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Post by kola on Dec 17, 2006 4:13:26 GMT -5
IMO, I think Increase1776 dealt with Socrates inappropriately (the bird flip pic and comments)...but maybe I am not aware of all the facts bewteen the two of them.
That kind of behavior is just wasteful and non-productive and the vulgarities are such strong hateful projections.
Peace, Kola
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Post by increase 1776 on Dec 17, 2006 5:05:36 GMT -5
IMO you should mind your own business.As far as vulgarities,what a joke.Nothing like the pot calling the kettle Black. Butt out.
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Post by Swamp Gas on Dec 17, 2006 12:30:08 GMT -5
Look, this thread is "Chemtrail Subliminals", not "bash the posters".
Socrates and Increase1776 are both good posters. I'm not taking sides in this stupid argument. Increase leans more toward political issues, and Socrates toward Aerosol issues. That's fine.
As I have said since the beginning, I think "Chemtrails" are mostly for Cooling the Planet, Slowing Global Warming, and Reflecting UV-B back because of blown out Ozone Layer caused by a myriad of reasons.
Others, like Weather Control and HAARP, are more fringe science, although they are a remote possibly.
The most far out, population contrail, aliens, Orbs, and biologicals are simply reasons to keep us away from what I theorize is the real reasons....Dirtying the well, if you will.
So , I will now divide th Geo-Engineering section into three sections connected with Spraying:
1) Ozone Depletion and Global Warming
2) HAARP and Weather Control
3) Far Out Theories
I will say theories because they are all still theories, but I want this to very clear of what the subject matter is.
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Post by socrates on Dec 17, 2006 12:37:12 GMT -5
Hi Kola, I think you should be able to say whatever you want. Yourself and me have done some sniping at each other in the past from across different forums, and I admit I started it. But then I found out why you have some of the beliefs you do or did, and to be honest, that put it all in perspective for me. The powers that stink always try to circumscribe any outside status-quo threatening thoughts into their wheel of oppression. So morgellons becomes a way to make chemmies look kooky, so a Native-American belief in cloud spirits becomes a way to make chemmies look kooky, so chemtrails as being used to offset global warming makes chemmies look kooky. Fakes enter these forums and throw in as much confusion as they can to make us not understand the other's perspective. The unmoderated or fake moderated sites like Carnicoms, DBS, and CTC all facilitate such divide and conquer, such types of confusion to fester. How else are we to understand how chemtemplation and Smell are so cordial to each other over at Carnicoms? It doesn't make any sense other than that it is more evidence of the fakery persisting at these places. CTC used to be for the most part a very decent place to read about chemtrails. Then when Thermit wouldn't back his team of moderators and instead invited back in all of the people who had been banned, the moderators including Arcadia and Swampgas bailed out. Chem11 had already bailed out years before by starting Megasprayer. There was a section at CTC called CTC Changes. It had tons of threads explaining what had happened. Then a few months ago the threads disappeared. Now, they might be somewhere, but for some reason the new moderator at CTC refuses to explain where the threads are. You asked whether there might be something between me and this other person that you are unaware about. Increase1776 Calls me a Debunker"The problem ,(FUI), is he, or she, or it,hasn't chased you away from CTC." He titled his post "Debunkers", thus calling me one and also referring to me as he, she, or it. He was busy backing his strange friend PAK who along with Mmmmbarium are spreading the tinfoil around very thick at CTC. And for anyone who thinks Increase is a hippie, explain his signature at CTC: "The first time Kennedy saw 30 illegals dashing across his property, he'd trip over his Guatemalan lawn guy rushing to the Senate floor to demand enforcement." quote from Frosty Woolridge So Increase has shown that he is unfit to be a moderator. He has shown himself inadequate for debating anything, as has Starfraud, who Arcadia had actually banned from CTC. Kola, your disbelief in chemtrails as being attempts to offset C02 actually forced me to re-evaluate my personal theories, and along with Swamp's posts and then looking through search engines, I find myself led to ozone hole mitigation as making the most sense. As I've said before, you tend to grow on a person the more one hears your ideas, sees your journey going on. I think if you saw some of the CTC Changes threads, you'd have a better picture of what is going on as regards to chemtrail forums. Yet, one of the people who could perhaps locate that material is simply ignoring the request for such materials to be located. The finger, the bad language, the trolling he did over at CTC, the fact that he is now moderating at CTC, these are indications to me that this is not a hippie or anyone who is openminded to getting to the bottom of all this aerial spraying.
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Post by altitudelou on Dec 17, 2006 14:35:49 GMT -5
Socrates,
I was going to stay out of this personal thing that you and Increase have going on between you but I have to jump in and stand up for Increase, he has been a major player in this CT issue for a long time now and a valued member of our activist community if I can call it that, I and I'm sure most of the other people who came here from CTC have the utmost respect for Increase and value his input and opinion on any number of issues.
You and Increase are both good people who deserve common respect, so, you may want to reconsider your position with regard to Increase because in reading your last post I have to disagree with your thinking of him.
This taking pot shots at each other isn't good for anything except breading contempt for each other, why don't you two get together in IM or other personal means and deal with your differences like adults, try talking to each other, if not for your own sakes, for ours.
Thank you both.
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Post by Swamp Gas on Dec 17, 2006 16:53:45 GMT -5
Lou. There is a common mistrust between Socrates and Increase. They both think each other are debunkers/disinfos. This was thought of by many people of Arcadia at CTC when he came over. My instincts told me different. Anybody that can write cool, spacey music like Arcadia has a Non-Linear mind, and is not Johnny Ramone or Toby Keith, or other Linear Minded artist or musicians. This is simple reality.
I think Socrates and Increase should settle this off-line, and for the better of the community rethink their respective positions.
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Post by altitudelou on Dec 17, 2006 17:13:35 GMT -5
Agreed !
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Post by et in Arcadia ego on Dec 18, 2006 12:52:39 GMT -5
You have nothing to say about chemtrail subliminals, you just drop in to advertise your tabloid blather. You're a moderator at CTC and haven't done anything to try to continue the legacy of people like Swampgas and Arcadia. You are a useful idiot trying to spread the same CTC crap here at Gastro. __________ Tinfoil 1776 Ok, looks like first blood is drawn here in this post. For the record, Socrates, I consider increase 1776 as knowledgable about what we discuss here as anyone, and he's been at it for a time that outranks you and I by a considerable margin. As for the link he gave, I agree that rense leaves a bad taste in the mouth, but I also acknowledge that valid, desseminated info can find it's way anywhere and shouldn't be disregarded by default simply because of where it appears. Increase knows his shit, and was one of the few people at CTC who's opinion I valued. He's also the only other person at CTC aside from swamp and soulcore that took the time and cared enough to forge a strong personal relationship with me that endures to this day and there's not very much that can be said to thwart my opnion of him. I consider you slightly out of line here in your post I quoted, but increase knows how to push a button as a graduate of the CTC Gladiator Camp and life in general, so maybe you guys should just agree to dsagree and get off each other's asses for a bit. I think you're a good guy as well, Socrates, but you have to be careful where you step in the mire, as it's just as easy to confuse friend with foe as the other way around. And word from the Wise(yes, I mean myself): When you reach a point of saturation that makes it difficult to maintain objectivity in regards to those around you or even the points of discussion, you need to seriously consider some away time and regain your perspective. If you look at the old CTC threads you'll see a highly pissed off and frustrated Arcadia threatening to leave all the time while struggling to absorb All Of It At Once. It doesn't work that way, buddy; all you'll get is elevated blood pressure and a good run of the shits.. ;D
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Post by et in Arcadia ego on Dec 18, 2006 12:55:13 GMT -5
CTC used to be for the most part a very decent place to read about chemtrails. Then when Thermit wouldn't back his team of moderators and instead invited back in all of the people who had been banned, the moderators including Arcadia and Swampgas bailed out. Increase left as well, and not one second later than the rest of us. His reason for being there now is one that I do not disagree with at all. Don't forget you're smack in the middle of the Info War, Socrates, and there's many facets to how that War is engaged.
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Post by socrates on Dec 18, 2006 13:35:03 GMT -5
First blood was drawn by the post you quoted? I wonder how you and Swamp can completely ignore the post he made before it. I can understand the cognitive dissonance coming out of Halva, but not from yourselves. That is why I am done here. And where are the CTC Changes threads? You have nothing to say about chemtrail subliminals, you just drop in to advertise your tabloid blather. You're a moderator at CTC and haven't done anything to try to continue the legacy of people like Swampgas and Arcadia. You are a useful idiot trying to spread the same CTC crap here at Gastro. __________ Tinfoil 1776 Ok, looks like first blood is drawn here in this post... One would think ,a person as intelligent as yourself, would have better things to do then to come here and do your divide and conquer bullshit.How many people are you,2,3,4,a whole team?You don't know shit about chemtrails.FUCK YOU and the DONKEY you rode in on.This prick will take down your site Swamp,BEWARE!
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Post by Swamp Gas on Dec 18, 2006 13:45:32 GMT -5
I'm not ignoring it Soc. Increase is trying to say in another post that he is under extreme stress with family health issues and his house. Please, Let's drop this, and go on. You should have seen Mech and I going at it once. We are good friends, and sometimes life events push us to the limits. Forgive and forget I say. With Solstice and the holidays, we should have Peace On Earth.....
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Post by et in Arcadia ego on Dec 18, 2006 14:08:17 GMT -5
Increase uses that pic all the time. When you don't see him resort to visual aids in a tizzy with another member you know there's a real problem. Take it in stride and realize that stress and hard times fall on everyone mutually. How we manage that between ourselves is what seperates us from the assholes. And yeah, you really missed out on me trying to moderate a couple knockdown drag-outs between swamp and mech..Those were they days, eh?
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Post by et in Arcadia ego on Dec 18, 2006 14:18:39 GMT -5
And it should also be admitted that increase and myself but heads a few times in the beginning as well. Shit, just about everyone including the other mods thought I was a devil for months accept swamp and soulcore. I'm better off for the friction; it refined me and purified my approach to all this crap.
By the way, not to get off topic or anything, but Geneva announced the beginning of Spring today.
Officially..
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Post by altitudelou on Dec 18, 2006 20:58:16 GMT -5
Boy, you guy's got it right, we all have had some go arounds with other members, do any of you remember how Big Joe and I started out when I first started posting at CTC, that could have gone better for sure but it's water under the bridge now, I value Big Joe's opinions and respect him and I hope he thinks likewise of me.
I believe that all of us can agree or disagree on any number of issues but we are still friends here through it all, that means you to Socrates, we don't shut people out just because they have strong opinions, in fact it is strong opinion that makes for a great debate, it's when the posting start getting personal that it gets messy, as with me and Wayne, you haven't seen me saying much to him lately, have you. I decided to just stay away from him rather than try and mix it up with him, better for me, better for the whole board_A-What ?
So, don't get all pissed off at everyone and take off, your a hell of a guy with some good thinking going on, we all appreciate that here, don't take shit so personal, half the time I don't know if Increase is being sarcastic or just serious but I will tell you that he is an Ok person, big time, give him a chance, he grows on you.
Another thing, no one wants to see you leave this board, I be willing to bet not even Increase, if you two can get past your pride and talk then just ignore each other, there is no need to run off, period.
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Post by increase 1776 on Dec 18, 2006 22:04:38 GMT -5
socrates,the thread you are looking for is it,Changing the way CTC works,or* Big Plans for CTC Forum?If not these you'll need to pm thermit and ask him.There are lots of threads missing.I'll say this one last time,when I post a url it is not because I think it is spot on.It's worth reading and than wading thru the BS.Take it with a grain of salt or sometimes the whole salt shaker.I'm sure there are sites you may favor that I could give a rat's ass about ,and that's okay.You want to post all the scientific stuff about chemtrails,knock your socks off.I have had all of that I can swallow.If the activists,us,don't get a good PR person or firm, to present our side $$$$$$$ than all the science in the world won't matter.That is just my personal observation.I've read thru and researched for seven years now and that is the conclusion I have drawn.WE can agree to disagree.You do what you have to,I respect that.Swamp,Lou,and some others like your posting,don't leave on my account.You don't know shit about me,hope you stick around to find out more. PEACE, from my heart.I don't carry grudges,I got bad ankles.
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Post by socrates on Dec 20, 2006 14:54:55 GMT -5
There are contrails in this one, but they appear to be quite subliminal. On edit- they aren't showing up. Here's the link
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Post by socrates on Dec 21, 2006 9:14:25 GMT -5
posted by Increase1776 "I don't carry grudges"
Well, how are you going to fix your lousy behaviour if you always affix blame for your own actions on others? In fact, I really am out of here this time. You have done immeasurable damage to the cause be it here or by your ridiculous presence at Chemtrail Central. People like you are why this issue never emerges in the public. Nice job yelling at Kola. You have a lot of nerve you redneck.
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Post by increase 1776 on Dec 21, 2006 11:38:25 GMT -5
First off don't use part of the quote use the entire quote. What no sense of humor?My being at CTC, is my business.I posted for your knowledge,no one elses where I thought that thread may be.I spent MY time trying to find it for YOU, and because of this now I'm a tinfoil redneck?Just a thanks would have been nice.It must be hard to see with blinders on.If you want the CTC Changes thread talk to Thermit about it. Here's his e-mail address <msteadham@houston.rr.com> I have no access to it, as I told you before.I spent more than an hour looking for it and trying to determine if may be it was called by a different name.I do stuff like that for people because I would want them to do the same for me. This is between me and you.I don't know kola from 7up.sarcasism..Reading kola's posts at ctc is the reason for the "pot calling the kettle black."A lot of pushy crap and swearing at other posters.Enough about kola .You have not heard me yell.I will no longer try to explain myself to you.I like the tinfoil redneck. Thank you. If you leave it's all on you.Swamp, Lou,and some others would like you to stay.I would too. Balls in your court. Don't try to read too much into that. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.
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Post by socrates on Dec 22, 2006 19:25:33 GMT -5
From OrbWar.com (disclaimer-I don't know much about this website but have found good stuff from them on chemtrail subliminals.) Orbwar.com HomeAt some point one has to ask the question: Is the phenomena of artificial weather a favorite corporate advertising gimic or a straight out attempt to influence by way of subliminal messages? They are usually shown in the backgrounds and presented to the public at large on computer screen OS, television, automobile commercials and occasionally a John Wayne movie. Are mac users inspired by chemtrails? Are PC enthusiasts borne again chemmies? Is it Miller Lite Time time again? Do credit card holders approve? ...more coming soon! © 2006 Orbwar
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Post by socrates on Dec 28, 2006 13:27:26 GMT -5
It doesn't get much more blatant that this next one, does it? Well, yeah, it probably does, but this one is fairly obvious in my humble opinion.
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Post by chickenlittle on Dec 30, 2006 11:51:04 GMT -5
Johnny Ramone? Did I miss something is he an ass or something??? Sorry, I just try to glide over the arguments but this caught my eye.I did not realize he was a Toby Keith type?? Help someone let me know O.K? chicky
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Post by socrates on Dec 30, 2006 13:39:18 GMT -5
Hi Chicky, Personally I have been trying to move on from the tension between myself and Increase. I have been trying to get this thread back to discussion of the subliminals. I can't believe how many there now are on the television. Basically the fight began over at CTC. There was someone named PAK, another flat earther as regards to global warming and the C02, who was hounding Sore Throat, and I called her out on it. Sore Throat has been one of the most prolific posters on the science of chemtrails and climate change since the beginning of these forums. This is the thread at CTC where the fight started. I couldn't care less about PAK, but how the disagreement between ourselves was addressed by Increase really upset me. I have always made it clear that I am FUI over at CTC. There, I was called a debunker and a he, she, or it by someone I thought was on the same team as myself. I am not trying to reopen wounds here at Gastro, but here was my response to being called a debunker by someone I thought was on the same side. Then if you just reread this thread starting when myself and Lou began talking a bit about morgellons, it's fairly clear what happened. Please consider that I never said that morgellons is a fake illness, nor did I say that I definitively see no connection between that and chemtrails. I just don't know one way or the other.
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Post by socrates on Dec 30, 2006 13:45:56 GMT -5
New rules from Swampgas and Thetaloops:
Thetaloops and I decided to put the site back together again. Any questions about other members, PM me or Thetaloops. Public bickering posts will be deleted. Please PM each other if a problem [arises]. Debunking of Hard Science and Politics that you know are the general consensus, is discouraged, and the post [will be] deleted and/or archived if it is from Ed Smell or similar crustaceans. [The] "No Personal Attack policy / Rule" [is] to remind people that they have the right to disagree or even criticize but not to personally be offensive to other posters, otherwise they are "GONE".
We have a great, small community, and please respect it, and we can continue as we have....
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Post by socrates on Jan 4, 2007 0:05:59 GMT -5
Am I seeing things or are there subliminal thin white lines around "more than you'd expect."These are getting easy to spot. Check this one out with its silver overcast and feathered spreading out chemtrails.
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Post by socrates on Jan 4, 2007 22:40:10 GMT -5
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Post by socrates on Jan 7, 2007 16:21:20 GMT -5
I wish I could post images from the television, but I don't have that know how, so that's why I have been simply posting ads I've come across on the net. Chemtrails are musical !!!!!! More blue is white is the walrus crap: Are those chemtrails reflecting off the exterior of the truck or is that supposed to be a racing truck with stripes on it?
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