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Post by halva on Nov 15, 2006 12:14:28 GMT -5
In response to Kola (this should really go onto another thread). "Tracker" did a profile of Reynolds at CTC. www.chemtrailcentral.com/forum/thread10492.html&highlight=jay+reynoldsSocrates has also done quite of digging in the archives recently and could tell you about Reynolds if he wanted to. But it really is better looking towards the future rather than towards Reynolds.. To speak personally Reynolds started harassing me when I managed to get some chemtrails coverage into the Greek mass-circulation newspaper Ethnos in 2003. He stalked me to a number of sites including the Direct Democracy discussion forum CICDD and succeeded in breaking up and wrecking discussion there. He similarly followed me to what used to be the Arianna Huffington forum and is now called Debate Both Sides, Arianna Huffington ran away from it, whether because of "chemtrails" arguments only insiders will know. Others may be able to tell you more about Reynolds' relations with William Cooper. But best on another thread.
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Post by altitudelou on Nov 15, 2006 13:38:54 GMT -5
Well, since my appointment this afternoon was canceled I am free to post some comments. Hi Kola, People have been trying to figure out the "who" and "what is" of John Boyd Reynolds, Jr. over the years and I don't believe there are enough adjectives in earth speak to describe this twisted individual, if you have the time to read, this thread at CTC is as close as I have seen anyone come to identifying exactly who and what Reynolds truely is. The "About Jay Reynolds " thread at CTC would fill in a lot of your questions regarding this internet parasite chemtrailcentral.com/forum/thread10492.html
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Post by altitudelou on Nov 15, 2006 14:13:58 GMT -5
Socrates wrote,
"Hey Lou, I hope you didn't miss the Russ Feingold letter above. It looks very intriguing." __________________________________________________________________________
Hi Socrates,
Sorry I didn't get back to you on "Feingold's" letter sooner, things are kind of happening around here that are interfering with my computer time.
Before I forget, thanks for the info on posting links, I'll give that a try.
I'm aware of the "Feingold" letter and I think it generated the FAA pat answer response of the trail's just being "Normal" condensation trail's, I have yet to see any follow up from any one on the letter.
Until some politician really presses for an answer to the spraying all that we are going to get is propaganda like this,.........
4/20/01
Dear Senator Feinstein,
This responds to your inquiry for Mr. Rick Moors concerning "chemtrails."
The term "chemtrail" is a hoax that began circulating approximately three years ago which asserts the government is involved in a joint federal program of covert spraying of the public. The "chemtrails" are most often described as "unusual contrail or contrail patterns" seen coming from military and civilian aircraft. The "chemtrail" hoax has been investigated and refuted by many established and accredited universities, scientific organizations and major media publications
There has been an increase in the number of contrails observed due to the significant civil aviation growth in the past decade, and the patterns observed are directly correlated to the grid pattern formed by aircraft flying north/south and east/west routes designated by the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA). The FAA manages the National Airspace System (NAS) and controls both civilian and military aircraft using the NAS. The National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) are the agencies charged with conducting atmospheric and climate experiments and are investigating the effects of contrail formation and dissipation on the climate.
Aircraft and their engines can produce a variety of condensation patterns ("contrails"), exhaust plumes, and vapor trails. Furthermore, the Air Force performs missions during which, exhaust is released into the atmosphere. The exhaust emissions produced by aircraft and space launch vehicles can produce contrails that look very similar to clouds whcih can last for only a few seconds or as long as several hours. Vapor trails are formed only under certain atmospheric conditions and create a visible atmospheric wake similar to a boat propeller in water and usually dissipate very rapidly.
Contrails consist ofice particles that form or nucleate around the small soot or aerosol particles in the exhaust hases. The contrails are formed when the relative humidity increases because of the mixing of warm and moist exhaust gas with colder and less humid ambient air of the atmosphere. Contrails become visible roughly about a wingspan distance behind the aircraft. Contrails can be formed by propeller or jet turbine powered aircraft.
The contrails formed by the exhaust at high altitude are typically whicte and very similar to cirrus clouds. As the exhaust gases expand and mix with the atmosphere, the contrails diffuses and spreads. At sunsets, these contrails can be visibly eye-catching and striking as they reflect the blue, yellow and red spectrum of the reflected sunlight. Due to horizontal wind shear and a (comment - sentence ends here, and does not continue on the second page).
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A different type of contrail or condensation trail is caused when a wing surface or winglet causes a cavitation of iar in very humid conditions. This results in a unique vapor trail that is not formed due to exhaust gases.
Aerial spraying for pest or weed control and fire suppression is the only Air Force activities that involve aircraft intentionally spraying chemical compounds (insecticides, herbicides, fire retardants, oil dispersants). The only unit in the Air Force capable of aerial spray operations to control disease-carrying pests and insects is the Air Force Reserve Command's (AFRC) 910th Airlift Wing, Youngstown - Warren Air Reserve Station, Ohio. The aerial spray mission uses four specially configured C-130 Hercules turboprop iarcraft. Aerial spraying enables large parcels of land or water to be treated safely, quickly, accurately, and cheaply. This is the only fixed wing aerial-spray capability in the Department of Defense. Although the Department of Defense initiates most of the unit's missions, its services are also requested by local, state, and other federal agencies and coordinated with the Center for Disease Control. The most common missions flown are for mosquito, sand flea and weed control. Several states have also requested support to combat grasshoppers and locusts.
For a number of years commercial companies have been involved in cloud seeding and fire supression measures. Cloud seeding requires the release of chemicals in the atmosphere in an effort to have water crystals attach themselves and become heavy enough to produce rain. The Air Force does not have a cloud seeding capability. The Air Force's policy is to observe and forecast the weather to suport military operations. The Air Force is not conducting any weather modification experiments or programs and has no plans to do so in the future.
In short, there is no such thing as a "chemtrail" -the actual contrails are safe and are a natural phenomenon. They pose no health hazard of any kind. We thank you for this opportunity to address your concerns and trust you find this information helpful.
Sincerely,
WALTER M. WASHABAUGH, Colonel, USAF Chief, Congressional Inquiry Division Office of Legislative Liason _____________________________________________________
Can we we all say "BULLSHIT" together, the morons that put out this piece of trash did not even take the time to check the spelling they where in such a hurry to deny the truth and lie, and they expect people to believe this, what a joke !
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Post by socrates on Nov 15, 2006 17:15:33 GMT -5
Hey Lou, I see your point. It could be deja vu all over again like with Rick Moors' letter. But maybe this will spur others to write to their Senators and Representatives with the same types of observations. And now it is in Feingold's and Feinstein's minds that there is a problem with fake clouds generated by aircraft emissions. This could also be a wake up call for those behind the "supercontrails" that they are being watched by increasingly larger numbers of people. The global dimming documentary last year has given our movement for clean skies instant credibility. Hard science has now admitted that aircraft are messing with the atmosphere. I understand your apprehension in embracing such a letter, and perhaps you are correct, yet I think no one believes anything out of this administration any more. New people everyday are waking up and smelling the sulfur.
To Kola and anyone else new to the forums, you might want to go through archives of CTC and DBS to get a feel for this Reynolds character. As I posted earlier in this thread, that dude showed up in 1997. Think about that. He showed up before anyone really was aware that anything strange was going on in the skies.
I could actually envision Kola doing a great job at DBS going after Reynolds. Yet, as Swampgas pointed out a few years back in the thread I linked to before, Reynolds is really a waste of time. He said that if anyone really wanted to look into Reynolds, they might want to see what exactly his relationship to William Cooper was. Others have wondered whether Reynolds is part of the aluminum making company of that name. If so, that might explain why he is so adamant to call ALL of us participants in a hoax. If aluminum metal particulates are indeed part of the chemtrail formula, then this would make sense. Yet, Swamp is probably correct that it is very strange to see Reynolds say he was so close to William Cooper, especially because he takes such pleasure in deriding conspiracy theorists.
I personally felt I needed to look into that guy, perhaps like you are finding out, because he is mentioned so often and has been around this issue since 1997!!!! Did any of us know about chemtrails in 1997? I doubt it. Yet there he was writing an article on this lines in the sky "controversy".
To me, Reynolds' name is like Hitler's. If someone is called a Hitler, it means they are a murderous fascist pig. If someone is called a Reynolds, it means that they are a fascist pig debunker.
(off-topic: I saw Roseanne Barr on Larry King last night and just want to say thanks to her for sticking up for the poor people. I used to find her annoying. Now I think she is very funny, smart, and is one cool customer. Thanks Roseanne.)
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Post by altitudelou on Nov 15, 2006 19:58:10 GMT -5
Socrates,
I really believe that the main objective in getting to the truth behind the spraying is to keep the pressure on, don't let up on hounding the politicians at the state and federal levels, not letting up on the media, keep e-mailing the news directors with chemtrail / spraying comments, demand coverage of the issue, throw people like Bill Moyers and Ros Peterson in their faces at every opportunity, be an outright pain in their asses so they realize that we and the issue is not going to go away.
When was the last time that you could remember the main stream media ignoring an issue this big, something being observed by millions of people worldwide, that's pure bullshit, someone is leaning on the major media to keep their mouths shut about this whole spraying issue, man, if Spears and K-Fed fart we here about it on the national news, like we care, the point is the spraying has been going on at least since people really started to notice since 1997, millions of people are talking about it now_and the main stream media doesn't think there is a story in it, that makes no sense at all, who has the gun to their heads?
The mainstream media in this country is controlled by five people when it comes right down to it and there all Right Winger Yes Men to the government, it's obvious why we have not been hearing anything about the spraying from their media company's over the years, they are owned !
But, there is always the possibility that someone will screw up and Ok a new story on the spraying that goes national, if that happens the shit will hit the fan big time, every news affiliate will pick up the story and it will spread like wildfire, there will be no stopping it, that is the break in the main stream media that we need.
As I have said countless times, we need to keep the pressure on, more and more people are waking up to the reality and truth of this worldwide spraying, as they do our chances of an open admission by the government increase with each one of them added to our numbers.
What was it that Samuel Clemens said, " from a single blade of grass does a vast prairie grow", Hmmmm, I think the prairie is growing quite large indeed these days.
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Post by altitudelou on Nov 15, 2006 20:27:52 GMT -5
Socrates,
"Did any of us know about chemtrails in 1997? I doubt it. Yet there he was writing an article on this lines in the sky "controversy"." ______________________________________________________________
In the fall of 1996 and winter of 1997 into spring of that year I first began to notice the Chemtrail's being sprayed over rural New Hampshire and Maine, I did not know at the time that they where called Chemtrail's but I knew that they were not normal contrail's, the first time I heard the term Chemtrail was on Coast To Coast AM, with Art Bell doing an interview with Will Thomas.
As Will Thomas began talking about the strange trail's that where being made in our sky's I started to really pay attention because of what I had been seeing going on starting in the fall of 1996 with the strange contrail's being made like no others that I had ever seen in my life, including while I was in the Navy.
It was not until 2000 that I really got involved in speaking out about this aerosol crime taking place in our sky's.
Socrates your right in questioning how it is that Reynolds seemed to know about Chemtrail's long before most of us had any idea of what they might be, Reynolds has said that it was he who warned William Cooper not to get involved with the Chemtrail subject because he knew it was a hoax, what do you suppose it was that convinced him to so adamantly oppose any notion of Chemtrail's / Spraying.
All that I know for sure is that Reynolds is washed up, a has been, now confined to an obscure section of a forum than not very many people bother with, my interest in DBS only stirred recently due to Wayne Hall's strange behavior, not anything that Reynolds was doing.
There does seem to be something interesting going on there with this "Smell" / really Reynolds thread but I'm not bringing it here to Gastro_screw that crap, Wayne has caused enough trouble here of late by bringing DBS Reynolds crap here, people know how to get to DBS, they don't need my help.
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Post by halva on Nov 15, 2006 23:15:45 GMT -5
The Feingold letter is useful, not least for bringing to the attention of other poltiicians who have started reacting to "chemtrails" and then, for whatever reason, stopped doing so.
But there has to be another element in our strategy apart from lobbying politicians and the media.
In Europe it is easier because of the unfinished "European integration" project, which involves systematic upgrading of local government and downgrading of national governments. EU nationals, for example, are allowed to vote and stand for office in local elections in EU member countries other than the one whose passport they hold.
The negative aspect is of course that the European Union political elite is even more integrated into "globalist" New World Order agendas than national political elites. But my view is that the promise of "European integration" is greater than the threat. The most natural link between Americans and the rank-and-file aspect of European integration is the international movement against neo-liberal globalisation as expressed in the World Social Forum and the regional social forums.
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Post by socrates on Nov 15, 2006 23:28:47 GMT -5
Gastro broke its record at 5:01 am with 27 people on line. That's a strange time ain't it? Well, hopefully some good lurkers out there will sign up and add to the info.
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Post by altitudelou on Nov 16, 2006 17:26:53 GMT -5
I wonder if any of those hits were from the DOD, NSA, FBI, etc..?
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Post by Swamp Gas on Nov 16, 2006 23:38:51 GMT -5
I wonder if any of those hits were from the DOD, NSA, FBI, etc..? Probably most of them Back in 1990-1991, when the first Bush War was starting, Noble Gas had a song played in it's entirety on Pacifica Radio Network. They were playing it on all the shows, on 5 different stations, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Houston, Washington, and New York. We were waking up to it in the morning, as it became an anthem against the war. We would go to the New York station and hang out with some of the announcers. One day, Andrew Phillips, the station manager asked me to come into his office. He said that the FBI, NSA, and CIA were constantly monitoring the stations, and we were probably being watched. Well, I knew that anyway, so it didn't phase me. Then he said that there was some people in those same organizations that were working from within, to undermine the progressive message, even disguising them selves as liberals, and he went further and said he doesn't know how long he would be at WBAI and Pacifica. Sure enough, 6 months later, he was gone, and replaced by a bunch of Black Nationalists, and Amy Goodman. They threw Gary Null off because of his reporting the corruption of the left gatekeepers, and his views on JFK, RFK, OKC Bombing, and 9/11. Gary personally told Theta and I that he too was going to be canned, and it was true. Then Amy Goodman, and the new crew called me a racist, because I asked why all of a sudden, Noble Gas was being banned from playlists on the station, and I asked why they were playing Run-DMC and their watered down Rap. They then canned Robert Knight and others to make way for the CIA sponsered LEft Gatekeepers that now run the network. Here's the song that caused a stir, in it's entirety. www.noble-gas.com/fragmented.mp3A report on what happened to Gary pdr.autono.net/2003_07_01_pderienzo_archive.html
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Post by socrates on Nov 17, 2006 0:15:30 GMT -5
posted by Swampgas:
"Back in 1990-1991, when the first Bush War was starting, Noble Gas had a song played in it's entirety on Pacifica Radio Network. They were playing it on all the shows, on 5 different stations, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Houston, Washington, and New York. We were waking up to it in the morning, as it became an anthem against the war. We would go to the New York station and hang out with some of the announcers..."
I remember that time well. I was in Ireland and was learning about charred Iraqi babies and other war crimes such as where Iraqi soldiers were buried alive. Anyone who says there is no difference between the parties is drinking too much funny kool-aid. It's always been the republiscumbags causing 99% of the trouble. Guatemala, Nicaragua, El Salvador, Iran-contra, then Bush suckered Hussein into invading Kuwait. Look up April Glaspie.
But these are some of the things that all American lefty peaceniks are already well aware of.
I listened to that song. Brilliant, as they say on the Guiness ad. (talk about your chemtrail subliminals, looked a bit funny when they were on the beach. Best beer ads since Let it go Louie with Budweiser.)
This feels like a brush with greatness. Thetaloops sounded awesome, like Nico, quite elegant. I think it kicked in once the Reagan quotes got spliced in.
It sounds like hippie technotronic rap. I heard some Laurie Anderson in that. Maybe you are big with underground college kids. One of them finds out your songs, then grassroots build that your songs not only are art, but are popular culture history.
Hopefully the young people will be able to garner the strength to continue the battle for social justice. Lord knows the progressives, the beatniks, the hippies, the "easy, peaceful feelings" of the 70's, generation X, now who is next?
So any college kids out there, maybe twist one, read about Salvadore Allende or Mandela, put the tunes on, then read how Carter and normal democrats approached foreign policy and how these chickenshit hawks always have. Republicans, I am sorry if this sounds extreme, but they are pigs, mere sheep who just aren't very thoughtful.
They are fascists.
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Post by Swamp Gas on Nov 17, 2006 7:51:57 GMT -5
College People always liked our material, as well as cyberpunks, hippys, and beats. There is a cross-fertilization between all of the Non-Linear thinking people throughout history. People who liked New Wave, Psychedelic, Heavy Metal, and even Rockabilly like our stuff. The only ones who don't like it are hard boozing rockers and Country Fans.Just as well. If they were liking it, then perhaps we are doing something wrong. We have some more gigs lined up. including Montclair State college, and a small Rave. For the Rave, we will play our more danable numbers, but here in New Jersey, the college kids are pretty progressive, so we'll slant it toward political As far as Republicans being Nazis: www.mikehersh.com/printer_Republicans_Undermining_Our_Security.shtmlRepublicans Undermining Our SecurityBy Mike Hersh, Oct 23, 2005 Republicans undermining our security is nothing new. Republicans historically undermine national security, and seek to personally cash in by diverting our tax dollars and national priorities to put our money in their pockets. Top Republicans - including both of AWOL Bush's grandparents - favored the Nazis and collaborated with them. Both the Bush and Walker families had to pay fines for helping Hitler build up for war. Leading elected Republicans including Robert Taft insisted the US stay neutral during WWII, blocking efforts to empower our armed forces, forcing FDR to sneak aid to the Allies, and left us vulnerable to attack at Pearl Harbor. Today, Republicans scream that no one can even question AWOL Bush and his lousy policies. During WWII, Thomas Dewey of "Dewey beats Truman!" fame led a Republican effort to impeach FDR at the height of the war, blaming him for the shameful Republican policies which kept us weak. Did right wingers call Dewey a traitor for undermining a war time President? Of course not. They nominated him for President as soon as they could. Truman beat Dewey. Republicans couldn't accept that and began attacking Truman and his administration - undermining our security. They refused to let Truman do his job, even though he was protecting America and the free world. Truman integrated the armed forces and took other bold steps over strong right wing objection which ended up keeping us strong. Then-Dixiecrats like Strom Thurmond left the Democratic Party, and their fellow right wing racists in the Republican Party embraced them with open arms. Other than racists, the Republicans embraced and empowered radicals and lunatics who undermined America. The most famous is Joseph McCarthy who lied to the public and led witch hunts against the military and the Truman Administration, even attacking Republicans like General Marshall (of Marshall Plan fame) who Truman tapped to help keep us safe. Richard M. Nixon was among the top Republicans involved in this shameful effort to put personal and partisan ambition over national security. He built his career hounding sensible Republicans and Democrats as "pinkos" and "soft on communism." Even during the bitter Korean War, these Republicans undermined our national security. Did the Republicans demand Nixon, McCarthy and other Republican red-baiting opportunists stop? Did they require them to support the President in time of crisis? Of course not. They rewarded Nixon for undermining our top officials and our national security in time of war. Nixon was increasing the risk to our forces fighting in Asia and rather than reign him in, the Republicans put him on their national ticket five times in six elections! They nominated him for Vice President twice (52, 56) and President three times (60, 68, 72)! Some Republicans complain that Democrats disrespected Ike, but that's revisionism. The Republican rank and file wanted Taft, the man who tried to help Hitler by holding back FDR's efforts to rearm America and aid the allies as their nominee in 52 and 56. The Republicans, not the Democrats questioned General Eisenhower's patriotism and intellect at the time. To many Republicans, Ike was not one of them. They accused him of selling out their party to "the Eastern Establishment." Tracts like "A Choice not an Echo" by Phyllis Schlafly accused the Eisenhower Republicans of stealing the nomination from the same Robert Taft who tried to prevent us from fighting the Nazis. Leading Republican writers like William F. Buckley actually accused Ike of wittingly or unwittingly serving the cause of international communism! Dennis Goldford (the Chairman of the Department of Politics and International Relations at Drake University) wrote at TomPaine.com: "At that time 'Mr. Republican,' the candidate of the more conservative, anti-New Deal element of the party was Senator Robert Taft of Ohio. Though his supporters thought that he had the nomination all sewn up, the 'Eastern Establishment' in their view stole the nomination from Taft and gave it to Dwight Eisenhower. Books such as Phyllis Schlafly's A Choice, Not An Echo accused moderate and liberal Republicans of betraying them, a narrative which presaged the Goldwater insurgency, the movement of the center of gravity of the Republican Party from the Northeast to the South and the Mountain West, and ultimately the Reagan presidency." See George W.'s Magical Money Machine The Republican Party Rediscovers Its Wall Street Past: www.tompaine.com/feature.cfm/ID/2491. Here's the lesson of the 1930s, 1940s and 1950s: the Republicans demonstrated their eagerness to attack and undermine our leaders and help our enemies. Leading up to World War II, Republicans fought FDR to keep us as weak as possible. Even their "moderates" like Dewey wanted to impeach FDR at the height of our peril. They attacked FDR, Truman and even Eisenhower during time of war or crisis. Leading Republicans even smeared and undermined Republican war heroes like General Marshall and President Eisenhower as betrayers. They promoted and followed extremists and opportunists like Taft, Nixon, McCarthy, Buckley and Schlafly. These militant Republicans, typified by Douglas MacArthur overreacted and overreached. MacArthur was able to clean up messes he caused through his overconfidence and ego, but like many Republicans he disdained the Constitution which enshrines civilian authority over the military and freedom as paramount US values and strengths. MacArthur presaged Republican assaults on freedom and civilian authority led by Nixon and McCarthy. Before earning noteriety during WWII, MacArthur brutally attacked World War One veterans who were marching on Washington seeking their promised bonuses. After WWII, MacArthur ignored Chinese threats and Truman's orders when he provoked fatal retaliation and risked World War III in Korea. After following pro-Nazi isolationists through WWII and then opting for redbaiting anti-freedom demagogues during the 1950s, Republicans in the 1960s, 1970s and 1980s again proved they cannot keep us safe. Right wing heroes like Barry Goldwater and Ronald Reagan agitated for nuclear war in Korea and then in Vietnam and again during the 1980s years as Republicans from Reagan to Richard Perle spoke openly of "winning" World War Three after making a first-strike nuclear attack against the USSR. Not content with risking the planet, Republicans including Nixon and Reagan broke our laws and squandered the lives of our military personnel for their personal and partisan gain. Nixon brokered a deal a deal with the South Vietnamese to sabotage the Paris Peace Talks in 1968. He knew progress would save 10,000s of American lives while an ongoing war could risk another superpower confrontation, but Nixon didn't care. He feared a settlement would let Hubert Humphrey beat him at the polls, so Nixon promised voters he had a "secret plan" to end the war at the same time he was working to prolong it. In typical Republican fashion, Nixon lied and innocents died. He promised the Saigon goverment if they rejected anything LBJ offered, Nixon would give them a better deal. A few weeks ago, I visited the Vietnam Memorial. While Nixon is not to blame for all the names from mid-1968 on, the blood of many were on his hands. In the end, Nixon betrayed the South Vietnamese and thousands of Americans in uniform he condemned to death. Reagan repeated this shameful dirty trick, negotiating a deal with the Ayatollah Khomeni for personal gain. Reagan's campaign manager and eventual CIA director William Casey offered rich rewards if Iran held our hostages long enough to ensure Reagan the White House 1980. Iran complied, and released our hostages almost simultaneously as Reagan took the oath of office. Unlike Nixon, Reagan kept his end of his corrupt bargain when he sent planes loaded with missiles and spare parts to the outlaw regime which kidnapped our diplomats and supported the terrorists who killed 240 US Marines in Beirut. That was the "Iran" part of the Iran-Contra scandal. Claims Reagan "won the Cold War" are among the most ludicrous commonly held notions since people believed the world was flat. Reagan did nothing to encourage the coup which brought down Gorbachev, or to ensure that the military would back Yeltsin rather than their militant generals. In fact, the opposite is true. Even after he left office, Reagan visited the USSR and proclaimed it was no longer an evil empire. He assured the world that his friend Gorbachev would continue leading the Soviet Union for years to come. Mere months later, the Soviet Union was no more, no thanks to Reagan. Reagan put all the American eggs in the Gorbachev basket. Reagan never promoted Yeltsin or free elections as an alternative to the "Evil Empire" Soviet system. For most of his time in office Reagan's rash irrepsonsible comments and wasteful overspending on the military only empowered and provoked the most hard-line Soviets. Reagan spent a lot, but came along too late to win the Cold War. Reagan nearly sparked World War III. Yuri Andropov placed the USSR on the highest military alert as his and Reagan's mutual animosity nearly killed us all. After the fall of the USSR - an event long in coming, but hastened by policies and organizations right wingers opposed like the Marshall Plan and NATO - Republicans continued to undermine our national security while arrogantly and dishonestly claiming they kept us safe. Reagan famously announced weapons proliferation, even the spread of nuclear weapons was "none of our business." Washington Post reporter Lou Cannon excoriated President Carter's advisor Jody Powell for taking this at face value, but Reagan proved he was deadly serious. Reagan armed and empowered terrorist states like Iran and Iraq, ostensibly to balance them against each other but -- many suspect -- really to enrich weapons makers who supported him since his days as General Electric pitchman. Reagan confirmed this with specific policies and by appointing proliferationists like George Schultz and Casper Weinberger to his cabinet. These right wing Republicans spent $billions of our taxes on boondoggles like $1200 coffee machines and $980 toilet seats soaking us as their rich campaign contributers cashed in with "cost plus" guaranteed profits. While some of the weapons actually worked, in the end all this profligate spending and weapons proliferation undermined our economic and national security. The Reagan administration hawked weapons to Africa, Latin America, and Arab nations like Kuwait and Saudi as well as stepping up sales to Israel. All of this destablized the planet and escalated tensions in turbulent regions into bloody conflicts. None of it kept us safe, and much of it "blew back" to hurt us such as the Reagan policies which made bin Laden and Taliban into the threats they are today. The first Bush administration carried on Reagan's recklessness. Bush and his then-Defense Secretary Dick Cheney lied to the Congress to arm Saddam Hussein and left the US taxpayers holding the bag when Iraq defaulted on loans Bush guaranteed. The entire Bush administration ignored including Bush, Cheney and Colin Powell explicit Iraqi threats and satellite photos warning them of the impending attack on Kuwait. Either GHW Bush and his top officials actually engineered the war against Iraq -- risking our national security for selfish personal and partisan reasons -- and lied to the American people about it, or else they were too stupid to keep us safe. Maybe both. Every Republican failure and / or shameful deception is on display in the current Bush administration. We saw the Nixon / Reagan tradition of double-dealing in their efforts to seduce the Taliban into a pipeline deal by pulling back the attack subs and other protections established by Clinton's policies. Bush also ordered our FBI and CIA to "back off" the bin Laden terrorists who saw this weakness and attacked -- just as they did slaughtering our marines in Beirut during the Reagan years. In this case, more than 3000 Americans died due to Republican failure to keep us safe. As Reagan did went his reckless policies failed, Bush responded by attacking another country to distract attention. Will it work as well this time? If not, will Bush keep attacking one nation after another to trick the voters? In any case, here's the bottom line: Bush is doing exactly what Osama bin Laden wanted him to do, and not doing anything to keep us safe. This Bush administration, the prior Bush, Reagan, Nixon and Republicans in Congress and the media have maintained an unbroken Republican tradition of failing to keep us safe dating back to the 1930s -- at least. This shameful legacy of Republican failure actually dates back to the early ninteen hundreds when the short-sighted isolationist Republicans undermined Woodrow Wilson's leadership during World War One back in 1917. Republicans in Congress compunded this blocking US participation in the League of Nations, and undermining Wilson's other post-war diplomatic efforts which might have prevented the rise of fascism and World War II. As AWOL Bush, a personal coward and liar misleads us into fearing phantoms he fails to address real threats. Worse, his master manipulators led by Karl Rove maximize our fears for selfish and partisan gain. We're lucky to be here as we're entering the second century of gross Republican failure to keep us safe, but how much longer can we squander American blood and money? For several decades, Democrats and sensible Republicans managed to preserve American freedom and security despite rabid right wing opposition, deceit, even double-dealing to empower our enemies. It's time to restore the republic, our economy and our national security by removing right wing Republicans from power.
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Post by halva on Nov 17, 2006 22:50:34 GMT -5
It is not only "right wingers" who like blaming Democrats for e everything bad that happens. Anti-nuclear campaigner Helen Caldicott in her book "The New Nuclear Danger" lays the blame on Bill Clinton that no meaningful action in the direction of nuclear disarmament was taken following the collapse of the Soviet Union.
Her theory is that because Clinton was a draft-dodger against Vietnam (something bad to be, apparently) he was at a psychological disadvantage against the military and therefore lacking in the determination needed to stand up to them on nuclear weapons issues.
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Post by socrates on Nov 17, 2006 23:37:50 GMT -5
Clinton I think stopped the nuclear testing. So he did do some good. And that was a victory for Greenpeace also.
I think sometimes we take chemtrails for granted, that they have been doing this for the longest time. Well, it hasn't been that many years, and they are too stupid to pull this off. They know it. We know it. Paul Moyer knows it.
So it's coming down to it's gonna have to stop or they will be busted.
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Post by halva on Nov 18, 2006 6:09:57 GMT -5
When considering why the best opportunity for a radical nuclear disarmament initiative since World War II was blown after the Soviet collapse, the anti-nuclear movements should point the finger not at Clinton but at themselves.
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Post by Swamp Gas on Nov 18, 2006 9:42:37 GMT -5
Clinton is a Right-Winger disguised as a "liberal". First and foremost, like his wife, Lieberman, and other so-called Democrats, they are Globalists.
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Post by halva on Nov 18, 2006 22:21:30 GMT -5
Correct, and the European globalist gatekeeper Left work hand-in-glove with them.
But the European globalist gatekeeper Left is also supposed to be committed to European integration, which is stalled now, for two reasons: firstly the content of their politics is so anti-popular that they can't get support for it. Europeans prefer to stick with the "devils they know": their national goverrnments. The "European Constitution" was rejected by the French and the Dutch and its promoters have run out of ideas. One of its most heroic supporters, former Greek Socialist prime-minister Kostas Simitis, who seems to have been hoping to become president of the European Commission, was stabbed in the back by the Greek political establishment and sent to cool his heels in retirement. The Eurocrats have recently called on him to tell them what they should do next, but in fact none of them including Simitis now, can do anything.
The other obstacle to the European globalist gatekeeper Left's plans is the United States. it is only by keeping the US in the game, marginalizing 9/11 "conspiracy theorists" chemtrails activists, and so on, that the gatekeeper Left can continue appearing "Left". Politicians like Bush, Cheney and company have to be kept strong so that the gatekeeper Left can protest about them, complain about them. "oppose" them. They are not willing to become the real "bad guys" themselves. They are content with the role of being two-faced, hypocritical assistants.
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Post by socrates on Nov 30, 2006 7:43:09 GMT -5
Tennessean.Com has come out with a debunker disinfo piece on "chemtrails". Jet trails just water vapor, not sprayed chemicals, experts sayBy ANNE PAINE Staff Writer Blue skies have been turning white this month as airplane traffic crisscrosses the sky. The trails that jets leave behind grow, creating thin, cirrus-style clouds that aviation officials say result from water vapor from engine exhausts and in the air turning to ice crystals. At least two Nashvillians aren't convinced. They subscribe to a concept that chemicals are being sprayed from planes. "Why are there times that you don't see them at all?" said Scott Webb. "That's regardless of weather." Lynn Lowrance, spokeswoman for the Metro Nashville Airport Authority, said it is, in fact, a matter of the weather. The jet trails — called contrails — can disappear quickly, she said. When the air is moist and it's colder, the trails can spread in a chain reaction as water vapor turns into ice particles. Feathery clouds result. "They don't pose any health risk," Lowrance said. Scott and Guy Avery, a local running coach, disagree, pointing to articles and talk on the Internet alleging that the government is spraying chemicals from planes, perhaps for experimentation. "Chemtrails," as they're called on Web sites, have been a topic for several years, with unmarked military planes often accused of releasing them. Representatives of Fort Campbell, which only has helicopters, the Tennessee Air National Guard, which has 10 marked propeller planes here, and a U.S. Air Force spokesman in Washington, D.C., said this week they do no such releases. A NASA researcher said contrails are a cause for concern, but it's not related to chemicals. A study has shown that the thin, cirrus clouds that plane exhausts can trigger are trapping heat next to the earth, said Pat Minnis, a NASA senior research scientist in Hampton, Va., and a Vanderbilt University graduate. As air traffic increases, cirrus cloud coverage over the U.S. is rising by 1 percent a decade, Minnis said. "A single plane can produce a rather large cloud," he said. After 9/11, when all but a few planes were grounded, scientists had a chance to see that one lone military plane's contrail extended over Ohio and Pennsylvania, he said. The icy cloud eventually covered about 6,170 square miles. While NASA papers indicate that the impact on temperature of plane-produced clouds is significant, not everyone agrees, Minnis said. "Whether or not it's a global climate problem, we'll see," he said. More research is going on to try to determine that. • Tennessean Forum CommentsHere one can see how chemtrails are linked to the internet and kookiness. One can also see how a few sincere people can keep hope alive by not letting dumbass debunkers spread their lies unchecked. Here is a comment posted by an individual named in the article. He found it curious why he was mentioned but not quoted. He seems to understand the hidden agenda to deter sincere discussion about "chemtrails" through the guilt by tinfoil association methodology. "... I wanted to be clear that I feel that Anne Paine - who initiated the reporting on this story - took a risk to simply report on this story, which is very admirable. Very few mainstream papers in the country have even investigated this subject despite what is apparently a frequent and obvious observation by many in cities around this country and around the world. The observations are from concerned citizens who care about what is happening and are simply asking good questions that deserve answers and reporting from our media channels. My comments about the bias and misleading nature of the story were very specifically directed at The Tennessean and Gannett News. Why my name would be mentioned without any quote connected with me, is beyond my understanding. Maybe my quotes stumped the people doing the whitewashing of what is so obvious to so many who are seeing what is going on. At least represent me with my own words -- of which many were provided -- not with an ambiguous and misleading interpretation of how I might be connected to this subject being brought to light. I do feel it is very irresponsible to do this, but the agenda to discredit started with the headline that prematurely drew a conclusion for the average reader who does not do much independent thinking and is fearful of even looking up in the skies with their own eyes. My assumption, right or wrong, was that there was significant editing that created the final story - including the highly biased headline and highly biased angle that was taken. This is a clear sign that The Tennessean wanted to draw a conclusion for the reader instead of present both sides of this story and let the reader draw their own conclusion. It was a complete mis-direct and fizzle-out -- which is sadly, a very common media (and propaganda) technique. I encourage all of the people who want to find out more about this subject, to scour the internet for good sources of information by credible people. The meterologist on www.weatherwars.info was not a failed weatherman as someone mentioned here, but a very successful one who also explains in clear scientific language with clear photos what he has observed in detail and over time. All one needs to do is read more in-depth and not draw quick conclusions from a prejudiced glance at this particular web site, like one poster did here. Certainly scouring the internet requires a skeptical eye, but most of us are keenly aware that the mainstream media channels are for the most part, the least reliable of all sources because of their structures, demands, agendas and obvious conflicts of interest. In addition, we all know that reporters for daily newspapers simply do not have the time to investigate a story of this magnitude without getting set-back in some way. Then, they are limited in space (word counts), and also by the editing hierarchies, which most liklely had a big hand in this one in particular. One deletion can change the whole context and balance of a short article like this. Two deletions can literally render a short article something that is completely opposite its original version. In addition, it is very common for reporters (and editors), over time, to become "trained" to give the least information possible because deadlines are more rewarded rather than substance. A switch to one of the ultimate sound-bite news companies like Gannett - would only prioritize this reporting approach even more. I cannot say that I know what is being sprayed but I know that it is something out-of-the-ordinary and we are definitely not being given legitimate answers by any "experts" - who are conveniently mentioned anonymously, for instance, in this article. Do I think the sky may be getting sprayed with poisons as a by-product of weather control testing? I believe it is certainly a distinct possibility, but I am also open to hearing answers that explain this is not the case -- but the ones we are getting from officials, do not make any sense. For example, what "Rev" posted is excellent information that all of the naysayers here have not addressed at all as they insist on hiding beyond their fear-based sarcasm. In addition, one poster mentioned this is normal flight activity and that planes can fly this close yet it is obvious to all of us observing that this is not the case at all - not by FAA standards or by the witness of our own eyes, experience and photos. A huge solution is for someone to simply set up a video of a day's sky activity and time-lapse it for the media. You would be a hero of mine! Basically, what is happening visually in the sky, speaks volumes without words, and even the naysayers, who so desperately fear conspiracies yet do not trust their own vision, might actually feel some personal and communal concern. The fact remains that neither the naysayers or the concerned citizens have many facts on either side. However, what is happening in the sky is undeniable! It is my sincere hope that this story (and the seven-photo slideshow that comes with this site's jet-trail article) raises more awareness and dialogue. I hope also that questions keep getting asked and that we all demand answers about what is happening. I feel sure that much more will keep coming to light, as the light can no longer be avoided, and I know we ALL want clean air! Let's keep asking questions and demanding answers. We just might create more courageous action!" -Guy Avery Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 9:49 pm
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Post by altitudelou on Nov 30, 2006 12:24:12 GMT -5
Guy Avery sounds like a very serious and intelligent individual and not some "Kook" of a "Chemmie" perpetuating a hoax as the Government Scientoids like Minis and debunkers or the Air Force portray people like him as, people who see what's going on and have the courage to step up and speak out regardless of the ridicule they will receive for doing so.
I,m seeing more and more people like Guy Avery who have come to realize that we are being lied to with regard to this Worldwide Chemtrail Spraying issue, we know that it's not just caused by normal "persistent contrail's", that's the "Con" of it, the lie that we are only seeing persistent contrail's when in fact it is a meteorological impossibility for persistent contrail's to form over such large, expansive areas as we are witnessing, made by aircraft that do not show up on normal FAA radar tracking, aircraft that make these trails in numbers far greater than observed normal air traffic, aircraft that are obviously being directed to affect precise areas of the sky with trails that are made with precision rather than forming as normal contrail's does and dissipates as the aircraft making it fly's across the sky.
It does not take a degree in atmospheric physics to see clearly that these aircraft are deliberately spraying material into the atmosphere and not creating persistent contrail's randomly, there is by far to much switching off and on of the so called persistent contrail's as they are freshly made, far to much precision in how the trail's are laid and where they are laid for them to be the naturally but rare occurring persistent contrail event.
How blatant are the lies becoming in the attempt to cover up this Worldwide Chemtrail Spraying crime when we have the likes of the "Tennessean.com" and an obvious agenda of bias towards the truth being put forward by so called journalist like Anne Paine who is only conveying the story as her editor dictates her to, where is the truth in reporting in the media gone in this country, where is the journalistic responsibility that people once counted on and trusted, who are these people who report the so called news today and what have they done with our real reporters and true journalist?
The media is indeed pathetic when it dodges the responsibility to inform the people, what should we call a media that enables an organization, agency or Government to cover up an ongoing crime against humanity , the ongoing crime of this Worldwide Chemtrail Spraying?
Guy Avery like so many others who are speaking out about this obvious Chemtrail Spraying should be commended for doing so, for those of us who are taking a stand against this outrage we should all take a lesson from the Sci-fi program "Battlestar Glactia" and speak to the Chemtrail Spraying issue with one deafening voice,.. "SO SAY WE ALL"
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Post by BigBunny on Nov 30, 2006 20:17:34 GMT -5
There is a logical error in the claims that persistent contrails are composed largely of ice crystals. The error is that as the atmosphere is being affected by increasing temperatures the expectation should be that the ice crystals will dissipate faster as a result of the increasing temperature. It is illogical to suggest that increased surface temperature occurs in isolation to the atmosphere above. Therefore increasing temperatures in the atmosphere should mean that the alleged ice crystals should be evaporating at a faster rate. However from observation in Australia and the U.S. this is not the case. Ergo there must be some other agent(s) involved to explain the persistence of the alleged contrails.
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Post by altitudelou on Nov 30, 2006 22:06:59 GMT -5
BigBunny,
Yet another very sound observation on your part, very good point, what do you think could be causing this phenomenon of persistent contrail's since they seems to be a recent worldwide occurrence in such mass?
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Post by marklookingup on Dec 1, 2006 2:13:47 GMT -5
WOW!!!! I just finished reading the 5 pages of comments on the Tennesean Forum. It read like it was right out of the Kitsap Sun!
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Post by BigBunny on Dec 1, 2006 7:17:46 GMT -5
Lou, it seems to me that we are witnessing a series of chemical reactions the constituents of which are comprised not only within the trail but also include constituents of the atmosphere itself. The spread of these trails seems to indicate that the chemical reaction is creating a new compound which is in turn responsible for creating the resultant haze. One point in particular to consider is that when the trails occur at the same altitude as rain-bearing clouds, the clouds do dissipate. This being so then logically speaking one of the constituents of the chemical reactions must be air vapour.
Further it seems to me that these reactions are exothermic as opposed to endothermic. If this is indeed the case then for all the alleged radiative forcing supposedly taking place may in fact have a further offset in that the Greenhouse gases are being further heated within the Troposphere.
I think it is time to lay to rest one of the greatest pieces of disinformation that has plagued this issue. The suggestion that aluminium and barium particularates are the primary constituents of these trails is a clever attempt to mislead the opponents of the trails (i.e. us). The fact that this suggestion keeps arising is more a symptom of the disinformation with which we are confronted everyday. While I understand Lou that you and I may disagree on the method of delivery because the activity that each of us observes is particular to the respective geographic region which we inhabit, the curious point is that our observations of the actual trails are very similar if not the same. This observation leads me to surmise that the scheme which is afoot has settled on the most effective formulation to achieve the desired effect with the trails. However I do not accept that aluminium and barium particularates are the preferred chemicals. I believe that sulfates are a primary constituent if not the preferred resultant compound. If barium is in the mix then it is not in its pure but as a sulfate or oxide. Further the effectiveness of aluminium particularate is negated because when it is in its purest form, this element has a proclivity to readily oxidise on contact with the atmosphere. There is one further point to consider - that is, the cost of sulphur as opposed to the other chemicals is from my understanding significantly cheaper because it is more readily available than either of the other elements.
I hope the above answers at least part of the question posed.
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Post by Swamp Gas on Dec 1, 2006 11:21:13 GMT -5
Bunny, I have always thought that spraying is manifold in its uses. For instance, we have two friends who live on the New Jersey Shore. Both vegetarians, and one watches her diet carefully. They are always getting sprayed. The female went and got some blood work done because she was feeling tired. I said for her to have a test done for titanium and/or titanium dioxide. It turned out much higher than normal, and she does not eat any foods that are high in Titanium such as wild mushrooms, and is darker skinned, so never uses sunscreen, The doctor was surprised, and tested other patients showing similar symptoms, and they too were high in titanium. This leads me to believe that at least in these cases, Titanium Dioxide is being used to stop dangerous UV-B radiation.
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Post by altitudelou on Dec 1, 2006 13:01:55 GMT -5
BigBunny,
Without question you are on the right track with regard to the nature of how the these highly unusual persistent contrail's are being made and the process that allows them to spread.
I have for some time been aware that persistent contrail's made under normal atmospheric conditions occur rarely on an infrequent hit or miss basis due to the whims of nature itself, i.e., those atmospheric conditions that occur only rarely. Therefor when making firsthand field observations of the production of persistent contrail's from contrail beginning to what appears to be a maximum spread, I believe that we are seeing the nucleation of ice crystals due to the injection of particulate matter much as you have detailed in your description above.
I have also thought for some time that the Aluminum Oxide / Barium salts issue was being used as buffer materials mixed with other fine particulate substances in an effort to find the best means of nucleation that affords the maximum dispersion of the manufactured persistent contrail cloud, whether or not the Aluminum / Barium elements where an outright ruse I can not say but it is a distinct possibility, if we keep seeing high spikes of Aluminum in water and soil samples then we must consider that it is part of chemical makeup that goes into the production of the persistent contrail's formation.
I do not believe that it is a coincidence that in the early 1990's the United States Air Force Academy taught classes in atmospheric chemistry titled "Chemtrail's", since the discovery of several of the course study manuals where found in the Kent State University Library there has been a quiet recall / censoring of those manuals by the government, removing any trace of them from existence, someone recently tried to view the manuals at the Kent State Library and was told that they are no longer available, it seems that someone wants to erase the history, the origin of Chemtrail's that began with the United States Air Force.
What differences of opinion that we may have only go to better understanding the how, what and why of this ongoing Chemtrail spraying worldwide through our mutual debate on the issue and is in no way detrimental to the learning curve we have set upon, ultimately there is going to be some sort of disclosure of this spraying programs(s) but all that we can do in the mean time is keep the public awareness active and provide the best possible information that we can based on our combined observations as we are doing here now.
These Aerosol Crimes that we see taking place over our heads can not stand.
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Post by socrates on Dec 1, 2006 13:36:53 GMT -5
I wouldn't have such a problem with the constant chatter about aluminum and barium if there wasn't such a disregard for the properties of sulfates. It is as if we are being herded into this one area. And then when one sees that the geoengineering ideas get little mention at Carnicom and CTC, yet there is plenty being said about barium, mind control, population culling, ufo's, HAARP, how global warming is a hoax, how the sun is to blame for the warming going on, etc., I really start to think barium and aluminum might be complete disinfo. Yet I won't go that far. What is most disturbing to me is the lack of discussion about the properties of sulfates and other forms of "good pollution". (I know, good pollution is an oxymoron.)
They are obviously creating fake cloud cover. When I witness this, I always see it being done in relation to the sun's position. Arcadia says he first learned about chemtrails when he went researching into volcanos. Volcanos release sulfur into the atmosphere. Many articles will lead one to learn about the effects of Mt. Pinatubo, how the releases brought about measurable cooling properties. One could also look at the Dust Bowl of the 30s, the Okies, to see how aerosols can dim the sun.
Then when one learns that the USAF doesn't have to comply with sulfur specifications that the commercial flights do, it really makes one wonder why sulfates aren't mentioned that much. Oh yeah, Clifford Carnicom came out with his barium comments. He also came out theorising that the spraying had to do with biological innoculations or whatnot. He comes out and says his board will not allow lame debunkers. I think that guy has left the building. I don't think that board is worth anything anymore, if it ever was.
Perhaps they are trying to destroy hurricanes, protect from the uv-b rays, and experiment on the geoengineering ideas that have been well documented. Perhaps they are also trying to warm up the planet, in a cynical ploy to get the geoengineering legalised.
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Post by altitudelou on Dec 1, 2006 14:08:58 GMT -5
Socrates wrote,
"Then when one learns that the USAF doesn't have to comply with sulfur specifications that the commercial flights do, it really makes one wonder why sulfates aren't mentioned that much." ___________________________________________________
True Socrates, the military is exempt from sulfur content regulations as a fuel additive but we are still talking about an additive to produce lubrication and pollution in parts per million, this is finite pollution as compared to what we are seeing being done with the spraying, perhaps no one is talking about direct sulfur injection because of the adverse affects it will have on the environment,.....maybe that's exactly what we should be talking about.
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Post by altitudelou on Dec 6, 2006 1:40:22 GMT -5
For those who would like to obtain proof positive of the Chemtrail Spraying the information in the link below can be used to gauge humidity levels at altitude that determine whether or not persistent contrail's can or can not form if your so inclined to use it. watchthesky.org/chems/chemdata.htmScroll down to,...."What Can You Do to Help Stop the Spraying?? (Persistent Contrail Dubunking: Home edition)" Follow the links in the text,....If you suspect that there is spraying, It's fairly easy to get the upper air data for your area that will prove conclusively that the trail's are just normal contrail's or that they are spraying something.
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Post by altitudelou on Dec 6, 2006 18:07:18 GMT -5
WOW, IT WORKS ! The archived meteorological upper air weather data for the southern Maine area on Saturday, November 25, 2006 proves beyond doubt that the hundreds of contrail's made that day in our region that spread out and became so called persistent contrail's was in reality Chemtrail Spraying as the data shows that the (RH) relative humidity starting at 20.0000 ft. was only 30% remaining within that percentage range up to approximately 30.0000 ft. at which the relative humidity became undetectable. See Upper Air Data 11/25/06 / Gray, ME. weather.uwyo.edu/cgi-bin/sounding?region=naconf&TYPE=TEXT%3ALIST&YEAR=2006&MONTH=11&FROM=2500&TO=2600&STNM=74389&REPLOT=1Since jet contrail's need a (RH) relative humidity of 60% plus at -40 C. to produce persistent contrail's the large number of jets that we observed on Saturday, November 25th making contrail's that turned into persistent contrail's that day could not have been naturally forming persistent contrail's as the atmospheric conditions where far outside the range necessary for there production according to the most reliable upper air meteorological data available. Considering that the aircraft in question where flying at an altitude of 31.000 ft. to 36.000 ft., that coupled with the upper air data supporting that persistent contrail's could not form over my area here in southern Maine on Saturday, November 25th together with the photos that I took that day the only logical conclusion that anyone can draw from this evidence is that Chemtrail Spraying was taking place that day here in our Maine and bordering New Hampshire sky's. Photos taken on Saturday, November 25, 2006 Parsonsfield and Cornish, Maine. These are not and can not be persistent contrail's according to the upper air data for my region as it was impossible for persistent contrail's to form at the altitude the aircraft where flying at here that day. #1. s122.photobucket.com/albums/o245/Lou_A/?action=view¤t=2006_1125Chems0001.jpg#2. s122.photobucket.com/albums/o245/Lou_A/?action=view¤t=2006_1125Chems0002.jpg#3. s122.photobucket.com/albums/o245/Lou_A/?action=view¤t=2006_1125Chems0003.jpg#4. s122.photobucket.com/albums/o245/Lou_A/?action=view¤t=2006_1125Chems0005.jpg#5. s122.photobucket.com/albums/o245/Lou_A/?action=view¤t=2006_1125Chems0006.jpg#6. s122.photobucket.com/albums/o245/Lou_A/?action=view¤t=2006_1125Chems0007.jpgThis is proof positive that we are seeing Chemtrail Spraying Operations being carried out in our atmosphere, please use the information at watchthesky.org/chems/chemdata.htm and you to can prove that they are spraying in your region as well. Let the debunkers and official liars try and get around this evidence, there is no way the truth can be denied, this Chemtrail Spraying can not continue, we see it, now we can prove it !
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Post by altitudelou on Dec 6, 2006 19:16:58 GMT -5
Sorry those photo links are screwed up, I just don't seem to be able to get them in whole, had the same problem at CTC today.
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