Al Gore, the U'wa tribe, and oil profits.

[Mech]

Tiny tribe thorn in Gore's side

Al Gore has carefully cultivated his image as an environmentalist.

But now he is under fire over his close links to the oil company, Occidental Petroleum, which has begun looking for oil in the Amazon against the wishes of a tiny local tribe called the U'wa.

Full Story:

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/677105.stm

[Swamp Gas]

I'm glad you brought this up. I think you are concentrating on Al Gore too much. It is like me concentrating on Limbaugh. I use him only as a counterpoint. There are many, many more phonies and charlatans on the denial/skeptic side of Climate change and human induced global warming.

We knew this nearly 20 years ago, and yes, that and his high use of jets and energy are hypocritical.

However, the idea itself of Green being the technology that could save the US economy by getting us off foreign oil at the very least.

Beyond a shadow of doubt, I think pollution, Global Warming, GMO, pesticides, hormones, and war are draining the economy.

Lastly on Gore, He is worse than Carter or Eisenhower, Better than Reagan, Bush, Clinton, and GW Bush. He simply does not worry me as much, but Globalists are the main problem I agree, and personally, I read the hard core climatologists more than I read Gore. You are getting to the source, and can make decisions outside of the Gore VS Limbaugh battle.

[Mech]

Nope...Jimmy Carter was better than Gore.

Gore was a total DO NOTHING when he was in Klinton's White House.

I hate Gore...and his rock music hating wife Tipper.

Carter helped to try to get solar energy discounts to homeowners started...and put solar collectors on the White House roof.


As for Carters other policis....they sucked.

You can thank Jellybean brain REAGAN for turning the country away from energy efficiency. He had the solar panels removed as soon as he took office.

As far as i'm concerned...Gore is just another power hungry Elitist trying to make a name for himself and padding his king kong sized ego. Not to mention his bank account.

Not to mention he is instrumental in trying to nuke US sovereignty and empowering the UN.




I dont trust this guy...AT ALL.

[Swamp Gas]

mech said:

Nope...Jimmy Carter was better than Gore.

Read what I said, please. This is what I posted:

Lastly on Gore, He is worse than Carter or Eisenhower, Better than Reagan, Bush, Clinton, and GW Bush.

OK, now that is understood, it seems you like Gore less than GW Bush. It seems like you like Oil based energy more than Green Energy.

I just don't see the threat as much as you on the UN. I notice that a lot of Libertarians are not team players. Should we hole ourselves up from the rest of the world and peer through shutters, or collaborate and work together? Ron Paul advocates Free Trade, and yet I directly lost a job because of free trade. To me, Ron Paul's ideas are just as dangerous to me as Al Gore's are to you. You can reject all you want, but that is MY experience.

Remember................Rush Limbaugh vs Al Gore

[Mech]

I register as an independent.

Im neither a republican, democrat or libertarian.

I take the best ideas and vote for the candidate that is pro-freedom the most. Period.

Distrusting the UN is a very GOOD thing.

Im all for being a team player...but NOT in favor of supporting an ORG ROCKEFELLER helped set up and actually gave the land for it as well.

Its more complicated than just Gore VS Lush Bimbo.

Just as the "Man made" global warming debate is NOT FINISHED.

[Swamp Gas]

mech said:

Just as the "Man made" global warming debate is NOT FINISHED.

Same team that kept saying, "The debate on whether tobacco smoke causes cancer"

You know Seitz and Singer, the two sleezeballs bought out by BOTH RJ Reynolds AND Exxon Mobil.

Are we seeing a pattern here?

The debate is over on tobacco and the debate on human accelerated global warming is meeting the same fate, since there never was a debate to begin with.

I think we are spinning wheels on this, Mech. KNOWTHIS originally said something like, Who cares whether Global Warming is caused by Humans, Solar, or not at all. What is agreed upon is that we should adopt Green Technology for financial, sovereign independence, environmental, and cool reasons. We will eventually see cars, buses, trucks, trains, and planes running on Hydrogen extracted from bacteria, solar panels, turbines, Lithium Ion, and eventually Magnetic and Safe Ion Particle. If we could take out the politics, fear, and emotion out of this, it can be an evolutionary step for us.

[Mech]

I am all for these liberating technologies....although i highly doubt the elites are going to let us have them.

To me...Gore represents just another excuse to CONTROL US.

Most people think he is good because he is looking out to "save the planet"...but I truly believe its about controlling and regulating the COMMON man totally out of existance.

And people are going to be willing to go along with it because they THINK they will help "save the planet".

Even if it means they will be dead broke...and in total poverty.

That is one concern the Gore followers DO NOT address.

They wont touch it.

[Swamp Gas]

yeah, these technologies belong to the people as Tesla and Einstein said, but the Elite control the planet because the 90% of the population want leaders and not co-workers...basically lazy.

Al Gore is hypocritical, and I never denied that. I am just saying look beyond the Limbaugh vs Gore dichotomy, and see the hard science. You know damn well that I have been questioning EVERYTHING authority throws at us, the Big Bang, 9/11, JFK, mp3 technology, and so on. The "skeptical" crowd all traces back to Limbaugh, Singer, Seitz, and Ames. Al Gore is an easy target because he is not a scientist. Most of the 100,000+ that say it is human accelerated are climatologists, and the unknown amount of skeptics are mathematicians, biologists, and mostly other sciences, plus the 4 Horseman of Corporate Lies, Seitz, Singer, Ames, and Limbaugh. I think Gore is correct, but I am cautious of his approach, as there always is the potential to enslave people.

And there always is the Theory that global warming precedes an Ice age....

[Mech]

If we are going to have "leaders"...they must be humanistic.....AND care about the planet....NOT be of as terrence McKenna says..."the dominator mentality". I believe Gore is all about POWER..nothing more...nothing less.

A scientific approach to resolving problems is ok in the right hands....but in the wrong hands it can be just as deadly as Politics.

Gore is a Politician...plain and simple......he does not live up to the 1993 copy I own of his book "Earth in the Balance" whatsoever.

He IS a hypocrite.

To say that all who opppose Gore and the UN's (ipcc) THEORIES..on MAN-MADE global warming is "working for big tobacco and working for big oil"....is misguided and shallow.

[Swamp Gas]

mech said:

To say that all who opppose Gore and the UN's (ipcc) THEORIES..on MAN-MADE global warming is "working for big tobacco and working for big oil"....is misguided and shallow.

It is shallow to say that frauds and charlatans have a legitimate argument being "skeptics" on this issue. It has debunked so throughly.

If you have not read it, scroll down, and see further who funds Big Tobacco, Big Oil, and GMO foods

gastronamus.proboards27.com/index.cgi?board=ozoneglobalwarming&action=display&thread=1204767307

[Mech]

Just as....

You CAN'T trust Gore....

You CAN'T trust the UN.

[Mech]

Oil Baron Al Gore Disses Climate Change Skeptics

Kurt Nimmo
TruthNews
December 21, 2007

Al Gore didn’t like it one darn bit:

“More than 400 scientists challenge claims by former Vice President Al Gore and the United Nations about the threat of man-made global warming, a new Senate minority report says,” reports the Washington Times. “The scientists — many of whom are current or former members of the U.N. Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) that shares the 2007 Nobel Peace Prize with Mr. Gore for publicizing a climate crisis — cast doubt on the ’scientific consensus’ that man-made global warming imperils the planet.”

Gore, as you may recall, has declared the debate is over on climate change. Like a Soviet bureaucrat, he has testily demanded nobody pay attention to the skeptics and we get busy transforming society in the way envisioned by the IPCC and the United Nations. In other words, it is time to implement Agenda 21. Get ready to be moved off the land into a crowded urban ghetto — for the sake of the snail darters, don’t you know. It’ll be just like a scene out of Soylent Green.

As for the 400 scientists challenging Gore and the IPCC, Gore spokeswoman Kalee Kreider “said 25 or 30 of the scientists may have received funding from Exxon Mobil Corp.,” an accusation rejected by Exxon Mobil.

Gore should not be the one talking about greedy oil corporations. As it turns out, the Gore family “owns at least a quarter of a million dollars’ worth of Occidental stock.” Back in the 1990s, when Gore was in the White House, Colombia’s U’wa tribe had a bone to pick with Occidental. In 2000, Ken Silverstein wrote for the Nation:

One of the world’s hottest battles between indigenous groups and multinational oil companies is heating up in Colombia, where Occidental Petroleum is seeking to drill on land claimed by the 5,000-member U’wa tribe. Early this year, the Colombian government deployed several hundred soldiers to guard workers building a road to the multibillion-dollar project. That led to a clash in February when security forces used tear gas to break up an anti-Occidental demonstration of several hundred Indians. Three children reportedly drowned when they fell into a river as they fled from government troops.

But it is not strictly oil: “In the sixties, the Gores discovered zinc ore near land they owned in Tennessee. Through a company subsidiary Hammer bought the land for $160,000–twice the amount offered by the only other bidder. He swiftly sold the land back to Al Gore Sr. and agreed to pay him $20,000 a year for mining rights. After receiving his first payment, Gore Sr. sold the land for $140,000 to Gore Jr., who has received a $20,000 check nearly every year since he acquired it. Strangest of all, Occidental has never actually mined the land. Al Jr.’s coffers swelled further in 1985 when he began leasing the land to Union Zinc, an Occidental competitor.”

But never mind. It’s not about oil or Exxon Mobil, it’s about discrediting the opposition, as usual.

Everybody naturally hates oil barons.

It doesn’t matter if Al Gore is one.

Well stated Kurt!!!!

[Swamp Gas]

so who's telling the truth?

Al Gore and the UN


or


Big Tobacco, Big Oil, and GMO interests?


Sure, there is exaggeration on the lobbyist side and on the science side, but I still look beyond the Gore - Limbaugh crap, and see we have a problem, and Green Technology solves at least 3 major problems.

[Mech]

Definately NOT AL Gore or The UN.

I have only one word that sums it all up.

AGENDA 21.

If you know what it is....I congratulate you.

If you don't...READ IT.

It totally is a Carbon Copy he proposing for the US population if he has his way.

[Swamp Gas]

Conservatives are just simply getting too paranoid. They are more concerned with Socialism than Corporatism. Let's see, Norway, Sweden, Finland, Germany, etc. are more Socialized, and they don't seem to be having such problems with their culture. Maybe taking care of the Little Person has it's benefits.

And lastly, a quote about Agenda 21 that sums up the ideas that oppose Environmentalism, woman power, and equality concerning the Tobacco, Oil, and GMO are backed by Stooges Seitz and Singer.

www.crossroad.to/text/articles/la21_198.html

Distinguished scientists who disagree with the globalist agenda are ridiculed and said to speak for conservative interests or industry (whether or not they receive industry funding) and their scientific arguments are never heard. Some of these marginalized critics are very distinguished scientists, like Dr. Frederic Seitz, former president of the National Academies of Science and a sharp critic of ozone depletion and global warming theories, Dr. S. Fred Singer, who help establish the satellite and balloon measuring devices to track global warming, and Dr. Edward Krug, who served on NAPAAP, among others. Some, like Dr. William Happer were even fired from their jobs questioning environmental dogma (in his case, on the issue of ozone depletion).

So the question is.....Should we abolish ALL laws and have a complete anarchy? Will the UN supercede the US government?

Like I said, I am not that concerned about the UN as some people. My biggest concern is Oil, Pharmaceuticals, Israel, GMO, and War profiteers having too much power. That is the Globalization I am concerned about. Corporations in charge, and GOVERNMENTS BY THE PEOPLE AND FOR THE PEOPLE abolished because it is against the "BOTTOM LINE". The dislike of the common person runs deep in these circles. Do I want the UN dictating what I think? Of course not. Do I want government being run by corporations? Nope.