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Post by Mech on Apr 13, 2008 10:32:02 GMT -5
Alex Jones exposing the elitist plan to enslave the people of the earth through carbon taxing and using "the environment" to further entrench their fascist grip on humanity. VIDEO uk.youtube.com/watch?v=pVmk3lUYdPA
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Post by Mech on Apr 13, 2008 10:37:10 GMT -5
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Post by Swamp Gas on Apr 13, 2008 10:42:24 GMT -5
This is getting boring. Alex Jones is NOT a scientist, especially a Climatologist. His Right Wing hippy-hating roots from the 80s and 90s keep surfacing. Is it your goal for me to continue debunking his ill-informed, Exxon-Mobil influenced theories?
Yawn........ I will say it again.....Alex Jones should stick to Police State, Gun Issues, and 9/11.
Anything else he "knows not his arse from a hole in the ground", especially Social Issues and the Environment.
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Post by Mech on Apr 13, 2008 10:53:52 GMT -5
Ill certainly believe ALEX before I belive the socialist loving, UN worshipping, ROTHSCHILD/GORE propaganda machine who will stop at nothing to destroy my standard of living.
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Post by Swamp Gas on Apr 13, 2008 11:05:32 GMT -5
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Post by Mech on Apr 13, 2008 11:13:26 GMT -5
Gore is simply a left wing Limbaugh in my opinion. OCCIDENTAL PETROLEUM and ZINC MINES ring a bell? He is a total hypocrite and anything BUT an environmentalist. Enslaving people and taxing them to death will NOT better the planets environment....like the ELITES (not environmentalists) are proposing. Solutions have to be grass roots....and also market driven....inventors should be helped out for the new emerging, more benign technologies. NOT putting people back in the stone age, taxing them into serfdom and making them all have 1 or 2 children. F*k the UN and to hell with the elitist plan and their new world order.
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Post by Swamp Gas on Apr 13, 2008 11:25:27 GMT -5
But....you believe the Right Wing Limbaugh more than the Left Wing Gore?
Here's a question that I hope you will answer:
"Are you willing to cut 75% off of military spending, and put back 10% in a Carbon Tax?
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Post by Mech on Apr 13, 2008 11:42:25 GMT -5
Cut Military spending absolutely...and more importantly...begin to move our economy AWAY from the Military industrial complex...towards an economy for the betterment of humanity and start to lift EVERYONE out of poverty...and start to explore our own galaxy.
Carbon Tax?
No way.
Increased fines for polluters? Yes
Stop giving incentives and tax money for oil companies? Yes
Give people tax rebates for installing/using "green technologies"? Yes
Reward companies who implement "green technologies"? Yes
You see...I would do it differently.
Instead of punishing the working class and businesses...Id offer incentives and reward those on a better path.
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Post by KNOWTHIS on Apr 13, 2008 17:33:10 GMT -5
You have a lot of good ideas there Mech, some of which might even place you in the category of an enviro-nut just like us in some people's eyes.
Now with all of this talk about a carbon tax. Does anyone actually have any details about this tax as far as how much it would actually be and how it would be applied? I mean hard numbers.
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Post by Mech on Apr 13, 2008 18:59:38 GMT -5
You see....I understand there is a huge difference between grassroots concern and care for the environment....and the GLOBAL ELITE using "Environmentalism" to get exactly what they want.
Gore's/Rothchilds/UN Global Tax Ponzi scheme is exactly one of those.
Has nothing to do with preserving the environment and EVERYTHING to empower world government (world beauracracy) and controlling the little guy. IE ....the poor and middle class.
All the while...lining THEIR OWN pockets.$$$$$$
As George Carlin Said it.....
"Its a BIG club...and YOU aint in it!"
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Post by Swamp Gas on Apr 13, 2008 19:33:14 GMT -5
I really don't think there is a difference between us all. I know I have always used the terms "Phony" in relation to any social cause that had infiltrators, be it gun owners or vegetarians.
My gripe with Alex Jones and Company is they lump all into one "Socialist-Hippy-Commie" category, when in fact the same group was pointing out this elitism 70+ years ago in this country, long before most Conservatives and Libertarians.
A little respect is due them and us I would say. 30 years before Alex thought of JFK conspiracy, I was saying something is wrong. We were the first. ALWAYS.
The Carbon Tax is not a great idea, and I would hope people are simply smart enough to realize the future of our economy and environment are at stake, and invest in Green Technology. Time to end pollution and wars over oil.
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Post by Mech on Apr 13, 2008 22:00:22 GMT -5
We were the first. ALWAYS. Sounds like generational chauvanism to me. Does that mean new ideas from "Generation xers" as babyboomers call us.....have no merit whatsoever in the "first" liberal paradigm? Al Gore is a Babyboomer...and I think he is full of shit, an asshole hypocrite whose wife HATES rock and rap music, and a slap in the face to 1960's counterculture ideals. Makes me glad Alex is a "Gen X"er like me. but thats my wise-ass- "young punk", Gen X opinion.
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Post by KNOWTHIS on Apr 14, 2008 10:07:07 GMT -5
We were the first. ALWAYS. Sounds like generational chauvanism to me. Does that mean new ideas from "Generation xers" as babyboomers call us.....have no merit whatsoever in the "first" liberal paradigm? Al Gore is a Babyboomer...and I think he is full of shit, an asshole hypocrite whose wife HATES rock and rap music, and a slap in the face to 1960's counterculture ideals. Makes me glad Alex is a "Gen X"er like me. but thats my wise-ass- "young punk", Gen X opinion. I would compare it to the fact that Alex Jones was really the pioneer of 9/11 truth. He was the first person to really lead that charge and he’s not afraid to remind everyone that it is true. Quite frankly he has earned the right to wear those ribbons of honor and he deserves all of the kudos that he receives in that respect. Although I disagree with him at times on other issues, I would never begrudge him of that. The 70’s peace movement also deserves that same kind of recognition but often doesn’t seem to get it. And it’s not about waging generational warfare either. This current generation has really taken the baton and ran with it in terms of 9/11 truth. Take Luke Radowski of We Are Change for example. They’re the ones confronting the big dogs and staging protests. I’ve also noticed a growing trend when reading the interviews of high profile truthers in the media. A high percentage of the time it was their son or daughter who has ultimately convinced them to delve in to the topic further. I had to first break down and expose the immediate visceral reaction of both of my parents to 9/11 before I could actually reach them. We’ve experienced a number of different eras over the years and each has produced its own unique contribution to the information war if you will. All must be equally valued and respected. www.jonesreport.com/article/03_08/19dietl.htmlFox Friend Bo Dietl Questions Missing Bodies in 9/11 Remains Despite Claim that Towers 'Melted Like Potato Chips'
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Post by KNOWTHIS on Apr 14, 2008 14:44:57 GMT -5
I just replied to an e-mail from my younger step-brother who is an engineer for Boeing. I haven’t talked to him in ages it seems. I have no idea about his opinions on 9/11 or if he’s even aware of 9/11 truth. I sent him a link to LC Final Cut. I asked him to check it out if he gets a chance and get back to me on it. I also encouraged him to look up Operation Northwoods. I’m looking forward to seeing what he has to say about it. Hopefully I can initiate an informative dialogue. It might even be that he’s already aware of the alternative theories and has already formed a rigid opinion one way or the other.
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Post by Swamp Gas on Apr 14, 2008 17:26:23 GMT -5
Sounds like generational chauvanism to me. Does that mean new ideas from "Generation xers" as babyboomers call us.....have no merit whatsoever in the "first" liberal paradigm? Al Gore is a Babyboomer...and I think he is full of shit, an asshole hypocrite whose wife HATES rock and rap music, and a slap in the face to 1960's counterculture ideals. Makes me glad Alex is a "Gen X"er like me. but thats my wise-ass- "young punk", Gen X opinion. You are fixated on Al Gore and Alex Jones. Now, do you even know what the term "respect" means? It means having a place in your heart for Pioneers who paved the way so people like yourself could speak your mind. Do you seriously think that ANYTHING you are thinking about Freedom and Social Causes is unique? It was sweat over and PEOPLE DIED so you could ridicule these pioneers, and worship Johnny-Come-Latelies like Alex Jones. It was the Union Organizers, The Militiamen, The Environmentalists, The Hippies, The Pagans, The Antiwar protesters, The Civil Rights Marchers, and the Woman's Right's Activists. People like Alex Jones, Mike Rivero, Henry Makow, and the rest of the closet Conservatives were supporting Reagan back in the 80s. Stick with Gun issues, Police State, and 9/11. Everything else is tainted by a "Background Task".........Running stealth Republican and Fundmentalist ideas disguised as "Libertarian". It was up to some of these Libertarians, we would have woman pregnant in the kitchen, Corporations running everything, No government, Pollution, and everybody armed and pointing guns at each other. If that is your view of a Futuristic Culture, Then DEVO was right. We are going backwards. The 70’s peace movement also deserves that same kind of recognition but often doesn’t seem to get it. And it’s not about waging generational warfare either. This current generation has really taken the baton and ran with it in terms of 9/11 truth. Take Luke Radowski of We Are Change for example. They’re the ones confronting the big dogs and staging protests. I’ve also noticed a growing trend when reading the interviews of high profile truthers in the media. A high percentage of the time it was their son or daughter who has ultimately convinced them to delve in to the topic further. I had to first break down and expose the immediate visceral reaction of both of my parents to 9/11 before I could actually reach them. We’ve experienced a number of different eras over the years and each has produced its own unique contribution to the information war if you will. All must be equally valued and respected. Thank you, KNOWTHIS
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Post by Mech on Apr 14, 2008 17:48:39 GMT -5
Then I AM correct...you DON'T see any merit coming from Gen Xer's...as we were all "worshipping Reagan in the 80's...."
YAWN....yeah right.
By the way...some women DO want to be "in the kitchen".....and there is nothing wrong with that.
Nor is it wrong for someone to want to run a corporation and provide jobs.
Pollution is a product of just about everything you use/own Swamp.
I DON'T see everyone pointing guns at each other either.
In fact...crime goes down accordingly when LAW ABIDING citizens own guns.
But I wont get into how "progressives" are so busy in wanting to disarm everyone...in order to "feel good".
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Post by Swamp Gas on Apr 14, 2008 18:12:34 GMT -5
Then I AM correct...you DON'T see any merit coming from Gen Xer's...as we were all "worshipping Reagan in the 80's...." YAWN....yeah right. You also prove my point. No respect for the ones that paved the way. Battleship Mouths and Rowboat Asses Libertarian ideas are and will always be a fringe concept, and in fact is a rather irrational and anti-humanistic idea. Self-Centered and Paranoid. I have been listening to this Libertarian/Right Wing crap for too long, and frankly we are all tired of it. Woman want to be in the kitchen.....How Cro-Magnon of you!! Corporations running everything....How Fascistic of you!! Guns everywhere...How Dodge City of you!! Pollution makes everything I own?!! WTF are you talking about?
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Post by Mech on Apr 14, 2008 18:25:34 GMT -5
Oh poo poo pa doo...
Who says I don't respect historical figures that help exposed the globalist agenda?
Im only 36. Does that mean I don't know anything? I dont think so. I am a hell of a lot more awake (and Ready for whats coming) than most of the people my own age....so your snide comments really dont bother me.
YES...some women DO want to be in the kitchen...want to be mothers/wives etc.
I dont know why the hell you have such a hang up about that. Not all women want to be radical feminists.
Yes...Every product you own in your house as a result of its production has made pollution Swamp. Does that spell it out?
Nobody said "guns everywhere".
I never said "corporations running everything".
Libertarian ideas are most certainly not "fringe " ideas.
They are the thinking persons ideas.
BTW...If you arent "paranoid".....you aren't paying attention.
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Post by Swamp Gas on Apr 14, 2008 19:29:48 GMT -5
I dont know why the hell you have such a hang up about that. Not all women want to be radical feminists. Me? You are the one coming onto this site and spouting Nixonian Right Wing ideas. Seems to me you want them to Shut Up and get in the kitchen. But.....you like those Hippy/Pagan Chicks don't you? As long as they don't talk their philosophies.
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Post by Swamp Gas on Apr 14, 2008 19:31:06 GMT -5
Yes...Every product you own in your house as a result of its production has made pollution Swamp. Does that spell it out? No, spell in out Einstein.
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Post by Swamp Gas on Apr 14, 2008 19:35:35 GMT -5
Libertarian ideas are most certainly not "fringe " ideas. They are the thinking persons ideas. Libertarians are isolationist crackpots usually, and that is why in this country and in Europe, they have barely a blip on the radar. LibertarianismProperty is sacred Any government is bad Capitalists are noble Nietzchean heroes Worker activism is evil The poor are pampered good-for-nothings
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Post by Mech on Apr 14, 2008 19:38:18 GMT -5
I dont know why the hell you have such a hang up about that. Not all women want to be radical feminists. Me? You are the one coming onto this site and spouting Nixonian Right Wing ideas. Seems to me you want them to Shut Up and get in the kitchen. But.....you like those Hippy/Pagan Chicks don't you? As long as they don't talk their philosophies. "Nixonian ideas"...LOL Nah...my Jowls arent big enough, I dont drink that much booze and im not bought and paid for by the illuminist establishment..soo...nice try. Whatever a woman does is her own business. All I said is SOME women DO like "being in the kitchen" etc. I like ALL types of women...probably EXEPT man hating..radical feminists. Lib women, hippy women, conservative women, preppy women, tomboyish women...whatever. I dont care. If they want to roll with me they most certainly shouldnt hate masculinity or men in general.
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Post by Swamp Gas on Apr 14, 2008 19:42:41 GMT -5
You change your views when confronted by your contradictions. As long as submissive women shut up and screw then that's OK. If they want equal rights, then they are "radical feminists". Disgusting
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Post by Mech on Apr 14, 2008 19:44:23 GMT -5
Libertarian ideas are most certainly not "fringe " ideas. They are the thinking persons ideas. Libertarians are isolationist crackpots usually, and that is why in this country and in Europe, they have barely a blip on the radar. LibertarianismProperty is sacred Any government is bad Capitalists are noble Nietzchean heroes Worker activism is evil The poor are pampered good-for-nothings LOL!!! That is frikken Hilarious...and absolutely untrue. Not that I am 100% libertarian. I have some libertarian ideals. Its easier for people to try and peg someone to have a SINGLE political persuasion in order to falsify and demean their character than to actually accept that not everyone fits soooo neatly into "Left vs. Right." Or left vs.libertarian...right vs green. Ad nauseaum The #1 reason why we are all still controlled Bickering over small issues.
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Post by Swamp Gas on Apr 14, 2008 19:52:49 GMT -5
The #1 reason why we are all still controlled Bickering over small issues. Then why are you quoting Right Wing ideas if you are so "Centered"? It is not small and you are a female making 30% less than your male counterpart. It is not small if you are gay or lesbian, and are told to get back in the closet. It is not small if you live near a city, and pollution is very real It is not small if we go through extreme planetary changes I am glad your ideas are fringe if you are now exposing more and more of who your are. Maybe I should go to your site, throw links up to Alex Jones wanting to override the Constitution, and how nad Libertarians are. Would you like that? I respect other people's houses...Do you?
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Post by Mech on Apr 14, 2008 20:03:54 GMT -5
Go ahead and make threats Swamp....... "Changing work expectations are an apparent cause of women's increased focus on education, and the enrollment of women in higher education has grown much faster than that of men. Women were awarded more than 50 percent of associate's, bachelor's and master's degrees in the 1990s. Women currently earn more than 40 percent of Ph.D.s, medical and law degrees. "www.ncpa.org/pub/ba/ba392/The gap is closing on the "equal pay issue". Gay people are beginning to have more rights than they ever did...and under new employment and "hate crimes" laws. The military being the exeption. Of course...more work needs to be done. Pollution is real...and its even in the city where I work. Old toxic brownfields still need to be cleaned up from past abuse...and particulate emissions should be minimised. But....compared to how things used to be? No comparison. We are Definately going through planetary changes...and there isn't a thing we can do about that. It will get hot or cold with or without our help. I predict in the next 5 to 10 years things are going to seem absolutely unreal and happen all at once. (Another reason for all the police state measures being passed). In short...the shit is going to hit the fan. The elite have already planned for this.
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Post by Swamp Gas on Apr 14, 2008 20:09:46 GMT -5
I asked you a question, and as usual, you avoid it.
Should I go to your site, and bash Alex and Libertarians, like you do to Progressive ideas here?
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Post by Swamp Gas on Apr 14, 2008 20:16:53 GMT -5
Changing work expectations are an apparent cause of women's increased focus on education, and the enrollment of women in higher education has grown much faster than that of men. Women were awarded more than 50 percent of associate's, bachelor's and master's degrees in the 1990s. Women currently earn more than 40 percent of Ph.D.s, medical and law degrees. " [/i] www.ncpa.org/pub/ba/ba392/The gap is closing on the "equal pay issue". Gay people are beginning to have more rights than they ever did...and under new employment and "hate crimes" laws. The military being the exeption. Of course...more work needs to be done. Pollution is real...and its even in the city where I work. Old toxic brownfields still need to be cleaned up from past abuse...and particulate emissions should be minimised. But....compared to how things used to be? No comparison.[/quote] And how the hell did these things come about (even though women still do not get paid as much, and there is much homophobia)? Do you think Libertarians and Conservatives did this? Sorry to disappoint you, but it was feminists, union organizers, environmentalists, gay rights activists, and antiwar people. You know, the one's you, Alex, Rivero, etc have called "Nuts". Like I KEEP SAYING........ Libertarians stick to 9/11, police state, and guns. We progressives will stick with Social Issues. Then maybe we can learn from the other side.
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Post by Mech on Apr 14, 2008 20:18:58 GMT -5
Shhesh...all I am doing here is offering MY TAKE on things.
Its 100% clear you dont like much of what i have to say.
If youd like..I will simply move on and soon you will have almost no one to debate differences exept those who agree with you..
I respected your ideas...it is mine that are under the microscope and being called "right wing libertarian", with george Bush....with Rush Limbaugh..."Nixonian" (that was a good one), "fringe", isolationist crackpot", Cro-magnon.....and some of the other things you said.....
But whatever.
Name calling doesnt really make a difference in the long run.
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Post by Mech on Apr 14, 2008 20:27:35 GMT -5
100% LIE.
I never called any of the groups you mentioned "nuts"
I have critiqued radical feminism and "man-made" Global Warming.
Stop simplisticly lumping me in with "jones, rivero" etc.
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