Post by mmmmbarium on Sept 15, 2006 20:08:51 GMT -5
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Post by halva on Sept 15, 2006 23:10:53 GMT -5
Here's an extract from Chris Haderer's Chemtrails book:
In the USA in the year 2000 there was a flu epidemic which according to the Centre for Disease Control was caused by ‘an unknown disease agent’. According to a report on influenza ‘from 6th May 2000, 11 out of 100 recently deceased people had died from a ‘flu-like disease’, but flu testing on 99 percent of the sick people proved negative,’ recalls Toni Thayer.15 The most frequent symptoms mentioned by witnesses following the appearance of the white trails were: a persistent dry cough, upper respiratory system and intestinal complaints, lung inflammations, extreme lassitude, lethargy, dizziness, disorientation, raging headaches, joint and muscle pains, nosebleeds, diarrhoea, bloody stool, depression, anxiety, weakening of the bladder, muscle spasms.’ And as if this catalogue of horrors were not enough, Thayer adds: ‘Old people, children and people weakened by illness as well as people in poor physical condition are the first to feel the effects of chemtrails.’ It is striking that many of the effects of chemtrails on health (for example fatigue, lethargy, headaches, etc.) are also to be observed in victims of mobile phones. Just as with microwave radiation from mobile phones, people react differently to exposure to chemtrail fallout. Apart from the individual’s ‘biological window’ (a term used in German and in this context synonymous with the general condition of his health) there are people whose immune system adapts immediately to the chemistry of the new environment, while others go under at the very first contact.
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Post by chickenlittle on Sept 19, 2006 10:22:53 GMT -5
I met a woman last night at the laundry mat she knows of chemtrails.It was a great conversation we had,she said a friend of hers died of cancer at age 50 or so and that she learned from her about them,the reason I am putting this here is because she told me a story about her and her husband having problems with their muscular skeletal frames(which is like rampant around here)seems everyone even healthy young people are pulling muscles or having muscles spasms regularly,as I myself too have experienced,It gave me goose bumps when her and I started talking and had so much in common,she said that her husband finally visited a natuapathic doctor and he told them that thier muscles were being starved.Why? I wonder if what they are doing or the geoengineering is causing potassium depletion,I don't know but I thought that you might find this interesting mmmmm that so many have the same symptoms and the feeling of waking in the morning and feeling as though someone had beaten us up. I personally even have one of those very good mattresses and I still feel this way in the morning,of course I have Bone disease,but I cant tell you how common this has become,perhaps electromagnetic waves affect the muscular part of the body also. We also got into the fact that our gardens were just horrible this year,everyone I speak with that has a garden we all have tomatoes that are just sitting there for weeks on end GREEN they wont ripen,but instead are just rotting on the vine. Now I would understand this if it had been a sunless summer but it has been the opposite nice and hot which tomatoes love. I am beggining to think that the trails are blocking a much needed nutrient from the sun,I may sound stupid but I don't care I know that you all here are very accomadating and never treat me like that, so that is why I decided to get your opinions on this.I know you guys know more about this than me and I wonder do you all find this strange? chicky
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Post by mmmmbarium on Sept 19, 2006 15:57:25 GMT -5
Theres an interview in Aerosol Crimes of an N.D who recommends certain supplements to take to help combat the effects of the Chemtrails.
I started taking these supplements back when I first learned about Chemtrails, as a preventative measure. But I got lazy and stopped taking them. shortly after I started getting all the symptoms I refereed to in the earlier post. So now I'm back on the supplements again, and I have been feeling alot better. The twitching/spasms are not happening to even close to what they were before. And overall I feel alot more energetic and healthier. And this is only after taking them for a week!
Heres the supplements I'm taking:
Evening primrose oil, Flax seed oil, Ginko Biloba, potassium, garlic and shiitake mushrooms
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Post by chickenlittle on Sept 21, 2006 2:33:55 GMT -5
Yes I dont know about the others listed but FLAX SEED OIL a must!! and more bananas! cheers chicky
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Post by mmmmbarium on Sept 22, 2006 1:27:08 GMT -5
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