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Post by BigBunny on Nov 23, 2006 23:17:04 GMT -5
Meanwhile on another subject, Halva I do find it absolutely remarkable that you cannot show the good grace to take an olive branch that has been proffered to you without denigrating ET. Your attempt to twist the argument by confusing intestinal fortitude with intellectual exercise is sadly a fine example of your usual ineptitude.
However I suppose that we must accept that this latest statement of yours is the closest that we will ever get to an admission that you are a geoengineer first and a human being second.
Sincerely I am beginning to doubt your credentials as a philogicist.
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Post by socrates on Nov 24, 2006 0:16:54 GMT -5
I think there are now more pages on the internet pointing out Wayne Halva's flaws as there are any on Raymolds. I don't even know who Sington is, was just showing how geoengineers might want to debunk global dimming. Now what was that question posed by the ladies from Northern Greece? Is the pollution good for us? Tell them NO FRICKING WAY, IT NEEDS TO STOP IMMEDIATELY !!! UNDERSTAND? ??
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Post by et in Arcadia ego on Nov 24, 2006 2:43:17 GMT -5
I think I would prefer it if you devoted less attention to me, Lou. Why do you give away so much of yourself? I'll use my imagination an place of experience and assume that the only reason you are still here is because swamp knows you'll lurk the board like your buddy, R3ynolds does(R3ynolds, YOU FUCKED UP GIVING ME YOUR HOME NUMBER; I HAVE YOUR ADDRESS, ASSHOLE..). Best thing is maybe if you shoved your head up your own ass till you dissapeared forever. You're already half-way there, why stop now? Cheers halva, Donovan
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Post by et in Arcadia ego on Nov 24, 2006 2:55:08 GMT -5
ET its good to see that the missing Moderators of Mega are beginning to reappear. We were worried that a black hole had swallowed one or more of them. Please pass on our warmest regards to the big fella - we await his return. You know that one; he's loose as a goose and loves his (offline) freedom..I'm fortunate enough to see hime every 2 months at best. I'll pas on a link here and tell him a visit to chem11 is long overdue; he already knows this. He's a fucking Cool Cat..that one..
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Post by et in Arcadia ego on Nov 24, 2006 3:40:45 GMT -5
In general terms I accept the olive branch at the end, if that's what it is. ..................... the point is not to have the balls to say so but to have the brains to find out what it is that is Don't attempt to insult my intellgence, you silly little prick..I'm not here to un-fuck your motivations, whatsoever. A - There WAS no ' Olive Branch', I clearly suggested you stay the fuck out of my way, and stop BULLSHITTING MY FRIENDS.. B - You insist on sticking with this absurdity( that unfortunately Socrates isn't privy to) that David Stewart actually spoke to someone that existed outside the realm of his own imagination..despite his own admittance otherwise, YOU SHOULD BE PERMA-BANNED RIGHT HERE, RIGHT NOW, CAUSE YOU ARE A FUCKING LIAR..
Jesus, I'm sick of your ass, and you've been here from the very begining.. Just like R3ynolds and Ph3lps. And Maverdick and his clusterfuck of psychotic pricks. Do you all piss in the same toilet? Swamp, I'm glad I called you yesterday; I appeared to be not a minute too late. Show this shitter the door already and get his obfuscations the hell outta here.. You want the God honest truth, man to man? When I made my ' Arcadia returns' thread, I soon realized that Halva was here. I didn't suspect anyone else(aside from the obvious we already discussed) was 'contaminated, but I knew to an extent that this board had trouble, hence I laid my roots elsewhere. That's why I left, swampie, and I'm sorry I didn't fight harder to get through to you, but I tried originally and you refused. Seeing 'halva' here broke my back; it was the Last Fucking Straw.. I believe that halva himself is the one that coined the intended insult phrase describing me, a "Hybrid', and boy, that must have bugged EVERYONE on both sides, cause I think I was closer to truth than 99% of everyone. Halva can sit in here and talk his shit all day long, but when he refuses to admit the simple fact that David Stewart ADMITTED HIMSELF to MAKING UP Deep Shield ABSOLUTELY NOTHING that comes out of halva's mouth can be trusted.. And I don't personally care how many of you think, " The Trails are this or that", you ALL know I'm right, whether you like it or not.. Or is there another reason the chemtrail section here was archived..Seems most people couldn't look each other in the eye to me, so I fucking left.. At CTC: I was right about Phelps(I ripped him into little pieces, Mr Maintenance at his Daddy's work-Plant..) I was right about that post-bot Julian Penrod(who never spoke to anyone unless in the third person) I was right about starman(that dick-head needs no introduction, and I fought in vain for WEEKS to get rif of his ass..Now he's Moderating; AWESOME.) I was right about weatherman714(Jason aka Maverick) I was right about the CIA Grifter Scott Stevens, even though everyone wanted to believe otherwise.. I prefer Truth. I KNOW I'm right about that 'mass-innoculation' fucking asshole, thermit, the conspiracy-for-profit PIMP JACK-OFF who whored away his own forum and lost the best Mod crew he ever had.. On purpose. I was right about that asshole mbarrium before the CTC walk-out, and what happened with him while I was elsewhere? After 2 years of this shit.. I DON'T FUCKING CARE WTF THEY'RE SPRAYING, MITIGATION, OR INSTIGATING A RED PLANET FOR OUTSIDE OVERLORDS, the disinfo is so extereme and intense everyone is wasting their time trying to un-fuck it all, and peple are apparently paid GOOD MONEY that prolly comes out of YOUR pocket to lie to your damn face about EVERYTHYING.. Is anybody with me here or what? I'd love to know why R3ynolds turned on Cooper and Cooper ended up dead. Maybe I'll show up at his house and ask him face to face like a Real Man should.. I'd love to know why the W.H.O. has a Casualty Acceptance Rate of EIGHT THOUSAND PEOPLE PER ANNUM LABELED AS "ACCEPTABLE LOSS" FOR A "MITIGATION PROGRAMME".. Check it out yourself..It's on the WHO's damn website.. Get off these damn boards and get out there and do some legwork. The answer is already there..In their BueBlooded Stupidity they can't hint at it any stronger.. Fuck, they have to rely on Rolling Stone to deliver the indoctrinations now, cause people are so fucking stupid.. Fuck these discussions; there's NOTHING to discuss. Doesn't mean I'm going Bye-Bye, just means that 'Chemtrails' are no fucking mystery to me, and they haven't been for over a year AT LEAST, so talk all the shit you want, halva, you won't bend my mind like a reed in the wind, I'll walk ALL over your ass, cause your one of the Original Sinners oif the Chemtrail Meme, and I'm calling you out on that RIGHT FUCKING NOW.. Does that sound like an "Olive Branch" to you, asshole?
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Post by BigBunny on Nov 24, 2006 6:59:32 GMT -5
ET the actual projected casualty figure is a minimum of TWO BILLION human beings to save the planet. I've heard this proposition from too many reliable sources to doubt its authenticity. Mind you, race, creed or colour are deemed as irrelevant considerations which may give you an idea as to the identity of the perpetrators.
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Post by halva on Nov 24, 2006 9:41:36 GMT -5
Any comments on your previous posting regarding olive branches Big Bunny?
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Post by halva on Nov 24, 2006 9:58:28 GMT -5
(Reynolds, YOU FUCKED UP GIVING ME YOUR HOME NUMBER; I HAVE YOUR ADDRESS, ASSHOLE..). Best thing is maybe if you shoved your head up your own ass till you dissapeared forever. You're already half-way there, why stop now? The purpose of Arcadia's reappearance here is to get me out of this forum and/or Reynolds back to DBS.
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Post by Swamp Gas on Nov 24, 2006 11:01:38 GMT -5
The purpose of Arcadia's reappearance here is to get me out of this forum and/or Reynolds back to DBS. Arcadia called me to tell me that he was having some family challenges and talk music. We are friends outside these forums, and fellow musicians and synth players that like basically the same music. I then asked him to come back onto Gastro, as we were all wondering where he was. Usually life problems will take a person away from posting. So that is incorrect halva. Arcadia just wanted to share what he was going through, and we talked about it, and I let him know my personal experience with a similar circumstance he is going through. Nothing mysterious there. And he is correct in his assessment of of the people mentioned. Arcadia, Mech, Increase, Thetaloops, KNOWTHIS, Socrates, Altitudelou, Chem11, Bigbunny, and others have all discussed who is who and who is the one called Jason or Reynolds. Arcadia was on top of things, and has an uncanny sense of intuition. He has been hurt in his life by not using his logic and intuition in tandem. Now, many of the main posters are calling for your banning. I can see why Chem11 banned you from Mega, but I am not Chem11. Personally, you have always been respectful of me, even when I was not a moderator at CTC. But when the health of a forum and the health of Mitigation study is in jeopardy, I have to take a stance. If I took it to a vote, you probably would be voted out. But, Theta and I are still the mods here. As I said, you have discovered some of the most compelling and profound evidence, yet you seem to be changing direction. I know you are not Phelps/Reynolds/Jason because I sent the DVD to an address in Greece. I think you are you say you are, but something has changed. I too feel we must never accept pollution as a viable means of climate control. Much like we must never accept art and music that is garbage, just because it is popular. It is called resignation. What I want from you halva, is a public explanation of why you think everybody is so pissed at you. That's the least you can do. If you want, we can place it in the discussion lounge, but this can't go on. We are spending more time fighting than doing study of the problem. Otherwise, I will have to ask you to voluntarily leave Gastronamus. That would be sad, because I still think you are a good person, but you are close lipped about your 180 degree shift. In fact, you could take a lesson from Arcadia in this. He speaks his mind, and goes right to the core. Something to think about.
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Post by et in Arcadia ego on Nov 24, 2006 11:02:54 GMT -5
Nope, just wanted to stop in and say hello to some old friends. Unfortunately, you were here as well.
No biggie, carry on.
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Post by Swamp Gas on Nov 24, 2006 11:04:01 GMT -5
Read my last response
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Post by halva on Nov 24, 2006 12:52:10 GMT -5
Nope, just wanted to stop in and say hello to some old friends. Unfortunately, you were here as well. No biggie, carry on. D Carry on doing what? I will think about how I might answer your question, Swamp Gas,
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Post by et in Arcadia ego on Nov 24, 2006 13:42:59 GMT -5
Swampgas possesses either more mercy or wisdom than I do by far. The last thing I wanted to do was get involved ina shit-fest with you, of all people, who I care for only a *little* bit more than the Phelps/Reynolds Gorgon. You amuse me in your threat that I'll be summoning him..
I've gotten that accussation before, haven't I?
Yeah, I have Reynolds' phone number and address, but I've also asserted that I would NEVER publish it online, because that's not approipriate behavior, and even if he wouldn't extend me the same gratitude, I'm not going to kink my moral compass.
I have a sick wife and a four year old daughter. They're WAY more important to me than visiting Phelps, Reynolds, or even you. I don't like ANY of you, I think you are ALL Professional LIARS, and it's unfortunate that what was suppossed to be a pop-in-and-say-hello after a phone call to swamp turned into this crap.
This is swamp and theta's board, so his rule is Law here, but the longer you linger and the more you speak, the less inclined I am to return here, cause I'm pretty sure you foul the fucking nest you lay in on purpose.
Later, Stinky!
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Post by socrates on Nov 24, 2006 14:48:40 GMT -5
posted by Arcadia: "...This is swamp and theta's board, so his rule is Law here, but the longer you linger and the more you speak, the less inclined I am to return here, cause I'm pretty sure you foul the fucking nest you lay in on purpose.
It does appear that this is his modus operandi. But I think it would be best if you at least pop in here from time to time. My feeling on this is that Halva has become more bold in promoting geoengineering because of the utter downward spiral for chemtrail forums over the last year. It does seem that fakes from the start of these boards had a plan in motion to control the flow of dialogue and information.
It's just that they never succeeded to the point where they could get rid of all the honest chemtrail posters. What has motivated me over the last year to make chemtrail posts has been as Swampgas has put it before, that it is good to keep the dialogue alive.
As a newbie, when I first got here, I had no clue as to the history of chemtrail forums. I had been at CTC and found myself as being more of a debunker of crazy posts than as someone involved in authentic chemtrail talk. Myself, Swamp, Lou, and Halva had a field day with the Crutzen material which can be seen in the How to Cool a Planet thread. I had no reason to doubt Halva at that point. I had run across his posts a lot, and on the surface it seemed he was passionate about bring chemtrails out of the closet. He was always railing against debunkers. There seemed to be no reason to doubt his sincerity.
But then he started talking about Chem11 and Foot Soldier fudging the issues, and to make matters worse, he was saying this behind their backs. I won't go into details, but if anyone is interested, all they have to do is read through threads here and at Megasprayer's fight club.
I think the best way to keep Halva from contaminating chemtrail awareness any longer is to continue making good posts to the best of our abilities. If we allow the dialogue to stop, then it truly becomes the Reymolds/Halva show, and we know what that means to newbies, it means rabbit holes, it means the end of reflection, it means the end of the chemtrail awareness movement.
At CTC, there are next to no comments on the recent Paul Moyer report. The only ones came from myself and someone named Vinn. Now what does that say? Who are these 1800 people who seem to always be reading at CTC? Are they thoughtful people? Are they really curious about the true nature of social reality? Or are they as I believe are only there for obfuscating or reading for entertainment purposes only?
You are right Arcadia about the recent Rolling Stone's article on geoengineering and Dr. Evil. CTC doesn't even have a link yet to that article and perhaps never will. There are more people at CTC arguing against man made global warming than there are folks looking into serious theories on what chemtrails really are.
You are right that it couldn't be more obvious that global warming has a lot to do with the chemtrail program(s). I was drawn at first to Halva's ideas because he was one of the few on the internet speaking about geoengineering. And I completely agree with the Swampster that Halva has made a 180 degree turn in his approach. Sure, he first started spinning my head when he attacked Chem11 and Foot Soldier. But his major shift the last months has been to promote the idea that the only question left about chemtrails is whether they are good for us. What?
Then he dropped the other shoe when he came out saying that global dimming is overblown. Why say that? Because of friggin chemtrails I rarely get any more sunshine. I will repeat what I have posted before. I used to live in Ireland, which has its own unique weather patterns, it is an island out there in the ocean. When I came back to the states in the early 1990s I thus had a unique opportunity to be more aware of the weather patterns here in Bostonia (home of the 2004 World Series-- hey even chemmies need some pleasant diversions).
What I noticed was how sunny Boston was, how warm it was getting during the summers. I noticed how we could go days without much of any clouds.
Then we all know what happened. In the late 1990s the weather changed dramatically. Summers started becoming much cooler. Weather became much more erratic, with higher highs and lower lows. New England used to be famous for its distinct four seasons. Those days are over.
A few months back we got a whole month straight filled with rain. Thus we can relate to what has happened in Oregon of late. Now whenever I look at weather forecasts, I see next to no days given where it will be sunny out. On average now, 6 out of 7 days will be overcast.
Now as regards to any fudging going on, it is not FS and Chem11 who are doing the fudging. Chem11 believes and backs up with sources that sulfates are the chief material used for the chemtrailing. Arcadia, I will assume can relate to this, as he said that he first became interested in this topic when researching volcanos. Now when Halva continues to play stupid as regards to basic science, when he continues to play stupid as to what is acid rain or what the geoengineers themselves have written about the use of sulfates, well, this to me has spoken volumes about his agenda.
He doesn't seem too worried about such blatant anomalies in his posts. I think this is because he figured with chemtrail forums hitting a downturn, it was thus time for him to start up with the marketing of pollution. He says that if I stopped mentioning Deep Shield, it would be forgotten. I only mention it because Halva has mentioned it so often in past threads. Big Bunny is correct that Deep Shield said nothing that any one of us couldn't have come up with through imagination. For someone to keep pushing the tabloid Deep Shield meme to me implies that such a person is in fact in favour of spraying the skies. Then he comes right out and admits it. Halva thinks the only question left is whether geoengineering the skies is good for us? We are supposed to debate the merits of frankenstein scientists' ideas? As Lou pointed out a few days ago, these frauds already came out with their ideas, and they were slammed and ostracized by their peers. Now we have this Rolling Stone article, I must try to read the whole thing, see whether there is a slant to it, see whether it is more marketing of pollution or whether it is a worthy article. Yet, all Halva keeps doing is playing dumb. Halva, you need to stop fudging things. Just quit it. Enough. Stop. People are on to psy-ops on the internet. At best, you have poor dialogue skills and are not fudging on purpose. But the fact that you continue to play dumb so often, so predictably is leading many to think you are an agent provocateur.
Arcadia, hang in there, we will all send positive thoughts for your family.
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Post by altitudelou on Nov 24, 2006 21:57:17 GMT -5
For what my humble opinion is worth, Wayne should know better than to come into this forum and start up by dragging his Reynolds crap here from DBS after railing on us for months about how we should not incite Reynolds and how we should not discuss him here, that really pissed me off and that is what got me bad mouthing Wayne, I can't stand hypocrites whether there politicians or not, a hypocrite is a hypocrite is a hypocrite.
The bullshit Wayne has been slinging with regard to "More Pollution Is Good" was bad enough, he got bounced out of Megasprayer and should have had the good sense to shut his mouth on the subject but , no, he had to bring it here and start all anew with us when no one here wants to hear that friggen crap. ( Sorry, I don't mean to speak for everyone, maybe someone here does want to discuss the merits of more pollution being some how good with Wayne. ) I sure as hell don't but Wayne has to inject it into every thread and "we" are supposed to just like it. I don't think so, so, I started getting on his case about it, I thought he might take the hint_"SHUT THE HELL UP" and back of that bullshit.
Well, here we all are, one big unhappy family, just about everyone that's been posting on a regular basis wants to see Wayne kicked out of here, hell, now our old friend "Sickle" has had to come back home on this sour friggen Halva / Wayne Hall crap, that's just not right !
When I said that "Wayne is poisoning the atmosphere here at Gastro", I meant it, he is just like the stinking poison they are spreading across our sky's with the stinking Chemtrail's, where ever he goes he causes turmoil and chaos just like Reynolds and his ilk, I have asked Wayne to stop and think about what he is doing but it seems to do little good as he comes right back like a cockroach with the same old bullshiting line , so, not that it should ever come down to a vote but if "Swamp and Theta" want one, I'm all for kicking Wayne Hall right the hell off the island, permanently, I have lost all respect for him, he has no credibility as far as I'm concerned !
Since I have been here at Gastro no one has caused as much bad feelings and animosity as Wayne is doing and getting a pass on_ until now that is, no disrespect meant Swamp / Theta, you guy's have been more than tolerant with Wayne and his bullshit but I like it that you have stepped up and addressed Wayne directly about his weird behavior of the past few months, hopefully he will see the error of his ways and straighten out or be smart enough to withdraw from posting here, we should not have to put up with an agitator in our house.
I'd like to thank everyone for their honesty in posting on this matter, for awhile I thought the only other person that thought Wayne was off the tracks besides me, was Socrates, anyway, thanks to everyone for speaking up, maybe we can see an end to this crap now.
On a personal note_ Sickle, best wishes to your better half, tell her Lou & Tiff said to get better, we are thinking good thoughts to her_ peace.
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Post by Swamp Gas on Nov 24, 2006 23:11:02 GMT -5
You see, it is like admitting that an old friend is not the person you remember. I remember my 35th high school reunion. All of my old hippie friends were now lawyers, cops, dying, or housewives. No one, except 3 guys and 1 female even acknowledged the stuff we used to do in the 60s. I was expecting them to be someone that I remembered, and they literally denied the activities. The 3 guys, the female, Thetaloops, and I went out for a walk, indulged, and all said "What the Fuck happened to these people?". Now mind you, all of us were following current cyberpunk culture, still playing music, and on top of current events. We knew there was a direct lineage from the psychedelic culture of then to now. What happened is the people who were in it just for the sex, drugs, and rock and roll, fell by the wayside, and devolved into exactly who they always were.........FOLLOWERS.
It is the same with halva. He is like an old friend that I am beginning to see changing into something that corporate wants. It is sad, seeing all you folks, who came after the beginning days of CTC (Did you know that Mech and I joined on the same day in May 2001?), having to put up with halva's changed persona.
Halva, if you are still that person I remember, turning over stones every step of the way, then come out and rethink your positions, so I am not forced to ban you from here.
And no, Fuck Reynolds and Smell. We are not going to discuss them in any serious way. As a matter of fact, 80-90% of the people posting at Maverick's ARE ONE AND THE SAME PERSON. As a joke that they are, that's fine. Halva, you once commented on how I had a knack of finding humor in the most serious situations. Take a lesson here. You are letting the debunkers get to you. Goof on them. Do not engage them on their turf. They are Stooges and Goons......NOTHING ELSE.
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Post by halva on Nov 24, 2006 23:14:19 GMT -5
OK here is my response to Swamp's question as to why I am disliked here.
It is only a handful of people that are articulating this dislike, one of whom, Socrates, was a willing collaborator with me at one point in internet intervention strategies.
Nowadays he has been persuaded, or says he has, that I have a secret agenda of "marketing pollution".
On the strength of this belief he intervened in what were fragile relations at Megasprayer and got me removed from there.
Now here with support from Lou and Big Bunny, and a catalytic return of Arcadia, the same thing is on the agenda here.
Should I then understand that I have a secret agenda of "marketing pollution". Just confess and be done with it?
Is that what you would like Socrates?
It happens that I have no such agenda.
I suppose that although the hostility comes only from these four people I should believe Swamp Gas as the moderator when he says that if a vote were taken the majority would be in favour of my going.
So on to the question. My ideas over the last few years have evolved empirically out of the experience of resisting the efforts of the debunker Reynolds and his supporters to get me to leave what was Arianna Huffington's forum and is now Debate Both Sides.
Pressure from Reynolds has been in the background of ALL arguments I have had with others. Reynolds was there making his input from Arianna's when the firsts differences of opinion with Chem arose over how we should receive David Stewart's Deep Shield information. Reynolds was a factor in the difference that developed between myself and Deborah. I thought that through the way she was reacting to Reynolds' hounding of her she was not assisting in fighting him in a clever way. Reynolds is at the centre of the argument I have had with Lou.
There is no doubt that contact with Reynolds has a knock-on effect. It involves bad vibes, and they are contagious.
I encouraged BC to come from CTC to the then Arianna's because I judged her unusual psychology would have a confusing efffect on the debunker attack strategy, and so it turned out.
Is that the whole story then? Perhaps it isn't. My view now is that we should absolutely resist getting involved in arguments over contrails vs chemtrails or over climate change and whether it is anthropogenic or not.
These are red herring arguments. Therefore, people who want to argue with us should be got to argue about geoengineering and whether it is the right way to deal with climate change, not about the red herring subjects.
Does that mean that I favour geoengineering? No. It means that I want to talk about geoengineering, not the other two diversionary subjects.
There are perhaps two other factors that could explain why some Americans "don't like me". I mention Americans because I don't have bad relations with chemtrails activists in any other country. This might not be entirely a nationality question. Some of the people on this forum have real life contact with each other, just as I have real life contact with some of the people around our site and forum in Greece. Contacts of this kind do make it easier to avoid situations like the kind that has now arisen here.
One factor is that I favour a European integration strategy which, if successful, will make the United States into a political and not merely a cultural, appendage of Europe, rather than the opposite, as is now the case.
That will make life better for you, just as the defeat of the Nazis is said to have made life better for people in Europe. But possibly a Europe-centred political strategy is not going to be appealing to you in every way.
The other factor is that I am an anti-nuclear weapons activist. It was the issue I was involved in before I came to chemtrails, and it is still an issue I want to pursue. One of the things I believe about nuclear weapons is that all other nuclear weapons states should get rid of their nuclear weapons irrespective of what Americans do or don't do.
I also think that the way nuclear weapons laboratories have taken up the climate issue has a potentially promising side to it, insofar as - although these guys are just interested in defending their jobs and privileges - a politically pragmatic approach to this reality might get better results than a sloganistic, denunciatory, in effect childish, politics of protest, addressed to deaf ears.
That is the extent of my support for "the marketing of pollution".
So what now? If you like I will stop posting here. I will only post if someone says something about me, or about what I am doing, which is slanderous or incorrect.
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Post by Swamp Gas on Nov 24, 2006 23:35:34 GMT -5
halva, you must not have read my previous post since you were spending time writing your response.
I really don't want you to run off. I still say you are a good person, but you have absorbed too much Reynolds/Boomerchick crap. I talked with her on the phone. She is insane, and I will leave it at that. Arcadia has spoken to Reynolds. He is a cold, calculating Animatron. That is the team you are letting influence you. I think the people at this forum are forgiving, and to keep your status here, I think in your own way, we all deserve some apology. Please don't think I am making you beg. Not at all. When Mech and I were cursing at each other on line, we went away, and realized how wrong it was. It actually solidified our friendship even more. Saying you are sorry is difficult for Tough Hombres.
Now, you are entitled to your socio/political opinions. I agree that the European model of socialized medicine, culture as a centerpiece, and more realistic approach to climate problems is something America can learn from. Yes, America is where the Nazis fled to, and yes, it has come to fruition here and NOW, and yes it a threat to the entire planet. Perhaps financially China and Europe will bury the dollar, but we Americans let that happen by falling asleep at the wheel, not by being bad people. I am a socialist by heart, but NOT a Communist, and a true socialist sees equality everywhere. Basically, if America followed it's Constitution, we would be the beacon of light we should be, instead of the most hated country on the planet. We never recuperated from the blowing away of JFK. The 60s was the last noble effort to stop this horrible machine. Hopefully, we can still recoup what was lost.
So, thank you for being honest, and I hope you will consider what everyone is saying. We all remember the Truth Seeking Halva.
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Post by altitudelou on Nov 24, 2006 23:44:19 GMT -5
Here is a suggestion Wayne, start your own thread here at Gastro on the Geo-Engineering subject that you want to discuss so badly and let those who want to respond in kind post in that thread_ Let the people who don't want to discuss Geo-Engineering per-se enjoy the relative calm of the other threads without your agitation, is that fair or what?
Just stop being a pain in the ass in every thread that you come into_Deal_No deal ?
I can certainly ignore one thread if you can ignore the rest !
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Post by Swamp Gas on Nov 24, 2006 23:53:06 GMT -5
Good suggestion Lou!! I would even post on that thread.
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Post by socrates on Nov 25, 2006 1:25:39 GMT -5
Promote chemtrails in any manner at all is to me tremendously worse than if someone tries to debunk global warming. The only people I can think of who think the geoengineering might be necessary are "Deep Shield" and Halva. And "Deep Shield" was a crazy hoax, it was a Rense psy-op. I didn't get you thrown off of megasprayer Halva. You got a three day ban and then declared a permanent self-ban. You give me too much credit. This has been good though, I'm not saying I am sure you are an agent provocateur, but it is reassuring to know that there are real people making sincere efforts to stay on top of this chemtrail thing. The gigs up Halva. No one minds if someone is goofy or whatever and says crazy things, as long as they are willing to fess up. You keep playing this dumb act. You couldn't even tell the difference between Thetaloops and Swedishoo. Swedishoo hangs out with Maverick. Thetaloops is some cool avant garde free spirited be here now kind of groovy attitude. Halva is like Cliff Claven from Cheers, always having a lot of good info but somehow it comes out all wrong. Halva, one of those questions from Greece is evil. Is this why you attack the anti-aviation people as fudgers and talk up the geoengineering? You disgust me to be honest. You are a traitor. nothing personal, just how I feel about the character you play on the chemtrail boards. Cliff Halven: You know Swampy and Chem11, I like to live vicariously through you two wild and crazy Americans, but the fake clouds you see up there might be good for us. Those who are against aviation pollution could be baddies. Crutzen could be the goodie. Global Dimming is being overplayed. It's not important that global dimming reports support the claims of upstanding, reputable chemmies. Please ignore my lack of understanding of the basic properties of sulfur. I love Rosalind Peterson. The barium is sweet. What is sulfur?"
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Post by Swamp Gas on Nov 25, 2006 1:39:20 GMT -5
I wonder if Swedishoo is Smell/Jason/Ed Smell/Buzzkill/weatherman714/Smoke/guntoter/fastmover/fastwalker/Cydoniaquest/Maverick. Is Reynolds actually Jim Phelps? What an insane plot... every character except B1BLancer is one person. i often think the same thing myself. Create a site, and then create the illusion I am 50 different people. Ingenius, if not insane.... HEY...GUESS WHO "Smell/ALL OF THE ABOVE" is actually on Gastronamus. HEY ED/JASON/ALL OF THE ABOVE, what's your take on DR Evil admitting Spraying is good for us. STILL THINK IT IS A HOAX? You can still join our side. It is never too late. Unless Exxon/Lockheed/Neo-Cons are paying you a good sum. HOW about you Johnny Spray? Think halva was Full of Shit when he kept foolishly fighting you. Your hack "LIB" at DBS can't help you now. Your Bullshit is now as it always known..TO BE BULLSHIT....Now go and shack up with your Floosie. Boomerzits. Unless you publicly admit your errors and foolishness. I'll even let you come on Gastronamus and lay bare your soul for all of the world to see. You will be cleansed. William Cooper would then be proud of you. Whoever gets the correct answer on who Smell/Ed/Jason/All of the above is gets a full mp3 of the entire "4th Blowing of The Great Nose" CD for download at 128 kbps....HO! HO! come on take a guess..... halva, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE stop fighting Boomershit, Johnny Spray, Ed Stink, and all of the others CRETINS at DBS. FORGET THEM. THEY ARE IRRELEVANT. BY PLAYING THEIR GAME, YOU PLAY INTO THEIR HANDS. DBS IS A SHIT ASS SITE. IF YOU FIGHT DRAGONS LONG ENOUGH....YOU BECOME ONE......
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Post by et in Arcadia ego on Nov 25, 2006 2:19:07 GMT -5
Well, here we all are, one big unhappy family, just about everyone that's been posting on a regular basis wants to see Wayne kicked out of here, hell, now our old friend "Sickle" has had to come back home on this sour friggen Halva / Wayne Hall crap, that's just not right ! On a personal note_ Sickle, best wishes to your better half, tell her Lou & Tiff said to get better, we are thinking good thoughts to her_ peace. Cheers, Lou, you were always one of the Best of the Best and I loved ya from the beginning. See, I like REAL PEOPLE, who can acknowledge the HUMAN ELEMENT that's a critical, but neglected component in posts from individuals like halva. He's ALL business, ALL the time. Like a fucking Robot.Seems kinda funny to me, and no, you were NEVER alone in how you felt about him. When I first joined CTC, I read his posts and immediately tossed him in my ' Unknown Commoddity' Folder. When I battled the HELL out of Phelps at Arianna's, he didn't lift a finger to help anyone but Phelps, and like Magick, * poof* there's the R3ynolds Demon as promised, with half the crew of Maverdick's Losers behind him.. I hope you're all reading this and choking to death on your own vomit, Mavordick's Maggot Brigade. Or is it just one or two of you? You fuck up once in a while, and we keep those fuck-ups to ourselves when we see em, so don't think you're THAT fucking clever, m'kay? NOBODY is. Whether you're a hive or a single person, I crap bigger than you EVERY fucking morning, so bring it on, bastard(s). Halva and Reynolds ate half the fucking internet alive in a single Arianna thread, " It's not nice to fool with Mother Nature'"( Socrates, I STRONGLY suggest you start at the begininning, and read all the way through; it's gonna take at least a week of dedicated reading). Foot Soldier last year admitted to ' muddying the waters' when posting at Arianna's, in reference to an early and highly provocative report of super-mega-complex chemtrail/HAARP programs, pics and all, that were later admitted to being frauduelently co-authored by FS his/her/itself. Foot Soldier also did his/her own special 180% chemtrails-not-Army-shit-but-Global-Warming/Pollution turn last year, and of all people, JAY called FS out on it, and he was RIGHT TO DO IT.. Why the fuck does no one recognize that here now? Damn, I hope y'all had a good Thanksgiving. Good to see the right people, and catching up with Swamp, Theta, Increase, Bigbunny, and Lou, with the addition of meeting Socrates(fight on, bro), it's all been worth it, but what a steaming pile of dog feces this thread is. I reccommend a ' Permanent Solution' to the ' halva' problem( as always, I'm a little heavy-handed that way..but I just gotta be me..) I'll dedicate my next Horror/Ambient track to you, halva. What should we name it? I'll even give you the honors.. If you're still here, of course. Cheers, Donovan ps: Thanks everyone for the support they've sent my Family; we need it..
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Post by et in Arcadia ego on Nov 25, 2006 2:38:11 GMT -5
William Cooper would then be proud of you. Jesus, Wouldn't that be a fucking release..I mean, imagine carrying that burden for this long. This/these person(s) are SICK, as in GET HELP Sick..
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Post by et in Arcadia ego on Nov 25, 2006 2:41:03 GMT -5
There are perhaps two other factors that could explain why some Americans "don't like me". I mention Americans because I don't have bad relations with chemtrails activists in any other country. This might not be entirely a nationality question. Some of the people on this forum have real life contact with each other, just as I have real life contact with some of the people around our site and forum in Greece. Contacts of this kind do make it easier to avoid situations like the kind that has now arisen here. One factor is that I favour a European integration strategy which, if successful, will make the United States into a political and not merely a cultural, appendage of Europe, rather than the opposite, as is now the case. The only thing this statement affirms is that the Crack Cocaine Epidemic has clearly saturated Greece. Good Luck with that one, buddy..It's a real bitch.
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Post by et in Arcadia ego on Nov 25, 2006 2:52:29 GMT -5
You see, it is like admitting that an old friend is not the person you remember. I remember my 35th high school reunion. All of my old hippie friends were now lawyers, cops, dying, or housewives. No one, except 3 guys and 1 female even acknowledged the stuff we used to do in the 60s. I was expecting them to be someone that I remembered, and they literally denied the activities. The 3 guys, the female, Thetaloops, and I went out for a walk, indulged, and all said "What the Fuck happened to these people?". Now mind you, all of us were following current cyberpunk culture, still playing music, and on top of current events. We knew there was a direct lineage from the psychedelic culture of then to now. What happened is the people who were in it just for the sex, drugs, and rock and roll, fell by the wayside, and devolved into exactly who they always were.........FOLLOWERS. Swamp, you're one of the wisest(and most respected) persons in my book, but I need to lend YOU some wisdom on this one: Human Beings have(among other things) a built-in fallacy; they Percieve. The fact that we're capable of doing so is undescribably powerful, and limitless in it's potential, but is also a double-edged sword, because when it boils down to recognizing someone for what they are -vs- what we percieve them as, the perception nearly ALWAYS wins out. We don't want to see a person(especially someone we LIKE, as bad, we want to see them in the way that we want to PERCIEVE them).. To our own remorse, usually. This is a key factor in enabling addiction behavior, and you know that very well.. As do I, unfortunately. I learned that one in Gladiator Camp, and I'm STILL not graduated from there yet.. Addiction excerpt: "Not all doctors agree on what addiction or dependency is, because traditionally, addiction has been defined as being possible only to a psychoactive substance (for example drugs, including alcohol and tobacco), which is ingested, crosses the blood-brain barrier, and alters the natural chemical behavior of the brain temporarily. Many people, both psychology professionals and laypersons, now feel that there should be accommodation made to include psychological dependency on such things as gambling, food, sex, pornography, computers, work, exercise, cutting, and shopping / spending. However, these are things or tasks which, when used or performed, cannot cross the blood-brain barrier and hence, do not fit into the traditional view of addiction. Symptoms mimicking withdrawal may occur with abatement of such behaviors; however, it is said by those who adhere to a traditionalist view that these withdrawal-like symptoms are not strictly reflective of an addiction, but rather of a behavioral disorder. In spite of traditionalist protests and warnings that overextension of definitions may cause the wrong treatment to be used (thus failing the person with the behavioral problem), popular media, and some members of the field, do represent the aforementioned behavioral examples as addictions."Don't enable this guy; cut him loose. He's been sick a long time now. Cheers, D
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Post by socrates on Nov 25, 2006 3:00:19 GMT -5
Foot Soldier is Deborah from Megasprayer. I already unfortunately have read too many of those threads. There is just so much of the rabbit hole one can take. That's why I like it when you legends of the chemtrail boards help us new duders to avoid wasting time. It sounds like you're saying FS is Boomer Chick with a brain transplant.
Yeah, I agree with you Swamp, both you guys, there are maybe a small # of people making a lot of these crazy character robot posts. At DBS I think they have a bunch of creative writing aspirants and multiple id folks, could explain the Deep Shield. I think it's an alphabet production, that's why I don't see r#ymolds or any one else reaching joining the good side. That place is a zoo.
Swedishoo hangs out with Mavericks, and debunker, hasn't much, but the name is so right in your face, like an Ed smelly or Smell. They do all seem like Reynolds or his buddies. I bet there are 5 people who write those posts. Those are characters, not real.
nothing personal debunker, just the name does it.
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Post by halva on Nov 25, 2006 4:27:50 GMT -5
I would prefer to continue posting at DBS and at my own forum halva.proboards46.com than post here under present conditions.
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Post by Swamp Gas on Nov 25, 2006 9:56:25 GMT -5
nothing personal debunker, just the name does it. So that's a vote for debunker is Ed Stench/Smell/Reynolds? OK, we'll wait until everybody else takes their guess. halva, You know I won't throw you off, so perhaps you should voluntarily take a break.
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Post by et in Arcadia ego on Nov 25, 2006 13:28:16 GMT -5
I would prefer to continue posting at DBS and at my own forum halva.proboards46.com than post here under present conditions. Nice seeing you again, take care. Say hello to the assholes for me, I'll be too busy living my own life to endlessly engage them.
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