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Post by altitudelou on Oct 11, 2006 23:27:40 GMT -5
Everyone has been looking for some sort of proof that we are seeing something other than "normal contrail's", well, here it is from way back when. ( the Debunkers are very wrong in saying that Chemtrail's are a hoax and there is no such thing as spraying going on worldwide. ) Obviously normal contrail's are not what we are seeing creating so much fake clouds in our sky's according to this little tid bit. One might pretend that this abstract was just authored rather than being authored back in 1980 as it defines the creation of the fake cirrus clouds that we have become accustom to seeing being made by the high flying jets that leave the Chemtrail's / not normal contrail's that persist for hours, spreading out and forming fake clouds as this abstract points out so clearly. At least since 1980 artificial clouds have been created as is shown in this Abstract on "Clean Air Seeding." Found at,.... adsabs.harvard.edu/cgi-bin/nph-bib_query?bibcode=1980PhDT........87D&db_key=PHY&data_type=HTML&format=&high=452dae76dc07705Clear-Air Seeding. Authors: Detwiler, Andrew Garold Affiliation: STATE UNIVERSITY OF NEW YORK AT ALBANY. Publication: Thesis (PH.D.)--STATE UNIVERSITY OF NEW YORK AT ALBANY, 1980.Source: Dissertation Abstracts International, Volume: 41-02, Section: B, page: 0597. Publication Date: 00/1980 Category: Physics: Atmospheric Science Origin: UMI Abstract Copyright: (c) 1980: UMI Company Bibliographic Code: 1980PhDT........87D Abstract An investigation is made into the prospects for nucleating widespread ice particle clouds in clear air for the purpose of moderating surface temperature extremes and modulating atmospheric convection. Using aircraft contrails as a model, it appears that on many occasions ice particle clouds can be nucleated in clear areas of the upper troposphere that will decrease the outgoing planetary infrared radiation by perhaps twice that amount, at the earth's surface. It is possible to promote the development of much more widespread cloudiness than a typical contrail by using aircraft to release large numbers of ice nuclei so that orders of magnitude more ice particles are created per unit length of flight path than are created in "normal" contrails. Opportunities also exist for clear-air seeding near the surface in cold climates. Investigations into suitable ice nuclei, synoptic weather conditions and seeding schemes are presented. The radiative properties of cirrus clouds are discussed. ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Post by altitudelou on Oct 12, 2006 13:20:16 GMT -5
I'm reminded by a friend who has more experience in researching for CT activity dating back over the years with regard to papers, abstracts, etc,..
Quote my friend.
"Rosalind Peterson comes up with a lot of these sort of papers but no clear unambiguous statements of CT fact. I note that this item appears to be a thesis and - I have not read the paper - does not actually say that this had/has been done: "...investigation is made into the prospects...". Prospects appears to mean theories."
""It is much like an echo of Teller's similar proposals""... ______________________________________________
So, it would seem that hours spent reviewing countless abstracts with regard to Atmospheric Sciences looking for clues to the CT subject is a total waste of my time, I'm beginning to think that just being involved in this Chemtrail / Global Spraying issue is a waste of my time, perhaps it would be better if I just concede that finding any tangible proof / documentation of CT programs or ongoing spraying is highly unlikely due to the secrecy of the projects nature and the fact that people seem uninterested in information dating back over thirty years that might provide clues as to what we are seeing going on in our sky's today.
That said, I am going to withdraw from any further research into this CT issue for a time and let everyone speculate and believe what they will on the subject, until someone comes up with some "real" documentation", if it even exist, relating to the CT / Spraying issue, all that we will continue to have is speculation and I'm sick of that, period.
Someone else can spend their time wading through the volumes of material hour after hour only to end up being told, if even nicely, that I'm not accomplishing anything with that old stuff, I've had enough of this for awhile and will no longer be posting on the subject.
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Post by greenman on Oct 12, 2006 18:09:26 GMT -5
I've had enough of this for awhile and will no longer be posting on the subject. sorry to hear that, i've learned alot from your posts Don't blame ya for wantin a break from it tho, i'm pretty sick of it all myself.
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Post by altitudelou on Oct 12, 2006 20:28:32 GMT -5
Thanks Greenman,
Likewise, I have found you post, well, thought provoking and enlightening, unlike some (Debunkers) who we all know think that they know everything that there is to know on any and every subject, I would be the first to admit that there is much that I don't know about any number of subjects, that's one thing about getting older,as you do so you realize just how much there is that you don't know.
I'm not running away and hiding from the spraying issue but I'm just tired of all of the BS speculation, I've been trying to find some definitive proof in the form of documentation for a long time and to tell the truth I don't think that "Definitive Proof" is ever going to surface with regard to this Global Spraying, at least not for many years to come, the entire project of spraying are to well guarded and secure, you could say that it's all "Leek Proof" and without that definitive, in your face documentation, that smoking gun project outline that convinces everyone that there has been and is spraying going on the whole subject is going to remain as is, speculation based on photos and eye whiteness accounts of jets leaving something other than normal contrail's in the sky, what good has that done to date, maybe making people aware that something is going on but what good has that been, we still know as much about the spraying now as we did eight or nine years ago.
Pre 9/11 we where getting close to some answers through contacts within the FAA but then Bush got into power and we had 9/11 and any inroads we had made into getting information from our FAA source became scarce as hen's teeth, the FAA clamped down on their employees saying anything to the public, let alone about military operations in areas on spray days, our contacts became afraid to speak out for fear of loosing their jobs and maybe even facing criminal charges for divulging internal FAA memoranda with regard to restrictions on speaking about military operations interfering with normal air traffic control operations, etc...We spent nearly two years talking to FAA people and gaining their trust only to see it disappear after 9/11 as the Department of Homeland Security and the TSA just about took over total control of FAA policy and it's implementation.
So, I and "we" are going to take a break from this "stuff" for awhile, I'd like to think about something other than this spraying for a change, don't know what but something will come to me, I'm sure.
See you on down the road, take care,...........Lou.
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Post by socrates on Oct 12, 2006 21:52:57 GMT -5
posted by Lou:
"So, it would seem that hours spent reviewing countless abstracts with regard to Atmospheric Sciences looking for clues to the CT subject is a total waste of my time." _______________________________________
I don't think it's been a waste of time at all. I think that sensible contributors to this topic have enabled the solving of this topic. There is a spectrum when it comes to speculation. People seeking truth have had to deal with three impediments. First, you had the debunkers who have been soundly defeated. That a deliberate manipulation of the skies has been under way for nine years has been proven. Secondly, seekers of truth have had to deal with fake "chemtrail" believers who have supplied fake discussion and rabbit holes. Third, yes, there is the program itself with all its secrecy. This third one has been the toughest nut to crack. Fortunately, they have overplayed their cards. They went with the strategy to debunk while spraying in full sight. Now, they have presented what they set out to do to offset greenhouse emissions and ozone holes. A side benefit for them has been their positivistic propaganda that they can own the weather, to see if they can manipulate beyond simply the dumbass Frankenscience attempts to cool the planet.
We are talking about sixth grade philosophy here. We are talking about man versus nature. As for Rosalind Peterson, I recommend that people check out Megasprayer where there is a technical fight brewing over the ingredients in the chemtrails. The problem with saying everything is relative, or that everything is speculation is that this does not take into account WHAT is the most probable explanation for the operation(s).
To solve "chemtrails", I believe that we must look at the last two factors impeding awareness by masses of people of what is going on. Dumbass debunkers want this topic to go away. They want to see chemtrail discussion come to a halt.
Chemtrail disinformation is the real problem. Conspiracy nuts such as those found dominating CTC and Carnicom's are the fakes to be most worried about. They are simply trying to drown out the most logical and factual points of "speculation". The disinfo enables them to proceed without any democratic accountability.
The secrecy of the program could unravel at any point if a majority of decent people take over the reins of the government. Perhaps after the elections next month, there will be even more reason to elevate the dialogue on chemtrails. The more the masses are in unison on issues, the more likely politicians are able to initiate the motions of discovery.
Debunkers want us to go away frustrated, thus enabling their victory. Looney Tune websites like Carnicom's, CTC, Debate Both Sides want the stupidest, most outrageous shit to dominate their threads. The fascists in control want to legalise the ongoing program(s).
Lou, you have been a prolific contributor to dialogue on this over the years. You have always welcomed new people interested in such dialogue. I think it would be a shame if you have hit the point where you just drop the subject completely. I do not agree with your friend. That abstract is not speculation. It is a real document which shows explicit motivation to f#%@ with the skies. The geo-engineering is not speculation. I hope maybe while you take this step back, that you don't give up and just realise that this new debunker strategy could be seen miles away. Swamp, myself, many others could see that they were gonna sell the geo-engineering as "good" for us. It is obvious that they are approaching the end game, yet they are like evel knieval trying to cross the canyon, it just can't be done without fascism. That is unamerican and will not stand. The last cry of the debunker is that this is all speculation, theories, hey that's just stuff that is being proposed.
I say screw them. I say you're an interesting person who might want to hang out in the politics/society, other sections more with your forum time. I think because the chemtrail forums in general have been completely infiltrated, that a few of us feel the weight of the world to keep pushing for awareness of what isn't disinfo speculation. We shouldn't forget that there are more than just a few of us. I don't think your work on this issue has been a waste of time at all. I think perhaps since you enjoy posting on the forum, that you do go for different topics, take the breather that way. It's been a cruddy time since Bush has been the Preztelnut, yet one more month to go chief, one friggin month to go to perhaps the beginning of impeachment proceedings, to motions for discovery, FOR the return of democratic ideals.
You know Loumeister, you add a lot to the other environmental topics. So maybe you might want to focus more on that. I can relate to your frustrations. We all have gone through that. You are not alone, and your tireless and sensible efforts over the years has not been a waste of time and should be commended.
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Post by altitudelou on Oct 13, 2006 0:29:03 GMT -5
Thanks Socrates,
That's sound advise and reason your handing out there and it's not lost in the dark recesses of what's left of my tired old brain, I agree with you logic with regard to the Chemtrail / Global Spraying issue and also the debunker aspects, misinfo, etc...
What has me wanting to just chuck the whole mess right now is the fact that I see so many people just wasting their time, and mine, either yapping endlessly and speculating on what the Chemtrail's / Spraying are for or their going at it with the debunkers who only want to waste your time, I don't see very many people at all who will take the time to do honest time consuming, boring research into archived science material to come up with some CT related material, if people only spent 10% of the time that they do writing a million words on "what" Chemtrail's are for, made of, and getting into long pointless debates with those who have no interest in seeing the truth of it all come to light and only want to obscure and cloud the issues then they might actually accomplish some good and uncover CT information that I suspect is just hidden away by the way in which it is worded.
It is a daunting task for one or two people to try and find abstracts, papers, proposals, presentations and projects that might relate to Chemtrail's / Spraying such as "Artificial Cirrus Cloud Formation" you may have to go through two hundred abstracts to find one that looks suspicious enough to set aside for further examination, it's tedious, boring and no fun at all work but when you do run across a piece of information that stands out as CT related it is rewarding, I suppose in this instance my feelings were hurt but you know, I'm a big boy, I can take it, I was just thinking that, Oh boy, I finally found a juicy piece of information that verifies that normal contrail's can be totally unnatural contrail's (Spraying) if the powers that be so decide, I thought that I had made a contribution towards finding the truth and instead was told that what I had found was really useless, by a friend at that, so, you might see why I want to step back from this whole thing for awhile.
I see a good number of people that are serious about getting to the truth of Chemtrail's, people like you and everyone here at Gastro, then I see the others, the ones who are doing little but wasting everyone's precious time blathering on and on pointlessly, it is them and the people who pay attention to their nonsensical fantasies that irritate and disappoint me because they do nothing but diminish the words of those who really are working towards finding the truth.
I'm just tired Socrates, I'm Ok physically but I think I may have a touch of the 'Spiritual Flu' and I need to take some time and cleanse my aura, I plan over the next couple of weeks to spend some time with my indigenous native American friends and also some friends who are very into holistic healing, they always lift my spirits when I spend time with them.
Not to worry, I'll won't be to far away from the keyboard, your not going to get rid of me that easy !
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Post by BigBunny on Oct 13, 2006 3:20:21 GMT -5
We really can't afford to lose you Lou or anyone else who is genuine like yourself for that matter.
Take care.
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Post by chickenlittle on Oct 13, 2006 7:12:49 GMT -5
HUH? Are you kidding? ? I completely depend on you Lou for the truth in your searches and to be quite honest with you I read more of your postings than I have ever read of Rosliands. This geo engineering thread would NOT be what it is without you,you must know that. I think you are just going through the chemtrails depression,come on people are starting to open their eyes and this is exactly when we need the GREATS like you.When I try to explain chemtrail spraying to people in my local area I always use you as a reference and I have turned people on to reading your entries and this is what truely made them stop and say"Hem o.k I see what you are talking about" To be quite honest with you Lou I am gonna be really pissed at you if you give up! ha,O.k I can't be pissed but I would be very sad at heart if you were not here to refer to. Chicky (your fan)
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Post by altitudelou on Oct 13, 2006 18:09:12 GMT -5
Chickenlittle wrote, "HUH? Are you kidding? ? I completely depend on you Lou for the truth in your searches and to be quite honest with you I read more of your postings than I have ever read of Rosliands. This geo engineering thread would NOT be what it is without you,you must know that. I think you are just going through the chemtrails depression,come on people are starting to open their eyes and this is exactly when we need the GREATS like you.When I try to explain chemtrail spraying to people in my local area I always use you as a reference and I have turned people on to reading your entries and this is what truely made them stop and say"Hem o.k I see what you are talking about" To be quite honest with you Lou I am gonna be really pissed at you if you give up! ha,O.k I can't be pissed but I would be very sad at heart if you were not here to refer to. Chicky (your fan)" ____________________________________________ HI Chicky, Thanks for the accolades but I'm not some celebrity nor do I want to be, all I've ever wanted out of this is some truth, just as we all do with regard to this Global Spraying issue and I would hope that I am treated no differently than anyone else who has been searching for that truth. As I've already stated in prior post that I'm not running away from the Chemtrail / Global Spraying issue, I'm just taking some time and stepping back so I can sort things out for myself and perhaps gain a new perspective on what's involved so I can continue to write on the subject clearly and with a common sense approach in language that everyone can relate to, not some scientific babble about aerosols that most people don't understand or don't want to understand. You say, "we need the GREATS like you", I say, "no", we need to understand that this Chemtrail / Global Spraying issue it's not about "Me" or any other single person, it's about all of us stuck on this little rock called earth, it's about realizing that it's the only earth that we have, the only oceans, sky, water and land and if we kill it, we kill ourselves in the process, what's great here is the one thing that keeps us all alive, our precious life-giving earth. I think that when we join together in defense of our mother earth, that is when we are all great, not just one or a few but all of us who fight the greedy spoilers, the polluters and those who only worship money and power, the ones who would kill us all by killing our earth, there is no middle ground on this point, we are either here to protect our earth and survive or use and abuse it to death and ours as well, it makes no sense that anyone would choose the latter but today there are clearly many people following that path of self destruction, most don't even care, others are just ignorant to how our earth is being treated but it is not up to me to change their minds, they are the only ones who can do that, if they really want to. "I would be very sad at heart if you were not here to refer to", please don't be sad Chicky, just think of my absents as a much over due vacation, I'll be back soon and really, thanks for your support, it means a lot to me. Chicky, You take care, .............Lou.
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Post by altitudelou on Oct 13, 2006 18:18:56 GMT -5
BigBunny wrote,
"We really can't afford to lose you Lou or anyone else who is genuine like yourself for that matter." ____________________________________
Thanks Big Bunny,
I appreciate those words because I know that you mean them.
I'm not leaving for good, just a little much needed R&R don't you know, I'll be keeping an eye on things to be sure and I'll be back before you know it.
Take care,........Lou.
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Post by socrates on Oct 23, 2006 15:46:13 GMT -5
I just thought of something as regards to the difference between a contrail and a chemtrail. Well, the chemtrails have the extra pollution in them, aerosol sulfates, possibly also metal particulates, e.g. aluminum, some barium. Barium is non-hygroscopic. It doesn't readily absorb moisture. Aerosol sulfates, dust, and metallic particles do.
It is easiest for them to spray when there is a lot of moisture up there. The geoengineering pollution uses the moisture to suspend itself in the atmosphere. I'm thinking in some ironic way "they" need to heat things up in order to then "cool" it off. This is for two reasons. One, "they" think it is easier to market the aerosol pollution if global warming is accepted as a problem needing the strongest possible mitigations. Also, with global warming comes more moisture into the atmosphere. This extra moisture helps the chemtrails to do their intended spreading out better.
The problem is it's illegal. "They" are in limbo.
posted by Lou:
"...or they're going at it with the debunkers who only want to waste your time, I don't see very many people at all who will take the time to do honest time consuming, boring research into archived science material to come up with some CT related material, if people only spent 10% of the time that they do writing a million words on "what" Chemtrail's are for, made of, and getting into long pointless debates with those who have no interest in seeing the truth of it all come to light and only want to obscure and cloud the issues then they might actually accomplish some good and uncover CT information that I suspect is just hidden away by the way in which it is worded."
All we can do is every once in a while go engine searching, try to add to the mountain of info, write a few sentences for new people. It's up to them to honestly do their homework. I think we know enough to step forward. As soon as they pick up the pace, we, lurkers too, start spreading the awareness. There's no point screaming chemtrails if they aren't doing it too much at the time. But when it does occur, then we go into gentle awareness prodding to those around us, a grassroots movement. If they even try to full out spray us, then maybe someone like a Kucinich will step forward again. Maybe Paul Moyer would finally do that update he promised.
It was fun knocking Reynolds around at CTC. Ha, he's stuck in that Debate Both Sides Pit, where they haven't had a good thread in a long time. Debunkers I think are done. It's the fake believers with the disinfo who need to be debunked or at least not be allowed to just post without critique. "They're" just mad that there is a sane division of the people who believe in chemtrails. So, as I've said, good bye loudmouth debunkers, hello population culling, mind control, and even alien reptiles.
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Post by Swamp Gas on Oct 23, 2006 16:48:43 GMT -5
Yes Soc, and some of the phonies are being exposed even here. I know Smell/Jason/Whitemajkiman is here under one of his scores of Internet alias. One of them just deleted their threads recently and account recently. No matter. I got all of the IP info collected. IMO opinion, mmmmbarium was just peeing in the wind.
The technique is no longer "you stupid chemmies are Communist Loving Al Gore Whores". Now it is the UFO stuff mainly, and the population culling second. With so many theories flying around, throwing things that are the outer limits of belief just makes us all look bad.
I have stated this from the beginning:
UV-B Blocking
Global Warming Expediting or Reversal depending on what side of the issue
Weather Control
HAARP is a possibility, but not as prominent.
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Post by altitudelou on Oct 23, 2006 17:38:55 GMT -5
Swampgas wrote,
I have stated this from the beginning:
UV-B Blocking
Global Warming Expediting or Reversal depending on what side of the issue
Weather Control
HAARP is a possibility, but not as prominent. _________________________________________________________
ALL OF THE ABOVE AND NO DOUBT MORE THAT WE DO NOT KNOW ABOUT !
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Post by halva on Oct 23, 2006 23:30:48 GMT -5
It was fun knocking Reynolds around at CTC. Ha, he's stuck in that Debate Both Sides Pit, where they haven't had a good thread in a long time. Debunkers I think are done. It's the fake believers with the disinfo who need to be debunked or at least not be allowed to just post without critique. "They're" just mad that there is a sane division of the people who believe in chemtrails. So, as I've said, good bye loudmouth debunkers, hello population culling, mind control, and even alien reptiles. Socrates why do you keep hanging around at Debate Both Sides? It is obviously not possible for anyone to do any good work there IN THE NATURE OF THINGS the mode of posting has to be reactive to debunking crap. Please don't say that something is fun when you DON'T do it yourself and justifiably have no intention of doing it. How can society as a whole become more like Gastronamus Cafe and less like Debate both Sides?
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Post by socrates on Oct 24, 2006 16:29:49 GMT -5
It was fun knocking Reynolds around at CTC. Ha, he's stuck in that Debate Both Sides Pit, where they haven't had a good thread in a long time. Debunkers I think are done. It's the fake believers with the disinfo who need to be debunked or at least not be allowed to just post without critique. "They're" just mad that there is a sane division of the people who believe in chemtrails. So, as I've said, good bye loudmouth debunkers, hello population culling, mind control, and even alien reptiles. Socrates why do you keep hanging around at Debate Both Sides? It is obviously not possible for anyone to do any good work there IN THE NATURE OF THINGS the mode of posting has to be reactive to debunking crap. Please don't say that something is fun when you DON'T do it yourself and justifiably have no intention of doing it. How can society as a whole become more like Gastronamus Cafe and less like Debate both Sides? Halva, I just the other day tried to cut you some slack at Megasprayer. You seem to want me to go back on the attack against yourself. Do you have anything to add to this specific thread? If myself and Lou want to talk about Reynolds, we have every right. Unlike yourself, we do it at a distance where he cannot respond. I think it is most funny that he reads every word we write and cannot respond. He knows as we do, that his posts are scrolled by 99% of people. He is the only debunker left. The other debunkers were also fakes who no longer serve the geoengineering agenda. You have an illogical belief that debunkers mean anything to anyone. If you spent all this debunker debunking time actually looking into the science of geoengineering, you would be able to make much better posts. If I didn't check out Debate Both Sides once in a while, I wouldn't be learning so much about you and your character! Hey, you never answered my questions in the fight club. I sincerely believe that the answers to those are yes!
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Post by socrates on Oct 24, 2006 16:33:32 GMT -5
Yes Soc, and some of the phonies are being exposed even here. I know Smell/Jason/Whitemajkiman is here under one of his scores of Internet alias. One of them just deleted their threads recently and account recently. No matter. I got all of the IP info collected. IMO opinion, mmmmbarium was just peeing in the wind. The technique is no longer "you stupid chemmies are Communist Loving Al Gore Whores". Now it is the UFO stuff mainly, and the population culling second. With so many theories flying around, throwing things that are the outer limits of belief just makes us all look bad. I have stated this from the beginning: UV-B Blocking Global Warming Expediting or Reversal depending on what side of the issue Weather Control HAARP is a possibility, but not as prominent. It's good to see someone "normal" like yourself spread the word. Thanks for all your effort over the years.
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Post by altitudelou on Oct 24, 2006 21:07:21 GMT -5
Wayne / Halva,
Socrates is quite right Wayne, if you have something relevant to add to this thread about contrail's or non-contrail's please feel free, otherwise step off !
We have only been referring to John Boyd in our discussion with regard to debunkers in general as we discuss the spraying issue, you seem to want to use Reynolds as a wedge and drive him into our world here at Gastro, no one cares about him or what he's flapping his lips about today, tomorrow or next week, he's a non-issue here, thank you very much.
Can't you keep his Lordship entertained at DBS, why come here with tails of Reynolds anyway, what's the point ?
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Post by Swamp Gas on Oct 24, 2006 21:15:47 GMT -5
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Post by socrates on Oct 24, 2006 22:16:26 GMT -5
Here's a repost of my aerosol report documenting Aug. 30th chemtrails, not contrails. Didn't notice any sylphs breaking up clouds. Sylphs? I'm trying to hold in what I'm thinking. But no sylphs, no population culling. To those who witness chemtrails, and watch them expand, please be careful but try to see how the grid is in terms of where the sun is. Personally I haven't seen many chemtrails lately. ___________________________________ My friends took these photos the other day. Taken in southern MA on 8/30 on edit, that's strange, a bunch of the photos aren't showing up for me.
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Post by socrates on Oct 24, 2006 22:24:05 GMT -5
Those were great pictures too, now I can't see them. That's crazy isn't it? Can anyone see the pictures? Is it just my computer ? I only see the two worst photos I put up. The others showed the chemtrailing clearly.
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Post by altitudelou on Oct 24, 2006 22:25:12 GMT -5
swampgas,
Right on, throw Wayne right along into it to with you know who, great idea !
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Post by altitudelou on Oct 24, 2006 22:30:12 GMT -5
Socrates,
No, just the two photos so far.
It's been real quiet here with regard to any spraying, the weather conditions have been really bad, lots of high winds, no doubt at altitude also, there have not even been any normal contrail's to speak of lately, Hmmmm ?
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Post by socrates on Oct 24, 2006 22:41:00 GMT -5
Strange how the photos are not showing up. They're the only ones I've ever gotten a hold of. I finally talked my friends into looking up. The pictures were too good for the damn polluters to allow to stay I guess.
It's cold. We haven't had it as bad as yourself. They better stop spraying. It's illegal.
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Post by halva on Oct 24, 2006 22:42:26 GMT -5
We can always throw Johnny Spray discussions into the new "Theoretical Forum" Any reference to Reynolds or to DBS should be made in the Fight Club in the first place, because it is going to lead there anyway, or should. There is just an inescapable contradiction between saying, even if in illustration of an argument, that nobody is interested in something which one then proceeds to talk about. The debunkers may be on the ropes at the moment, but one of the elements in that progress has been an absolute determination, backed in some cases by a theoretical perspective, that they have to be removed from the debate, silenced: that the question is not to discuss anything on their terms. In some cases as with Chem or Swampgas the exclusion is performed directly by not allowing them to participate. The skills that are relevant to this strategy are computer knowhow and an ability to sense and thwart the various tricks the debunkers use for worming their way back in again. This is something that is NOT available at Debate Both Sides so that I have had to develop other methods. It is also simply WRONG to say that the Reynolds-type debunkers have been defeated from the social and political viewpoint. The slander that we are unacceptable and picturesque "conspiracy theorists" continues to prevail, and Reynolds type people continue to bully, intimidate and silence wherever they can, which is most places. Perhaps the esoteric "chemmies" terminology the debunkers use among themselves is not in operation in society, but its effects are still as much there as they were five years ago. Socrates' ideas about the relative importance of straight-down-the-line debunking and other more subtle forms of dissembling are experienced by me, justifiably, as a theorization of a personal attack. They have quite openly aimed at having me excluded both from here and from Megasprayer. Whenever obstacles to the project seem to be encountered at one forum, the effort continues at the other. The notion that this attack is "for my own good" since the time and energy I use attempting to thwart Reynolds at DBS I should be using to increase my scientific knowledge is not something whose content I reject per se, but it is nevertheless an argument that impinges on my personal freedom and is thus presumptuous. So. Any reference to Reynolds and/or DBS goes to the fight club from the outset. Is that agreed?
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Post by halva on Oct 24, 2006 22:48:08 GMT -5
If you want to bait Reynolds by posting pictures or making assertions about chemtrails do so please without mentioning either him or DBS in the open section of Gastronamus Cafe.
I want Reynolds silent at DBS, not attacking either me or people at other forums to which he does not have access.
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Post by BigBunny on Oct 25, 2006 3:24:29 GMT -5
Halva, I see a pattern emerging here and it doesn't look good. Why don't you just stick to the subject matter of the thread instead going off on a irrelevant tangent?
Meanwhile on topic I noticed that Northern California was nailed last night (my time) in fairly spectacular fashion. You know its bad when its obvious on NOAA.
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Post by altitudelou on Oct 25, 2006 19:31:59 GMT -5
Wayne / Halva wrote,
"If you want to bait Reynolds by posting pictures or making assertions about chemtrails do so please without mentioning either him or DBS in the open section of Gastronamus Cafe."
""I want Reynolds silent at DBS, not attacking either me or people at other forums to which he does not have access."" __________________________________________________________
Wanye,
Enough already.
Just who in the hell do you think you are coming over here and telling people what to do, you have some nerve, take care of your own crap at DBS, you don't see me over there getting in your face, do you ?
If you want what's his name SILENT, FIIGGEN IGNORE THE PUKE LIKE WE ARE DOING !
CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW ?
IF I WANT TO TALK ABOUT SOMEONE OR SOMETHING THEY HAVE DONE / NOT DONE, I WILL, WE DON'T HAVE SPEACH POLICE HERE, NO YET ANYWAY.
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Post by halva on Oct 25, 2006 21:37:14 GMT -5
The "Science in the World" section of DBS looks as if it is going to be taken over by advertising spammers.
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Post by socrates on Oct 25, 2006 22:27:35 GMT -5
posted by Lou:
"...If you want what's his name SILENT, FRIGGEN IGNORE THE PUKE LIKE WE ARE DOING ! CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW ? IF I WANT TO TALK ABOUT SOMEONE OR SOMETHING THEY HAVE DONE / NOT DONE, I WILL, WE DON'T HAVE SPEECH POLICE HERE, NOT YET ANYWAY."
Reynolds is done. All he can do is copy and paste us calling him a fascist. The funny part is that he can't respond. I like this way of ignoring him. I find him to be quite harmless. It's the fake disinfo crowd you have to look out for. Funny with how all those sensationalistic websites don't mention the geoengineering. That could be a sign that we are on to their sky games.
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Post by Swamp Gas on Oct 25, 2006 22:37:34 GMT -5
posted by Lou: "...If you want what's his name SILENT, FRIGGEN IGNORE THE PUKE LIKE WE ARE DOING ! CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW ? IF I WANT TO TALK ABOUT SOMEONE OR SOMETHING THEY HAVE DONE / NOT DONE, I WILL, WE DON'T HAVE SPEECH POLICE HERE, NOT YET ANYWAY." Reynolds is done. All he can do is copy and paste us calling him a fascist. The funny part is that he can't respond. I like this way of ignoring him. I find him to be quite harmless. It's the fake disinfo crowd you have to look out for. Funny with how all those sensationalistic websites don't mention the geoengineering. That could be a sign that we are on to their sky games. I think some people just may be testing all of the theories, far out and hard core science. That is why we have two sections fro Aerosol Spraying. Let the readers decide
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