Post by socrates on Nov 22, 2006 20:34:37 GMT -5
I had forgotten about this thread over at Carnicom's forum. When I had first come across it a few months back, it really stood out to me at the time as being very strange.
Spraying NOT mitigating Global Warming?
posted by AltNews: Then please explain this massive research study entitled:
Policy Implications of Greenhouse Warming: Mitigation, Adaptation, and the Science Base - Panel on Policy Implications of Greenhouse Warming that was authorized by Congress and sponsored by the National Academy of Sciences.
NAS Panel
Represented were senior researchers, faculty, theoreticians, atmospheric scientists, department heads and CEO's from a multitude of prestigious institutions. The Smithsonian, Harvard, General Motors, Cambridge, MIT, Yale, World Resources Institute, National Center for Atmospheric Research, the Secretary General of the United Nations, Oxford, Brookings Institution, Columbia University, Oak Ridge National Laboratory, Carnegie-Mellon University, Princeton University, Brown University, Lawrence Livermore Laboratory, and many more.
Their conclusion was that the most cost effective way of mitigating global greenhouse warming was to use commercial aircraft and other fleets of aircraft to disperse dust throughout the atmosphere. Using what are known as "Welsbach Materials" which is a barium / aluminum cocktail.
There is hard evidence that this IS to mitigate global warming, please explain what you know about this research study, and why all claims that it is to mitigate global warming are misinfo in your mind.
This appears to be the smoking gun on the aerosol spraying to me.
Thanks
-Damian at AltNews.INFO
Posted by Kola: give me the physical mailing address to altnews and i will personally respond to your inquiry.
kola
posted by Kola: I will wait for your reply, Captain De-bunker...
BTW I saw no evidence, data or studies concerning health safety issues regarding alum and barium. Maybe I missed it. If so, please point it out to me.
k-man
posted by AltNews: Captain de-bunker? What are you talking about?
Check out page 447 of the report.
Screening Out Some Sunlight
Another option for mitigating a global warming would be to try to control the global radiation balance by limiting the amount of incoming radiation from the sun. This could be done by increasing the reflectivity of the earth, i.e., the albedo. Proposals for increasing the whiteness of roofs and surface features would have some effect, but only a fraction of incident solar radiation reaches the earth's surface and a purposeful change in albedo would have more impact if done high in the atmosphere. According to Ramanathan (1980, an increase in planetary albedo of just 0.5 percent is sufficient to halve the effect of a CO2 doubling. Placing a screen in the atmosphere or low earth orbit could take several forms: it could involve changing the quantity or character of cloud cover, it could take the form of a continuous sheet, or it could be divided into many ''mirrors" or a cloud of dust. Preliminary characterizations of some of the possibilities that might be considered are provided below.
posted by AltNews: Now consider this patent, where the Assignee of the patent is Hughes Aircraft, otherwise known as Ratheon.
Stratospheric Welsbach seeding for reduction of global warming
Abstract
A method is described for reducing atmospheric or global warming resulting from the presence of heat-trapping gases in the atmosphere, i.e., from the greenhouse effect. Such gases are relatively transparent to sunshine, but absorb strongly the long-wavelength infrared radiation released by the earth. The method incudes the step of seeding the layer of heat-trapping gases in the atmosphere with particles of materials characterized by wavelength-dependent emissivity. Such materials include Welsbach materials and the oxides of metals which have high emissivity (and thus low reflectivities) in the visible and 8-12 micron infrared wavelength regions.
posted by exxtra firm: chemtrails are about mind control and population reduction.
anything else is a "spin".
posted by AltNews: Well, that's pretty naive of you to think, man, especially in the face of evidence and studies and patents about it being about Global Warming.
Refute the evidence, don't submit speculation.
posted by Kola: yeah..like all the evidence and studies done in the 50's that said, Quote:"Cigarette smoking does not cause lung cancer"
..and all the fudged studies,research and hotshot MD's who stated, "once a C-section always a C-section"
...and all the "supposed" studies that claimed margarine was more healthy for you than butter.. (funny how the truth was later revealed regarding the dangers of hydrogenated fats)
,,how about the bullcrap studies stating that bottle fed formula was better than breast milk??? just another example of politico-medico-industrial shenanigans.
not to mention the CDC and the FDA's lies about vaccines wiping out diseases. They lied about that and they continue to lie about the link between mercury and Autism.
So tell us altnews...where is your business located? You come here talking big s h i t...well its time to wipe your sorry a s s and reveal yourself. You want to pretend like your postings are legitimate but hide behind some trashy psuedonym. Come clean pal. Lets see what you got besides worthless debunking articles dreamed up by computer geeks who can't find a date.
kola
posted by Kola: alt..just a reminder of the rules of this forum;
"....The purpose here is to continue research and to support activism and education on the aerosol operations issue. The conclusion within is that the aerosol operations are a reality, and this message board is no longer a forum for debate. Lame, unsubstantiated, non-comprehensive arguments will not be provided with a repetitive forum..."
we can easily unplug yur a s s in a second.
chow.
posted by AltNews: Wow, kola.. I think you should take your own advice, man!
What's this about "Lame, unsubstantiated, non-comprehensive arguments will not be provided with a repetitive forum"
And you bring up 15 strawmen about the FDA?
What are you smoking, pal?
I didn't come here to fight, I came with a solid study stating the cause of what we are seeing in our skies, that I have sourced, and documented for you with links, so we could all see that there IS something to the global warming connection, and yet, what, you think I'm providing an Unsubstantiated claim?
and you're gonna "unplug my a s s" ?
What is that a threat?
Why do you want to know my physical address, and where I work?
I agree with you, by the way on the vaccines.. but that has nothing to do with the studies I've researched, and the evidence I am presenting, it's just another strawman, and adding to your further insulting ad hominems, this means nothing to me. You're some nobody on a web forum, dood. And I don't have a life?
What's been dreamed up, I provided you with the resources for this study, all reputable, and all credible. This study was done by the National Academy of Sciences. What do you want? I'm not pointing you some geocities site here, this is the NAS.
Who are you? What are your credentials? Cause til I know who I'm talking to, YOU are unsubstantiated, and your opinion is meaningless to me.
Bring something to the table, don't just ad hominem and strawman your way through my argument.
Later,
AltNews
posted by Kola: alt..no time or energy of mine is worth your so-called "argument"...the REAL people on this site know who I am and what I do for a living...your debunker role is not appreciated or tolerated here. ta-ta.
enuf' said..
kola
posted by AltNews: Whatever, then you've closed your mind off to the truth then, or anything that doesn't fit into your myopic viewpoint of the world, and that's utterly sad.
I don't care what anyone else thinks of you, or what you think of me. That's not what I'm here for.
I have presented some very solid evidence to suggest that the aerial spraying we are seeing is in fact, intended for Global Warming, and like all hypothesis', until you can prove my hypothesis wrong, it stands.
I'm not trying to DEBUNK anything at all. I'm providing evidence, solid study, and science.
Take it or leave it. I don't care.
posted by Kola: ok..goodbye..lol
posted by greyvan3: AltNews: Be careful, you are upsetting the "Moonbats" with your clear thinking!
posted by bwatty: Its sad to see such aggressive and dogmatic adherace to a single view on this important yet unexplained phenomenon. Some may think that they have the monopoly on the "secret truth" of chemtrails, but they usually cite multiple explanations to cover the bases (global warming, extermination, ufo's, secret societies, warfare, etc).
Its obvious that something is happening up there that could not be without governmental sanction and the facts are not being presented freely to the people.
Lets hear all of the voices who want to honestly chime in on the subject and then sift out the truth for ourselves. Berating and banning people for stating facts (or citing sources) which don't fit one pre-conceived mindset has a chilling effect on contribution to this board and does harm to the goals of gathering information on chemtrails in a single clearinghouse and providing a forum to rationally discuss that information.
posted by Kola: bwatty..this is what Cliff Carnicom states as his forum policy..and I agree with him 100%.
Quote:
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"The objectives of this message board have been reorganized and redefined. The purpose here is to continue research and to support activism and education on the aerosol operations issue. The conclusion within is that the aerosol operations are a reality, and this message board is no longer a forum for debate. Lame, unsubstantiated, non-comprehensive arguments will not be provided with a repetitive forum. The multitude of citizens that form this group within are now encouraged to network and organize at a higher level. Those that choose to continue to debate will need to establish or locate a forum elsewhere. This board is dedicated to individual and organized activism, education and continued research. The top level link for this forum is located at: pub8.ezboard.com/bchemtrails and primary energies will be directed to that point. Participation within this message board is a privilege. Clifford E Carnicom Dec 6 2001 "
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In summary:
This is not a forum to DEBATE THE ISSUE..there are plenty of other webpages to to do that..if you or anyone else want other information feel free to look elsewhere as many of these same de-bunkers post on multiple sites.
Sincerely,
kola
Spraying NOT mitigating Global Warming?
posted by AltNews: Then please explain this massive research study entitled:
Policy Implications of Greenhouse Warming: Mitigation, Adaptation, and the Science Base - Panel on Policy Implications of Greenhouse Warming that was authorized by Congress and sponsored by the National Academy of Sciences.
NAS Panel
Represented were senior researchers, faculty, theoreticians, atmospheric scientists, department heads and CEO's from a multitude of prestigious institutions. The Smithsonian, Harvard, General Motors, Cambridge, MIT, Yale, World Resources Institute, National Center for Atmospheric Research, the Secretary General of the United Nations, Oxford, Brookings Institution, Columbia University, Oak Ridge National Laboratory, Carnegie-Mellon University, Princeton University, Brown University, Lawrence Livermore Laboratory, and many more.
Their conclusion was that the most cost effective way of mitigating global greenhouse warming was to use commercial aircraft and other fleets of aircraft to disperse dust throughout the atmosphere. Using what are known as "Welsbach Materials" which is a barium / aluminum cocktail.
There is hard evidence that this IS to mitigate global warming, please explain what you know about this research study, and why all claims that it is to mitigate global warming are misinfo in your mind.
This appears to be the smoking gun on the aerosol spraying to me.
Thanks
-Damian at AltNews.INFO
Posted by Kola: give me the physical mailing address to altnews and i will personally respond to your inquiry.
kola
posted by Kola: I will wait for your reply, Captain De-bunker...
BTW I saw no evidence, data or studies concerning health safety issues regarding alum and barium. Maybe I missed it. If so, please point it out to me.
k-man
posted by AltNews: Captain de-bunker? What are you talking about?
Check out page 447 of the report.
Screening Out Some Sunlight
Another option for mitigating a global warming would be to try to control the global radiation balance by limiting the amount of incoming radiation from the sun. This could be done by increasing the reflectivity of the earth, i.e., the albedo. Proposals for increasing the whiteness of roofs and surface features would have some effect, but only a fraction of incident solar radiation reaches the earth's surface and a purposeful change in albedo would have more impact if done high in the atmosphere. According to Ramanathan (1980, an increase in planetary albedo of just 0.5 percent is sufficient to halve the effect of a CO2 doubling. Placing a screen in the atmosphere or low earth orbit could take several forms: it could involve changing the quantity or character of cloud cover, it could take the form of a continuous sheet, or it could be divided into many ''mirrors" or a cloud of dust. Preliminary characterizations of some of the possibilities that might be considered are provided below.
posted by AltNews: Now consider this patent, where the Assignee of the patent is Hughes Aircraft, otherwise known as Ratheon.
Stratospheric Welsbach seeding for reduction of global warming
Abstract
A method is described for reducing atmospheric or global warming resulting from the presence of heat-trapping gases in the atmosphere, i.e., from the greenhouse effect. Such gases are relatively transparent to sunshine, but absorb strongly the long-wavelength infrared radiation released by the earth. The method incudes the step of seeding the layer of heat-trapping gases in the atmosphere with particles of materials characterized by wavelength-dependent emissivity. Such materials include Welsbach materials and the oxides of metals which have high emissivity (and thus low reflectivities) in the visible and 8-12 micron infrared wavelength regions.
posted by exxtra firm: chemtrails are about mind control and population reduction.
anything else is a "spin".
posted by AltNews: Well, that's pretty naive of you to think, man, especially in the face of evidence and studies and patents about it being about Global Warming.
Refute the evidence, don't submit speculation.
posted by Kola: yeah..like all the evidence and studies done in the 50's that said, Quote:"Cigarette smoking does not cause lung cancer"
..and all the fudged studies,research and hotshot MD's who stated, "once a C-section always a C-section"
...and all the "supposed" studies that claimed margarine was more healthy for you than butter.. (funny how the truth was later revealed regarding the dangers of hydrogenated fats)
,,how about the bullcrap studies stating that bottle fed formula was better than breast milk??? just another example of politico-medico-industrial shenanigans.
not to mention the CDC and the FDA's lies about vaccines wiping out diseases. They lied about that and they continue to lie about the link between mercury and Autism.
So tell us altnews...where is your business located? You come here talking big s h i t...well its time to wipe your sorry a s s and reveal yourself. You want to pretend like your postings are legitimate but hide behind some trashy psuedonym. Come clean pal. Lets see what you got besides worthless debunking articles dreamed up by computer geeks who can't find a date.
kola
posted by Kola: alt..just a reminder of the rules of this forum;
"....The purpose here is to continue research and to support activism and education on the aerosol operations issue. The conclusion within is that the aerosol operations are a reality, and this message board is no longer a forum for debate. Lame, unsubstantiated, non-comprehensive arguments will not be provided with a repetitive forum..."
we can easily unplug yur a s s in a second.
chow.
posted by AltNews: Wow, kola.. I think you should take your own advice, man!
What's this about "Lame, unsubstantiated, non-comprehensive arguments will not be provided with a repetitive forum"
And you bring up 15 strawmen about the FDA?
What are you smoking, pal?
I didn't come here to fight, I came with a solid study stating the cause of what we are seeing in our skies, that I have sourced, and documented for you with links, so we could all see that there IS something to the global warming connection, and yet, what, you think I'm providing an Unsubstantiated claim?
and you're gonna "unplug my a s s" ?
What is that a threat?
Why do you want to know my physical address, and where I work?
I agree with you, by the way on the vaccines.. but that has nothing to do with the studies I've researched, and the evidence I am presenting, it's just another strawman, and adding to your further insulting ad hominems, this means nothing to me. You're some nobody on a web forum, dood. And I don't have a life?
What's been dreamed up, I provided you with the resources for this study, all reputable, and all credible. This study was done by the National Academy of Sciences. What do you want? I'm not pointing you some geocities site here, this is the NAS.
Who are you? What are your credentials? Cause til I know who I'm talking to, YOU are unsubstantiated, and your opinion is meaningless to me.
Bring something to the table, don't just ad hominem and strawman your way through my argument.
Later,
AltNews
posted by Kola: alt..no time or energy of mine is worth your so-called "argument"...the REAL people on this site know who I am and what I do for a living...your debunker role is not appreciated or tolerated here. ta-ta.
enuf' said..
kola
posted by AltNews: Whatever, then you've closed your mind off to the truth then, or anything that doesn't fit into your myopic viewpoint of the world, and that's utterly sad.
I don't care what anyone else thinks of you, or what you think of me. That's not what I'm here for.
I have presented some very solid evidence to suggest that the aerial spraying we are seeing is in fact, intended for Global Warming, and like all hypothesis', until you can prove my hypothesis wrong, it stands.
I'm not trying to DEBUNK anything at all. I'm providing evidence, solid study, and science.
Take it or leave it. I don't care.
posted by Kola: ok..goodbye..lol
posted by greyvan3: AltNews: Be careful, you are upsetting the "Moonbats" with your clear thinking!
posted by bwatty: Its sad to see such aggressive and dogmatic adherace to a single view on this important yet unexplained phenomenon. Some may think that they have the monopoly on the "secret truth" of chemtrails, but they usually cite multiple explanations to cover the bases (global warming, extermination, ufo's, secret societies, warfare, etc).
Its obvious that something is happening up there that could not be without governmental sanction and the facts are not being presented freely to the people.
Lets hear all of the voices who want to honestly chime in on the subject and then sift out the truth for ourselves. Berating and banning people for stating facts (or citing sources) which don't fit one pre-conceived mindset has a chilling effect on contribution to this board and does harm to the goals of gathering information on chemtrails in a single clearinghouse and providing a forum to rationally discuss that information.
posted by Kola: bwatty..this is what Cliff Carnicom states as his forum policy..and I agree with him 100%.
Quote:
------------------------------------------------------------------------
"The objectives of this message board have been reorganized and redefined. The purpose here is to continue research and to support activism and education on the aerosol operations issue. The conclusion within is that the aerosol operations are a reality, and this message board is no longer a forum for debate. Lame, unsubstantiated, non-comprehensive arguments will not be provided with a repetitive forum. The multitude of citizens that form this group within are now encouraged to network and organize at a higher level. Those that choose to continue to debate will need to establish or locate a forum elsewhere. This board is dedicated to individual and organized activism, education and continued research. The top level link for this forum is located at: pub8.ezboard.com/bchemtrails and primary energies will be directed to that point. Participation within this message board is a privilege. Clifford E Carnicom Dec 6 2001 "
------------------------------------------------------------------------
-------------------------------------------------------
In summary:
This is not a forum to DEBATE THE ISSUE..there are plenty of other webpages to to do that..if you or anyone else want other information feel free to look elsewhere as many of these same de-bunkers post on multiple sites.
Sincerely,
kola