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Post by DannyRock on Jul 12, 2006 23:37:17 GMT -5
They've been hitting us almost non-stop for the past few days here. Freaky weather on the 11th with almost ping pong ball sized hail... Trails and haze on the 12th... Another bad storm moved in and soaked us around 4:00 PM with tornado warnings... Still raining now.
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Post by chickenlittle on Jul 13, 2006 12:16:35 GMT -5
Yes in response BigJoe and all,on those odd colored trails,I have recently been smelling a different smell too,and it just so hsppens to match the color brown of the trails,no kidding a slight dogshit smell(I have checked me shoes,by the way) I thought it was just me and yesterday my oldest showed up and said "is it just me or do you guys smell a doggy shit smell?"And that sealed it for me. Another thing,is I agree they definately want us to BREATHE this SHIT in,I cant tell you how many people I have talked to in just the last few days have said that they feel horrible.They began spraying again a few days ago,last day and a half we have had rain.My lungs have actually HURT. BigJoe I got a good feeling yesterday,I saw a friend at the store,I don't see her everyday,sort of thing but I ran into her and I asked how she was and she began to tell me she felt horrible gastro badness.vomiting blood ect.I couldn't help it I just blurted out It's the f#cking Chemtrails they are killing us slowly. She said she wateched the other daya,because she normally doesn't pay much attention and being originally from so.Calif.she knows what jets and contrails look like and how they act.But she said it took forever and it spread out all over the sky,Then she said " I think those women who wrote the letters to the newspaper are definately onto something,and that she watches everyday now.SO........I said that was me I wrote one,and she said she wondered but wasn't sure and though it was fanmtastic that we wrote them.SOOOOOOOO That tells me that HOPEFULLY MORE than just her ARE STARTING TO QUESTION OUR PEOPLE IN GOVERNMENT AND WONDER WHAT THEY ARE DOING up there.It really made me feel good that the word is getting out here in my neck of the woods. take care chicky
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Post by chickenlittle on Jul 13, 2006 13:05:02 GMT -5
One other snippet is that I notice when they are spraying now it seems a lot more thick and intense than like a last summer,very mucky! chicky
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Post by altitudelou on Jul 13, 2006 22:37:19 GMT -5
socrates wrote,
"Their goal has been to compartmentalize all dissent into tin-foil, internet conspiracy theory. I agree, however, that we are eyewitnesses to the crazy disposition of the skies influenced by aircraft. If a majority believe there was a conspiracy to knock off J.F.K., one has to figure that chemtrails will also be eventually considered as probable fact. There is no statute of limitations on the truth.
I am below you in Massachusetts. I remember there always being plenty of blue skies before the late 90's. Those days are long gone. Maybe they changed the jet fuel back then. Yeah, that's the ticket." _______________________________________________________________
I think with regard to the Chemtrail's / Global Spraying it's safe to say that it has become an "internet conspiracy fact" rather than just a theory, with so many people worldwide now reporting the spraying like we first started observing in mass back in the mid 90's it's convincing more and more people that indeed there is a worldwide spraying program underway and those responsible for it are loosing ground with each plane that they send up to spray, they know it, the debunkers know it and we know it.
I keep referring to the cover up of Chemtrail issue as something like the cover up of the military using "Agent Orange" during the Vietnam war and covering it up, it only took twenty years for the DOD / government to admit that "Agent Orange" was used and it affected our troops in many negative ways, cancer being high on the list.
The truth will eventually come out, usually when our government is up to it's neck in something this big and rotten, the truth will break out, I don't think they can keep an operation of this size secret forever, someone will talk at some point.
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Post by socrates on Jul 14, 2006 0:47:49 GMT -5
OK, so Halva gets me to post at this science forum where the topic is "geo-engineering". The only explanation so far has been that Chinese aerosols and African dust are so prevalent that the "contrails" are attaching to the airborne particles, and that explains the fake cloud cover. Yet, I don't think these people even realize that the skies are mucked up so bad. If they do, perhaps they are somehow afraid to make an honest post.
I can get confused. Sometimes I wonder if it is just pollution combining with the "contrails". Yet, then I ask myself well why has everybody been ignoring the "chemtrails". The skies never had "chemtrails" before 1997 or whatever the date. There seems to have to be a logical explanation for this. That only recently have there been reports of "global dimming and contrails" makes me tend to believe that there IS a covert aerosol program that has been going on for a long time. Why have all the so-called experts been ignoring the mucked up nature of the skies for all these years? Yet, now all of a sudden, they seem poised to say, oh yeah, the contrail problem, right, it's African dust and Chinese aerosols mixing with the aircraft exhaust. None of this adds up.
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Post by altitudelou on Jul 15, 2006 16:01:12 GMT -5
I'm laughing !
"Chinese aerosols and African dust are so prevalent that the "contrails" are attaching to the airborne particles, and that explains the fake cloud cover."
There may be a tiny bit of truth in that, but not to the point that anyone, especially a scientist or researcher of airborne aerosols would commit to stating that "contrails" are attaching to the airborne particles, and that, explains the fake cloud cover.
It has been proven that aerosol particles within the atmosphere tend to bond with unburned jet fuel as it's dispersed high in the atmosphere, kind of like the way oil bonds with everything it comes in contact with but the laughable part of the "Chinese aerosols and African dust" scenario is that it would take tremendous amounts of unburned jet fuel high up in the atmosphere and an extreme amount of aerosol particulate matter present to produce anything resembling one cirrus looking cloud formation, let alone the amount of manmade "FAKE CIRRUS" clouds that we have been observing being made since the mid 90's over the U.S. and Europe.
Just yesterday I was with four other friends and we were watching a stretch of sky just north and west of us here in Maine and about every two to three minutes a jet would come from the north west and start leaving a thick trail behind it, they would fly on for probably 50 to 75 miles and then the trail's would just stop, the trail's kept on accumulating in this one particular area of the sky and spreading out into what ended up looking like "cirrus clouds", they were obviously being made by the jets as prior to the jets showing up to leave their trails we only had some low, Small, scattered cumulus clouds drifting through a very clear blue sky.
I can't say for sure but I don't believe that we had a great deal of "Chinese aerosols and African dust" in our atmosphere over Maine yesterday when the spray jets were working that one area of sky.
I remember reading an article or report based on aerosol research and the subject of contrail's and aerosol particulate matter was covered in that the recovery of airborne particles that were mixed with dispersed jet fuel was so fractional they would not be detectable by the human eye within the atmosphere.
Now, dust as we all know can become trapped high up in the atmosphere and cause varying degrees of color change in the visible spectrum, with that in mind our sky's last night were very clear against the moon going out of full, so again I don't believe there was very much dust or aerosols in the atmosphere that could be attributed to the causation of any cirrus clouds via contrail's,dust and aerosol particulate matter.
Another telling sign of the blatant spraying that I have found is the fact that the air craft involved do not correspond nor register on "Flightaware" or "FlightExplorer", at times there is a flight being tracked that shows up but it registers no flight numbers or transponder numbers and remains unidentified throughout it's flight path and they usually are seen to make the CT's, the only aircraft that I know of that are exempt from identifying themselves are military.
I don't think I'm the only one that's aware of this fact, I'm sure that there are many people that check with "Flightaware" or "FlightExplorer" when they are observing the spraying in their areas.
You know, since I was able to walk I've always been interested in what goes on in the sky, day and night, I've been in the military and observed joint military exercises, seen many air shows and air events and nothing that I ever observed regarding aircraft ever spiked my curiosity as much as observing these large body military type jets that are obviously spraying huge areas of sky directly over heavily populated civilian areas since the 90's ongoing to date.
I can not and will not accept that there is an excuse or explanation for it other than anything but the illegal spraying of our sky's.
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Post by halva on Jul 17, 2006 8:58:48 GMT -5
I can not and will not accept that there is an excuse or explanation for it other than anything but the illegal spraying of our sky's. Firstly, Socrates, thank you for getting involved at Real Climate. Though it looks as if your and my intervention there will turn out to have been nothing more than a hiccup, it cannot now be said that we are the ones who are copping out, thinking what we want to think and refusing to listen to those who know better. Lou, when you say that chemtrails are the illegal spraying of our skies, the key word surely is "illegal". In his contribution at the beginning of the Real Climate thread Gavin Schmidt says: "Dealing with these predictable consequences (of geoengineering programmes involving spraying of aerosols)lwould promise to be a lively area of class action litigation...." This suggests that climate scientists are afraid that legal action would be taken against whoever is responsible for the spraying if they admit (or it is proven by others) that they are involved in it. Litigation of this kind could presumably be initiated (or threatened) by virtually anybody, including oil industry lobbyists and/or the climate change "sceptics" who work with them and for them. I don't know if we would be improving our chances of getting a hearing or being taken seriously more of us were posting at Real Climate. Lou and I ended up getting in each other's way in our recent interrogation of the troll FastMover at CTC, which did not exactly inspire confidence. Do you think, Lou, that there is any way of stopping the discussion at Real Climate from drifting back into its habitual denial-based technocratic mode? As it is now doing.
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Post by Swamp Gas on Jul 17, 2006 9:02:02 GMT -5
I'm laughing ! "Chinese aerosols and African dust are so prevalent that the "contrails" are attaching to the airborne particles, and that explains the fake cloud cover." There may be a tiny bit of truth in that, but not to the point that anyone, especially a scientist or researcher of airborne aerosols would commit to stating that "contrails" are attaching to the airborne particles, and that, explains the fake cloud cover. It has been proven that aerosol particles within the atmosphere tend to bond with unburned jet fuel as it's dispersed high in the atmosphere, kind of like the way oil bonds with everything it comes in contact with but the laughable part of the "Chinese aerosols and African dust" scenario is that it would take tremendous amounts of unburned jet fuel high up in the atmosphere and an extreme amount of aerosol particulate matter present to produce anything resembling one cirrus looking cloud formation, let alone the amount of manmade "FAKE CIRRUS" clouds that we have been observing being made since the mid 90's over the U.S. and Europe. Just yesterday I was with four other friends and we were watching a stretch of sky just north and west of us here in Maine and about every two to three minutes a jet would come from the north west and start leaving a thick trail behind it, they would fly on for probably 50 to 75 miles and then the trail's would just stop, the trail's kept on accumulating in this one particular area of the sky and spreading out into what ended up looking like "cirrus clouds", they were obviously being made by the jets as prior to the jets showing up to leave their trails we only had some low, Small, scattered cumulus clouds drifting through a very clear blue sky. I can't say for sure but I don't believe that we had a great deal of "Chinese aerosols and African dust" in our atmosphere over Maine yesterday when the spray jets were working that one area of sky. I remember reading an article or report based on aerosol research and the subject of contrail's and aerosol particulate matter was covered in that the recovery of airborne particles that were mixed with dispersed jet fuel was so fractional they would not be detectable by the human eye within the atmosphere. Now, dust as we all know can become trapped high up in the atmosphere and cause varying degrees of color change in the visible spectrum, with that in mind our sky's last night were very clear against the moon going out of full, so again I don't believe there was very much dust or aerosols in the atmosphere that could be attributed to the causation of any cirrus clouds via contrail's,dust and aerosol particulate matter. Another telling sign of the blatant spraying that I have found is the fact that the air craft involved do not correspond nor register on "Flightaware" or "FlightExplorer", at times there is a flight being tracked that shows up but it registers no flight numbers or transponder numbers and remains unidentified throughout it's flight path and they usually are seen to make the CT's, the only aircraft that I know of that are exempt from identifying themselves are military. I don't think I'm the only one that's aware of this fact, I'm sure that there are many people that check with "Flightaware" or "FlightExplorer" when they are observing the spraying in their areas. You know, since I was able to walk I've always been interested in what goes on in the sky, day and night, I've been in the military and observed joint military exercises, seen many air shows and air events and nothing that I ever observed regarding aircraft ever spiked my curiosity as much as observing these large body military type jets that are obviously spraying huge areas of sky directly over heavily populated civilian areas since the 90's ongoing to date. I can not and will not accept that there is an excuse or explanation for it other than anything but the illegal spraying of our sky's. What the climatologists fail to address is the fact that 1950s Los Angeles smog was much worse than it is today, jets were very prevalent, and yet no lingering contrails. Her's some pictures from LA in the 50s
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Post by socrates on Jul 17, 2006 21:04:32 GMT -5
Not one of those "scientists" wants to admit that plane "contrails" are turning into complete sky cover. When they do, it is at some obscure website, and they blame Chinese aerosols and African dust. To me the bottom line is that planes are creating massive fake cloud cover. Either explain it completely or admit that something shady is going on.
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Post by altitudelou on Jul 17, 2006 22:00:58 GMT -5
halva / Wayne Hall wrote,
"I don't know if we would be improving our chances of getting a hearing or being taken seriously more of us were posting at Real Climate. Lou and I ended up getting in each other's way in our recent interrogation of the troll FastMover at CTC, which did not exactly inspire confidence.
Do you think, Lou, that there is any way of stopping the discussion at Real Climate from drifting back into its habitual denial-based technocratic mode? As it is now doing." _____________________________________________
Notice to Wayne Hall,
Wayne, I was doing fine at CTC in the "FastMover" thread and then you had to inject your own particular brand of stupidity into the mix, now you claim that "we got in each others way", WTF ?
JUST WHO WAS IT THAT GOT IN THE WAY ?
I already told you via e-mail what I thought of your post at CTC with regard to my behavior, now I'll state it here for all to see.
WAYNE, PISS OFF, YOUR ON MY PERSONAL IGNOR LIST, STAY AWAY FROM ME !
I DON'T GIVE A RAT'S ASS WHAT YOUR DOING AT " REAL CLIMATE" AND I WANT NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU OR YOUR POST, NOW OR IN THE FUTURE - GOT IT ?
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Post by Swamp Gas on Jul 17, 2006 22:39:34 GMT -5
Oh Boy, here we go with CTC-style bickering. Lou and Wayne......You're both valuable, and on the same side. What Gives?
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Post by socrates on Jul 18, 2006 7:33:24 GMT -5
Maybe stuff happens in the heat of battle, and the two have a personality conflict. They are both on the same side though and hopefully can find a way to co-exist.
Posted by altitudelou: "...I remember reading an article or report based on aerosol research and the subject of contrail's and aerosol particulate matter was covered in that the recovery of airborne particles that were mixed with dispersed jet fuel was so fractional they would not be detectable by the human eye within the atmosphere..."
I think it is up to scientists to explain fully why contrails are expanding into fake cloud cover. I find it ludicrous that only over the last year have we been finally hearing that contrails can do this.
I haven't really been seeing much spraying lately, yet I haven't really had the time to study the skies. Perhaps this is the time of year when there isn't enough wind to spray. Perhaps if there isn't wind movement, it is difficult to manipulate the skies?
I will never forget the skies during the Memorial Day weekend. Driving that day I counted 25-30 trails from my driving view. I read of many similar accounts from across the nation. I would love to find out that we are wrong, that there is an explanation for this. I personally am about 90% sure in my beliefs that we are being chemtrailed. The more we are ignored, however, that belief approaches the 100 percent.
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Post by altitudelou on Jul 18, 2006 9:51:59 GMT -5
swampgas wrote, Oh Boy, here we go with CTC-style bickering. Lou and Wayne......You're both valuable, and on the same side. What Gives? _______________________________________ swamp, I have no desire to start anything with Wayne Hall here at Gsatro but it would seem that Wayne can not leave me alone even after I have told him that I want nothing to do with him via e-mails. He has followed me here to Gastro and now he's starting his crap with me again and it's really pissing me off, Wayne seems to have a real problem with sticking his nose into what I am doing. This all started over at CTC in the "FastMover" thread when Wayne showed up and started questioning what I was doing and siding with a CTC religious fanatic troll named "Redeemerson". I decided after Wayne's post at CTC,... chemtrailcentral.com/forum/thread11004-45.html to have nothing further to do with him and through some private e-mails told him as much, now, after all of that, he shows up here looking to start some shit with me, now you know why I'm so pissed off. Wayne does not like the fact that I want nothing to do with him or his half baked ideas, I have had enough of his crap and he knows it, so, why is he here looking for trouble? I'm sorry that Wayne has brought this BS here to Gastro but I'm not going to take his mind game crap !
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Post by halva on Jul 18, 2006 10:44:53 GMT -5
I didn't follow Lou here. I came here because of a link from Debate Both Sides and because I have always had quite good relations with Swamp Gas.
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Post by Swamp Gas on Jul 18, 2006 10:56:38 GMT -5
Yes, I enjoy conversing with both of you very much, and Wayne and I do go back quite awhile, and we always got along. Lou, your wicked sense of humor is a welcome in this increasingly serious world Please let's put aside any squabbles, and concentrate on the solutions. We have WW3, Nazis, Zionists, Poisoning our environment, collapse of culture, bad food, debunkers, DARPA, NSA, CIA, Mossad, Maverick's, Bush, and Stupid people surrounding us. The last thing we need to do is fight among ourselves.
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Post by chickenlittle on Jul 18, 2006 23:25:43 GMT -5
We are being sturated here in the Pacific Northwest,I swear sometimes I thinks they is a markin me with an X Paranoid!!!!!Actually counted about 10 x formations and it seemed like they just kept layering them.The morning by the way at about 6:30 a.m was blue skies in abundance but of course the jets changed all that. chicky
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Post by chickenlittle on Jul 18, 2006 23:33:11 GMT -5
I wish I had a time lapsed camera and just point it at anywhere in the sky and I am sure they will cover it,I would do that and just let it run for hours,yep thats my wish. chicky
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Post by socrates on Jul 19, 2006 20:33:59 GMT -5
We got sauteed with chemtrails today in Boston. I saw some of the fattest contrails ever expanding into huge, fake cloud cover. They seemed to be angled in an attempt to "shield" the sun.
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Post by socrates on Jul 19, 2006 20:55:39 GMT -5
Here is an aerosol report from Carnicom's forum. Methuen is very close to where I am from. It would appear we both had the same mucked up view. danger bird71 Registered User (7/19/06 4:04 pm) Reply Re: Chemtrail Calender of Events ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Location: Methuen, Ma Time: 7:00pm Date: 7/19/2006 Condition: 75 degrees light easterly wind (7 mph) Sky Condition: milky blue Clouds Present: none that are natural, it would've been a crystal clear blue day if it wasn't for the planes. Plane Activity: constant Health: a little tired but feeling good. Lots and lots of activity today, non-stop planes laying down trail after trail with more x formations than usual. On the positive side of things, it is much less humid than the last week or so, very nice day today! " Carnicom Forum(on edit- Whackjobs get to post there, like CTC kind of moderating nowadays, separate wheat from chaff kind of place.) If geo-engineering isn't going on, what are we witnessing? Are those contrails interacting with African dust, Chinese aerosols, and other forms of industrial pollution? I am getting sick of looking at that crap.
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Post by chickenlittle on Jul 23, 2006 23:27:11 GMT -5
They gave us a break today and it was a hot one.Yesterday the same thing here as well Socrates,they ARE aimimg to get these right over the sun I have no doubt now it is very obvious.You know what is odd,I actually now can tell how much these trails do block the sun and cool the temp. down,we have had 80's 90's here and that is a bit high for us pretty unusual,so I guess they figure it will get hot enough and people will welcome these trails to cool things down,but of course no one will ask or think about AT WHAT COST??? take care chicky
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Post by socrates on Jul 24, 2006 13:54:49 GMT -5
Hi Chickenlittle, thanks for the response. I am of the opinion that there are multi-purposes for the operations. The main one, however, seems to be for creating global dimming. Then I reckon this is done to either attack global warming or to protect us from the ozone holes, perhaps for both.
I've been under the impression that the ozone hole problem has been addressed in the past. CFC's were seen as the culprit and were to be cut down. I think that the ozone layer can replenish itself, but that takes time, and cfc's take 15 years to reach that area. If the ozone layer problem is getting worse, then the operations would seem to be a catch-22, in that they are protecting us from the ozone holes while contributing to the core problem itself.
Now, as regards to the global warming aspect to geo-engineering, as Halva has been pointing out over and over again, there has been a fake debate going on over whether there is global warming, and if so, whether this warming is man-made.
It's strange how "chemtrails" as an issue has evolved. Only recently has there been scientific acknowledgement that aircraft are mucking up the atmosphere. Years and years have passed with fake debunkers responding to sky observers that they are seeing things, propagating a hoax, and are confusing natural water vapor with crazy, internet conspiracy theories. Today, however, the cat is out of the bag. The PBS Nova special on global dimming, e.g., while it didn't investigate "chemtrails" per se, did acknowledge that aircraft emissions are changing the composition of the skies.
I don't understand how they are going to be able to make the jump to legalised geo-engineering a la Teller's theory, et al. If it is to come out that this is the way to fight global warming, how can it be explained that their new legal ways look like what has been observed since 1997?
OK, it seems that the global warming debate has been decided. Is the new debate now over nuclear power versus geo-engineering? If geo-engineering in the open becomes the next step, will that just be similar to the US suspension of international law and their illegal domestic spying? Will it just be another instance where years of denial are transformed into a heck yeah we've been doing that all along, but no one gets impeached, only Scooter has to take the perjury rap. Geez, Nixon if he were still alive would be fussing and fuming about how come he had to resign.
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Post by socrates on Jul 24, 2006 22:05:58 GMT -5
They gave us a break today and it was a hot one.Yesterday the same thing here as well Socrates,they ARE aimimg to get these right over the sun I have no doubt now it is very obvious.You know what is odd,I actually now can tell how much these trails do block the sun and cool the temp. down,we have had 80's 90's here and that is a bit high for us pretty unusual,so I guess they figure it will get hot enough and people will welcome these trails to cool things down,but of course no one will ask or think about AT WHAT COST??? take care chicky I headed out to visit friends tonight around 6 pm. I drove a route that had me going about 20 miles in a circular route going east to west. We finally got a decent day today, plenty of blue skies. Yet as I approached my friends' house going west I saw that the sun was being sprayed with chemtrails. None to the east, just with the sun. It seems like they've let up the last month to let us heat up so as to get on with pimping for nuclear power versus geo-engineering. Maybe the solution is to not try to block up the sun, but rather tap its energy and get beyond the dead-end fossil fuels.
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Post by altitudelou on Jul 31, 2006 21:20:52 GMT -5
July 31, 2006 Parsonsfield, Maine.
It's become so common place I almost forgot that they were spraying the hell out of us here in Maine and New Hampshire yesterday and today.
Yesterday they hit the central and northern part of New Hampshire really hard, by mid afternoon the spreading trails started drifting in over southern Maine from New Hampshire, from an area that sees little jet air traffic normally.
Today from 8:00 AM on they were working the sky's over central western Maine, far from any main air traffic corridor.
That's two days of spraying over areas that are very rural and way off what would be considered normal air traffic patterns.
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Post by may41970 on Aug 3, 2006 6:28:42 GMT -5
Hi all; haven't posted in a while.
I've seen few, if any chemtrails in Yuanlin for a few weeks - and when I don't see them I can almost imagine that they never existed, which suits me just fine. I can forget about these damn chemtrail boards and imagine that everything is okay. There's enough bad stuff going on in the world right now anyways.
But these last few days, I've seen them come back in a BIG WAY. Cl imate currently is real hot and humid. I don't know what these exhaust fumes are or why they are in the sky. I don't know if the chemicals are meant to stay in the air, or if they're meant to fall down to earth. But as I watch plane after plane after plane leave trails that spread out and turn what should be a totally clear blue sky into milky-white mucked up piece of crap, I can tend to get depressed. My family sees them too, but they are all happier to imagine they don't exist...and I can understand that.
I am so tired of my friends laughing at me when I point at the trails and pretend to innocently ask "what are those things?" and hearing them tell me, "those are just jet exhausts, and they've always been there." My best friend laughs at me when I point them out. Only a few older people seem to notice the change.
I feel like an ant crawling around on the ground while some dumb kid sprays me with whatever he could dig up from under the kitchen cabinet. And no one gives a damn.
I'm almost ready to start posting on Chemtrail Central again - not because I respect them, but at least many more people will read what I have to say. I intend to start taking photos (in such a way to confirm they are from Yuanlin) so others can see what I'm talking about.
What do you think? Should I start again on CTC?
Take care all,
May
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Post by halva on Aug 3, 2006 8:38:40 GMT -5
When thinking about whether you should post at CTC you should also think about whether what you have to add is going to make more people pay attention.
Why don't you tell your friends about Paul Crutzen's proposals to fill the stratosphere with sulphur to counteract global warming. Ask whether they think that is a good idea. Start from the opposite end, not from looking at the chemtrails but from talking about the ideas behind putting aerosols in the sky.
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Post by altitudelou on Aug 3, 2006 17:34:28 GMT -5
may41907,
It's good to see that your angry over the spraying in your region, you should be, anger and concern over this crime by us is what makes others take notice even if it seems like your getting nothing across, some people will actually listen to what you have to say and then pay more attention to what's going on over their heads.
You may feel that there is little that you can do about it but you should not let yourself feel depressed about the spraying, that will not help you or those around you, I think that many of us have felt totally useless and frustrated at one time or another trying to figure out just what this spraying is all about, my best advise to you would be not to beat yourself up over it as there is only so much one person can do about it.
Your idea of going back to CTC to post is really a personal choice, as long as you understand that posting at CTC is vulnerable to attack by debunkers, posting there is up to you, I post there once in awhile but I don't care about the debunkers and most of them know it.
That's my two cents worth.
Take care,........Lou.
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Post by socrates on Aug 6, 2006 13:06:29 GMT -5
Hi all; haven't posted in a while. ...I'm almost ready to start posting on Chemtrail Central again - not because I respect them, but at least many more people will read what I have to say... What do you think? Should I start again on CTC? Take care all, May Hi May, I feel I should add my thoughts seeing that me and you are tied in to being here at Gastro Village. To me there is nothing more annoying than to make sincere posts at a place like CTC, yet have all the other crazy talk there also. The best posts I see there are from Greenman, Halva, and Lou, yet they don't post anywhere as much there as folks like Mr. Jones do. One poster there has a signature saying that cigarette smoke destroys orbs. What? I had been posting at some obscure website where I was just about the only one who seemed to know much about geo-engineering. I was being flamed with 1940's fighter jet contrails and posts attacking Carnicom. When I posted there on another topic, someone told me to go get busy with my cloud buster machine. The point I am trying to make is that you can think you are reaching more folks by posting at CTC, but in the long run, you will simply be one voice of reason among all the misdirection. If I was still at CTC, I would find myself mostly calling bull on the outrageousness being posted. That is what happened to me there and why I left. I just don't trust that site any longer. I also don't think there's much point in thinking a website like that can make a difference. I thought Huffington Post was gonna make a big dent in the status quo. It was disappointing to see that it become such a joke. It's one thing to fight the good fight against trolls, propagandists and other disinformation types, but when the people running the sites don't even moderate, what is the point? The only way we are gonna make gains with this situation is if a major newspaper or whistleblower exposes the truth. This is less likely to happen because of fake websites with rabbit holes and limited hangouts. I like Gastro because it is run by former moderators from the big site who fully understand the need to keep things real. This place feels like the movie The Matrix, where the few who know are in their bunker working at keeping hope and truth alive while waiting for the opportunity to shut down the fakery. I would like to see this place have more decent posters on the chemtrail issue. I agree that quality is much better than quantity. Yet, perhaps with a bit more quantity along with the moderator skills here, this place could become a force to counteract the nuttiness of the Carnicom and CTC forums. This is Swampgas' abode, though, and I'm not gonna direct traffic here again unless he approves of that. I hope that if you do post at CTC, and I say this to everyone, that you confront the dumbass silliness everywhere it pops up. Otherwise, I don't see how we are helping the cause by aiding places that promote J. Reynold's blatherings of the "chemtrail hoax".
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Post by may41970 on Aug 8, 2006 8:26:07 GMT -5
Thanks for the response, Socrates. Sorry that I didn't respond sooner, but I don't have a lot of time to get on-line. Today is the first time that I saw your post. Sometimes I don't know if I'm being paranoid or clear. A few days after I made my first-ever post on CTC, I watched three low flying jets fly slowly DIRECTLY over my head. A fourth one was just to the outside. They were flying real slow and low. If I had a laser pointer and directed it straight up, it would have lit up three of them. Immediately after they flew over my head, they turned to the north and flew off. I live in the countryside. Last week, we experienced our first "sonic boom" EVER at about 8:00 in the morning, a day or two after I had posted here at gastronomes. A low-flying jet woke up the neighborhood. First time that's happened to me in my 13+ years in Taiwan. Don't know if I'm being paranoid or not. Still lots of chemtrails. The news today said that there are three, yes THREE, typhoons that have formed outside of Taiwan. Once again, that is a first for me in all the time that I've lived here. Three typhoons at one time? WTF? My wife frequently reminds me that chemtrails are a problem, but they are not THE PROBLEM. Israel's horrific war-crimes; their inexplainable desire to get WWIII started seem to her (at least) bigger than the chemtrails. IMO, it might somehow all be related. (BTW, I have no reason, at this time to believe in global warming...my gut feeling is that it's a crock) For the time being, I'll take your advice and stay away from CTC. Today, I was fortunate enough to get hold of a decent camera, and I hope to be posting some photos soon. Peace, Shalom, and Salam May ======================= Aug. 9 update: As I look at the above post, I feel that I may have come across as being too hot-headed. REGARDING MY GLOBAL WARMING COMMENTS: Maybe I went too far. Truth is that I don't know anything about global warming; I've got no real idea what it is or how it relates to chemtrails. It's just that I've heard so many politicians, network news agencies, and even Nasa talk about the "global warming" threat....well, my instinct is that whenever these people try hard to sell something to the public, that it's a lie. Maybe statistically accurate, but not very scientific. I'll keep my mouth shut from now on this question until I know more. From this point, I'll write about something I do know about - and that's the chemtrails that I see over my head. REGARDING JETS FLYING OVER OUR HOUSE There's no int'l air traffic over Yuanlin, and until very recently - all the planes and genuine contrails I observed were always on an identical flight path, far west of the township. It's quite possible that chemtrails have existed longer than I think; but it was only after the advent of COSMIC... the massive joint program between Taiwan and the US to "improve weather forecasting" that I started noticing Taiwanese chemtrails. www.nsf.gov/news/news_summ.jsp?cntn_id=106862&org=NSF(Why the "U.S. Air Force Space Test Program, the Office of Naval Research, and the Department of Defense Space and Missile Systems Center's Rocket Systems Launch Program of the U.S. Air Force" are interested in forecasting Taiwan's weather -- your guess is as good as mine.) The 4 jets flying over our home in formation were small military planes. The more recent sonic boom, I assume, was also from a military jet. There are loads of military bases parked on this tiny island. Just don't remember seeing so many fighters HERE. As far as I know, I'm the only person in Taiwan posting about the advent of chemtrails in this country - so maybe it's not too insane to think that I pissed somebody off and that some fascist at the American Institute in Taiwan made a request to send some planes my way to make me feel a little concerned. But even in the case that those planes over our house were a freak coincidence, obviously my posting about them makes me sound like another nut. Either way, I lose. All I can tell you is that I now see loads of chemtrails here; and I didn't see them before. I see loads of planes all the time now; and I didn't see them before. TONIGHT'S EVENING SKY: Lots of clear blue, and no blatant trails. But still, it was very strange. In the forefront were lots "fishscale" clouds. Perpendicular to them was a spread of straight "lines" that reminded me of an open Chinese fan. I"ve not seen/noticed this style before. The "fan" was perpendicular to the fishscales. Temps were fairly cool. MY APOLOGIES In the future, I'll try to avoid making hot-headed sounding posts. It doesn't help this cause at all - which IMO is simply to get people to start looking in the sky and asking themselves if that's how they remember the way it looked when they were kids. May
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Post by chickenlittle on Aug 10, 2006 7:04:49 GMT -5
Hi you made a comment above about the global warming and how it can be explained that we have been witnessing these trails since '97,my opinion on this is that whatever we THINK is new has been in the works some 10 years prior to us viewing it,and what I mean by us is the far and few between as we are on this site that actually speak of it.I think the world gov's are 10 years advanced than what we know,this makes things even more sinister and scarey when you think about it. well,thats just my opinion. Also we have been getting sprayed here daily with only a few days break between.I have noticed very different spray patterns and jets in just this last week. I have said before that I felt these trails make it hotter down here on the earth not cooler by any means,but there are thise who disagree with that statement,seems logical that once the earth is warm,spraying in the atmosphere seems to hold in all the warmth from the previous days sun.I have often said I feel as though I am in a terrarium. take care chicky
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Post by BigJoe on Aug 12, 2006 19:03:16 GMT -5
After several weeks of enjoying virtually chem-free, pristine blue skies over Western New York, they came back with a vengeance today and totally clouded over our skies with their horizon to horizon expanding chemical spider webs. The massive armada of unmarked jets (mainly unmarked 767 tankers but with a few KC-135's thrown in for good measure), the jets arrived in our airspace around 9:30 this morning and proceeded to lay down their massive trails. By around 11:00 A.M. the sky was totally blanked over with a thick layer of high altitude chemical aerosols. Finally, at approximately 2:00 P.M. the jets departed, leaving our sky a sickly looking milky brownish/yellow overcast that was saturated with trails too numerous to count.
Interesting; satellite images show that this was only a local operation that covered most of Lake Ontario, all of Western New York and with a narrow extension extending down into Central/Southern Tier Region of New York State. Also of interest, there was also one other small localized operation that took place simultaneously over the Northern Adirondack Mountains/High Peak Region of New York State that stretched north up to the Canadian Border, and as far east as the Champlain Valley region that separates Northern New York State from Vermont.
Presently, all of the toxic chemicals have blown eastward, and are now mostly gone from our region, but the localized spraying was SO HEAVY over us today that it took several hours before the sky could rid itself of all these poisons. There are/were no weather systems/fronts anywhere near our region, which makes me very curious as to what exactly this spraying was all about today. The lack of any "weather" anywhere near Western New York makes me seriously doubt that weather modification was the motivation behind todays spraying, which brings me to my last point, and that is...
If they were intending for us to breath this "stuff" of theirs into our lungs with today's massive chemical blitz, just one look at the sky would leave anybody that is even HALF awake with little doubt that they succeeded in this objective. And once again, as I have often mentioned here, this was one of those bad days when, viewing the spraying from a "back lit" situation, it was more than obvious that this poison, whatever it consisted of, was obviously falling to earth in a very fine mist form. I have little doubt that the entire population of Western New York, myself included, breathed a LOT of this stuff into our lungs today.
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