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Post by Swamp Gas on Dec 8, 2006 22:48:35 GMT -5
Soc, Did you notice the picture behind Smelly and Spray is the same National Geographic?
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Post by socrates on Dec 8, 2006 23:21:29 GMT -5
Soc, Did you notice the picture behind Smelly and Spray is the same National Geographic? You were checking Carnicom's before me then? Those look like chemtrails. That's a chemtrail subliminal article if I've ever seen one. Then they'll say oh, there are more day time flights now, the night flights produce way too much Co2, so more daytime chemtrails, er persistent contrails, oops, supercontrails, um natural water vapour. Smell or whoever that is has drowned that board with his annoying "debunking". He keeps spelling chemtrail as chmtrial. Damn, they are relentless. That guy has to be getting a paycheck, has to be.
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Post by Swamp Gas on Dec 8, 2006 23:26:45 GMT -5
Smell or whoever that is has drowned that board with his annoying "debunking". He keeps spelling chemtrail as chmtrial. Damn, they are relentless. That guy has to be getting a paycheck, has to be. He is an escapee from FreeRepublic or a Right-Wing Mental Ward. These Rednecks just like to holler at people that are more evolved than them. If he is on a payroll, then our tax dollars are being wasted on feeding Cro-Magnons their supper.
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Post by altitudelou on Dec 8, 2006 23:34:05 GMT -5
Hey guys, sorry I took off like that but I just had enough of Waynes BS, the guy is supposed to be intelligent, a teacher, an interpreter and linguist, you would think he could do better than act like some sophomoric high school dropout trying to draw people into his fights, I have told him repeatedly that I will not do that but he keeps trying to suck me into it over there at DBS so we can gang up on Johnny Spray, he really doesn't get it, I am not some mercenary or hired gun, that's Johnny's MO, not mine.
The only way Wayne is going to"win" if you can call it that at DBS is to just get the hell out of that shit pit and away from the nature of his problems, as long as he remains there nothing will change, the same few mouths will continue to rant and rave and it is just pathetically dysfunctional to stay in a situation like that, maybe Wayne is just to close to it to see reality, what a waste of talent.
Wayne is going to end up with battered wife syndrome if he doesn't get out of that relationship.
That's all for me this day, I'm going for a brandy and then bed,........ I'm back out.
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Post by socrates on Dec 8, 2006 23:40:12 GMT -5
Hey Swamp this article might back up your titanium theory. Architecture in Italy goes greenBy Elisabetta Povoledo / International Herald Tribune Published: November 22, 2006 A new material used in the Dives in Misericordia church in Rome, designed by the U.S. architect Richard Meier, contains a compound that "eats" surrounding smog. (Liao Yusheng) excerpt: VENICE: When the American architect Richard Meier was asked to create a church in Rome to commemorate the 2,000th anniversary of Christianity, he designed an imposing white concrete structure dominated by three soaring "sails." The project's main technical sponsor got to work on a cement that would enhance Meier's trademark white sculptural forms. It came up with a material that essentially cleans itself, minimizing the need for maintenance. What the sponsor, Italcementi Group, did not know at the time was that the new material - which contained titanium dioxide, a compound used as a white pigment - had another peculiarity. It "eats" surrounding smog. Extensive testing, sponsored in part by a European Union research project into "smart" antipollution materials, has since determined that construction products containing titanium dioxide help to destroy air pollutants found in car exhaust and heating emissions, scientists say... Titanium dioxide had been used in self-cleaning coatings before because of its photocatalytic properties: sunlight touching the compound triggers a chemical reaction that accelerates natural oxidation. Upon testing its new cement, however, Italcementi realized that the material also had the ability to break down nitrogen oxides emitted in the burning of fossil fuels. "That means there will be a reduction of pollutants in the atmosphere," said Dimitrios Kotzias, who carried out tests on titanium dioxide construction materials at a center in Ispra, Italy, one of seven institutes that together make up the European Commission's Joint Research Center.
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Post by socrates on Dec 8, 2006 23:47:00 GMT -5
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Post by halva on Dec 9, 2006 0:05:36 GMT -5
Hey guys, sorry I took off like that but I just had enough of Waynes BS, the guy is supposed to be intelligent, a teacher, an interpreter and linguist, you would think he could do better than act like some sophomoric high school dropout trying to draw people into his fights, I have told him repeatedly that I will not do that but he keeps trying to suck me into it over there at DBS so we can gang up on Johnny Spray, he really doesn't get it, I am not some mercenary or hired gun, that's Johnny's MO, not mine. The only way Wayne is going to"win" if you can call it that at DBS is to just get the hell out of that shit pit and away from the nature of his problems, as long as he remains there nothing will change, the same few mouths will continue to rant and rave and it is just pathetically dysfunctional to stay in a situation like that, maybe Wayne is just to close to it to see reality, what a waste of talent. Wayne is going to end up with battered wife syndrome if he doesn't get out of that relationship. That's all for me this day, I'm going for a brandy and then bed,........ I'm back out. Enjoy your brandy Lou. Look, I've got nothing against you. It's the objective absurdity of a situation of such contradiction between real reality and official reality that generates these tensions and these arguments. But face up to the fact that it is physically impossible for me to comply with your requirement that I both leave DBS and post your writings there. So if you would like to figure out what you would REALLY like me to do, please tell me.
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Post by halva on Dec 9, 2006 1:29:57 GMT -5
The Smelly-Clem Trails and Johnny Spray Show is all over the Internet. The only people who think they have any credibility is the Maverick's Saloon, who still think GW Bush is a great president, just to show you how out of touch these crackpots are. But, we keep their insanity alive by us even talking about them. I believe halva and Broomer Stick are the only two that take them seriously on the "Liberal" side of things. Broomer wanted attention from someone other than her sleepy, detached husband which Johnny gave, halva is just addicted to arguing with them (12 step program for you halva......first...Goof around), and of course Smelly is the Stan Laurel of the Smelly and JohnnySpray Show. So, let me say this. I am amused, but getting bored with them two. It has been 5 1/2 years, and they are like boils on your ass that won't go away. But, parody and satire need people like this to exist. Dr Strangelove is still relevant today because the same people exist today. Parody and satire from Aristophanes onwards have been conservative in orientation. They assume a constituted authority to whom an appeal can be made to appreciate the ridiculous nature of the objects of satire, and do something about them. That is just what is missing at the moment, UNLESS WE BECOME IT!!! Swamp, the methodological error you make is to forget that this "liberal" political milieu exists on both sides of the Atlantic and its more "progressive" component on the European side of the pond, the European "gatekeeper Left" has to be brought out of the protest mode into becoming part of a new international authority structure. This can only be done with American assistance. Assistance from "we the people". What I recommend in relation to Reynolds is proactive, not reactive, ignoring.
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Post by altitudelou on Dec 9, 2006 2:13:25 GMT -5
Wayne Hall / Halva wrote, "Enjoy your brandy Lou. Look, I've got nothing against you. It's the objective absurdity of a situation of such contradiction between real reality and official reality that generates these tensions and these arguments. But face up to the fact that it is physically impossible for me to comply with your requirement that I both leave DBS and post your writings there. So if you would like to figure out what you would REALLY like me to do, please tell me." _________________________________________________ Thank you Wayne, I always enjoy my brandy when I have one, or two, it does have this wonderful calming effect on me, amazing actually. I had not realized that I asked you to post anything of mine at DBS but pleas, don't let that stop you from leaving that black hole, feel free to move on, I will muddle through without your help, somehow. Socrates is correct, where has all of the riff raff at DBS gone, it looks deserted over there, the two stooges are no where to be seen, the whole place has that "Boot Hill" feeling to it. Spray and Smell must have pulled back to huddle and try to come up with a strategy to try and get around the watchthesky.org/chems/chemdata.htm information on the upper air sounding data that proves Chemtrail Spraying is real and the so called persistent contrail excuse to cover the spraying up is just that, an excuse, a lie, a cover up. I'm sure that they will not give up that easily, no doubt they are as I write this post preparing some sort of rebuttal, I don't know how they can as most of the information is Johnny Spray and Smell fool proof, right from the (NWS) National Weather Service, maybe they have to consult with a higher authority before they are allowed to proceed any further, I'm still waiting to see some kind of a response from them, since they have not come out ranting, raving and attacking as usual when someone post "proof" of the Chemtrail Spraying, It's obviously that they are scared by this latest information and don't know how to handle it because it's all fact, all truth, all empirical evidence. What do you have to say there Johnny, are you at a loss for words, that would be a first, wouldn't it, we are waiting Oh great Arkansas Onion Oracle, speak or can't you find a way to deny the fact that your persistent contrail's have been proven to be the HOAX, not the Chemtrail's that produce them, who's the HOAXER and CON now, A-What. Come on big boy, stick your head out. Sorry Wayne, I got distracted for a moment on that "dumb arguing with Johnny Spray about contrails Vs chemtrails" thing, what where we discussing? Oh yeah, Wayne, do what is best for Wayne Hall, your first responsibility is to yourself before others, so pay no attention to whatever misguided feelings of responsibility that you seem to have assigned to me for some reason, you have no responsibility to or for me or my actions at all, I thought we had this out at CTC but evidently not, so, 'render unto Caesar what is Caesars and unto thy self firstly', that is the only and best advise that I can offer you, take it or leave it as you wish. Good luck with whatever you decide.
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Post by halva on Dec 9, 2006 3:02:18 GMT -5
This posting of Reynolds at DBS: www.debatebothsides.com/showpost.php?p=701434&postcount=1531shows quite clearly that he is a traitor to the religious-patriot milieu that spawned him and an objective ally of the Monbiots and Greenpeaces. But his work is entirely destructive: to destroy his own scene and his own networks. He is incapable of moving on to do anything constructive or positive But his allies Greenpeace and perhaps Monbiot are capable of moving on.
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Post by halva on Dec 10, 2006 0:06:20 GMT -5
How has Johnnyspray parted company from the religious right? Though identifying with 'mainstream' right-wing religious politics as personified by the Bush regime, he is increasingly out of touch with its grassroots, a large sector of whom would not be persuadable any more that "chemtrails" are something imaginary. And at the summit too there are signs that the ground is being prepared for a change of line, notwithstanding the political temptations of continuing in the present "divide-and-rule" mode of denying both anthropogenic climate change and the measures that are being taken (among other things) to "deal with" it. The political milieu that Johnnyspray has betrayed are 'states righters' who do not accept the legitimacy of the US Federal government. They are being joined at the moment by increasing numbers of other Americans who are beginning to refuse to pay tax to your federal government. But here there is a dilemma. To go backwards to 'state rights' and secessionism or to go forwards to new forms of political organization at a higher level. The 'new evolutionary step' that Deborah has mentioned. David Stewart has written on Californian secessionism and a Schwarzenegger for President of a republic of California. www.enouranois.gr/english/sygrafeisenglish/david/david1.htmBut this was surely just joking. There may be 'far rightists' who take this kind of thing seriously but few other American citizens who have begun to refuse to pay their taxes would like to see the US go along the road of breakup like the Soviet Union. So it's not worthwhile even talking about secessionism. What about the idea of trying to find external support, though, for the tax disobedience campaign? What about offering to pay the unpaid US Federal tax to the institutions of civil society in the European Union that are beginning to take up the task of writing a new European Union constitution, following the failure of the effort assigned to Giscard d'Estaing by the European Commission and Council to gain support from the voters of France and Holland? When the new citizens' Europe has an ally in the United States, the American tax monies could once again begin to be paid to an American government. Are ideas so apparently fanciful of any use in dealing with more immediate problems?? Probably Lou doesn't think so. They will continue to underlie any interventions I make on more concrete subjects, both here and at DBS.
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Post by Swamp Gas on Dec 10, 2006 0:48:22 GMT -5
When DannyRock comes back, Titnium Dioxide has been a large factor in his theories on Aerosol Mitigation. It makes sense to me. Blocks UV-B, sunlight, reduces pollutants, and Ozone Depletion. With my friends having the high titnium levels, as well as other patients of their doctor, this also rings true.
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Post by halva on Dec 10, 2006 0:53:23 GMT -5
There is a young man in Greece researching the medical effects of the spraying. Have you got concrete data from these friends on the high levels of titanium?
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Post by Swamp Gas on Dec 10, 2006 1:03:59 GMT -5
It was two years ago, and they may or may not have the reports, but I'm sure their doctor does. I'll contact them. I have an HMO that pays for elaborate blood tests free, so maybe I'll get a titanium, barium, and aluminum test done. It would be curious because I got chelation treatment done 25 years ago, and if anyhing is showing up, it would be coming from enviornment, and not diet. We haven't used aluminum utensils since the early 70s, we don't eat wild mushrooms, rarely use sunscreen, and barium is not too plentiful in New Jersey www.epa.gov/OGWDW/dwh/t-ioc/barium.html
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Post by halva on Jan 20, 2007 8:48:50 GMT -5
The coming of a debunker called 'someone' to the Greek-language chemtrails forum has brought it home for the first time to some of the Greeks following this issue what American 'chemmies' have been subjected to for years now.
After a fight that looked as if it was going to dissolve the forum there has been a restoration of calm that may be the prelude to a long period of trench warfare.
These are points I made in a posting: What has to be done is to separate genuine inputs from 'false signature' inputs and exclude the latter by every available means short of armed violence.
What are 'false signature' inputs? Just imagine that the nuclear lobby feels that it is losing ground on the public relations front and decides to demand of governments that from now on nuclear power stations will be built secretly under the mantle of 'national security'.
If this came to pass, the task for the various 'someones' would be to drive a wedge between the anti-nuclear movement and the newly emerging 'conspiracy theorists' who would be starting to claim that illegal nuclear power stations were beginning to be built secretly. The most suitable people for this 'someone' work would be opponents of nuclear energy, who could argue convincingly that the scientific discussion between supporters and opponents of nuclear energy should not be derailed by irrelevant input from extremists claiming - without proof - that nuclear power stations are being built secretly and illegally.
The power stations could of course be built underground, or in places off-limits to civilians, or they could be declared not to be nuclear power stations but something else.
The ‘genuine inputs’ in the climate change/geoengineering debate are on the one hand scientists such as Paul Crutzen who declare themselves in favour of aerosol spraying (in his case in the stratosphere) and on the other hand activists – whose most persuasive representative so far is in my opinion the American Rosalind Peterson – opposing the spraying without excluding the possibility that such spraying programmes might already be under way, in this way distinguishing themselves from ecological organizations such as Greenpeace, and from the movement against climate change in general, whose spokespersons inevitably claim that there is no evidence of spraying programmes actually being carried out now.
It is preferable for dialogue to be with people such as Crutzen, who are declaredly in favour of spraying – though Crutzen too may be expected to ‘fudge’ numerous issues – than for it to be with people who are ostensibly against the spraying but at the same time say that they KNOW IT IS NOT HAPPENING!
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Post by socrates on Jan 20, 2007 15:44:38 GMT -5
It is pointless to discuss chemtrails with either:
1)geoengineering advocates saying it is not happening in any form
or with 2)those who say it would be wrong to do yet agree with the others that it is also not taking place.
The real problem is with those who say it is under way yet who rely on tinfoil sources and the argument that anyone who is interested in exposing the fake believers is neurotic or trying to tear down chemtrail forums. The real problem is with those not trying to tear down the chemtrail forums, but with those turning these places into jibberish making it very easy for people to think this is a hoax. The real problem is with the fake believers.
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Post by Swamp Gas on Jan 20, 2007 16:13:58 GMT -5
THIS IS NOT A CHEMTRAIL FORUM!!
This is a Aerosols Thread.
Aerosol mitigation is one subject in a thread area. As far as I can see, halva NEVER denied Aerosol spraying is taking place.
As I said before, your denial of Israel-Likud-Zionist being a problem is bordering on being a fake to use your train of logic
Halva thinks the Zionists are a problem. So who is the ultimate "fake", and who is expressing their opinions, regardless of how misinformed they are?
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Post by socrates on Jan 20, 2007 23:02:04 GMT -5
posted by Swampgas:
"As I said before, your denial of Israel-Likud-Zionist being a problem is bordering on being a fake to use your train of logic..."
I never said they were not a problem.
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Post by socrates on Jan 20, 2007 23:11:24 GMT -5
Yitzak Rabin was working towards a peace settlement but got knocked off by Israeli fascists. Jimmy Carter was working towards world peace but got drilled by Lee Atwater and the Republican psy-op team. The result was the Republican Revolution and this slide into American totalitarianism. That America is the chief instigator is easy to forget if there is an overemphasis on the Israeli government. If we clean up our own house, then Israel will have to do the right thing or will become completely ostracized. The truth is that both governments are very bad. But one is where we live, the one which is the superpower war mongerer.
I never said that the Israeli government wasn't bad.
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Post by Swamp Gas on Jan 20, 2007 23:31:18 GMT -5
the disagreement is whether who is pulling the strings, the USA or Israel.
read the Zionisi-Nazi thread.
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Post by halva on Jan 21, 2007 1:49:16 GMT -5
One of Socrates' lesser whines about me is that I post off-topic.
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Post by CDsNuTz on Jan 21, 2007 9:34:35 GMT -5
Good God Halva, can't you just STFU and leave well enough alone? You've basically got Swamp backing you and you still have to throw in your little jabs here and there..It's gotten to the point where I'm beginning to reget ever suggesting you come to this forum...
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Post by CDsNuTz on Jan 21, 2007 9:51:54 GMT -5
Same for you Soc, There has been nothing but chaos here since you arrived. I'm about sick of this whole thing with you and Halva, So STFU already. I'm also sick of hearing how everything other then what you believe is "tinfoil"..What makes you such an expert? It has come to a point where I believe most people would not post here in fear of being labeled "TINFOIL". If anyone is the instigator in this place it is certainly you. What have you actually contributed to this forum besides running people off?.......Anything?? Anything at all?
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Post by et in Arcadia ego on Jan 21, 2007 10:28:42 GMT -5
Same for you Soc, There has been nothing but chaos here since you arrived. I'm about sick of this whole thing with you and Halva, So STFU already. I'm also sick of hearing how everything other then what you believe is "tinfoil"..What makes you such an expert? It has come to a point where I believe most people would not post here in fear of being labeled "TINFOIL". If anyone is the instigator in this place it is certainly you. What have you actually contributed to this forum besides running people off?.......Anything?? Anything at all? W00T! Look who's back in town! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by socrates on Jan 21, 2007 13:28:56 GMT -5
the disagreement is whether who is pulling the strings, the USA or Israel. read the Zionisi-Nazi thread. I see your point then. I just don't agree with you that Israel controls the US if that is what you are saying. The way I see it, there is no way to turn back time or reestablish boundary lines. Otherwise, The USA would become Native American, the British/Protestants would lose Northern Ireland, Kuwait would become part of Iraq like it used to be, etc.. I completely agree with you about the AIPAC and the lobbying bullshit going on. Sibel Edmonds has spoken about a similar problem with Turkey as regards to Dennis Hastert and others, they were paying US politicians to not vote for recognition of the genocide committed against Armenians in the early 20th century. I also see the point about the Pat Robertson Zionazi types. I just feel that it is the governments of the world, the elites that suck and not the people. In every place in the world there are good people fighting for peace. The biggest problem to me is the US. We along with France represent democracy in history. These countries were the first to break away from the monarchy and establish individual rights. With the US falling into fascism, I think this has given the evil forces in the Israeli govt. the go ahead to do the same. We had JFK knocked off. They had Rabin knocked off. It is an ugly situation. I am curious Swampgas what your vision of a solution is. Mine would be to keep Israel as a country, but they would have to give land back, other countries in the region could chip in land, and Palestine should become a nation of its own. Then, we need universal human rights and the end to all illegal wars, new economies based on the good of the earth and the people. And because Israel does have such a religious significance for so many people, there needs to be a way for all to have access to it. It is a messy situation. Perhaps if Northern Ireland can be figured out, which apparently there have been some good moves there towards peace, then it could be the model for similar peace developments in the Middle East.
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Post by socrates on Jan 21, 2007 13:34:44 GMT -5
...If anyone is the instigator in this place it is certainly you. What have you actually contributed to this forum besides running people off?.......Anything?? Anything at all? I didn't run anyone off. That is how some people want this to be seen. As regards to you saying I have contributed nothing, that is a ludicrous statement. It says more about you than myself.
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Post by Swamp Gas on Jan 21, 2007 14:13:26 GMT -5
CD, Don't apologize for anything. I am not defending halva, I am simply saying everyone has the right to an opinion, and everyone has the right to debate an opinion.
This attacking with "tinfoil" attached to every post is utter nonsense. I agree with you CDsNutz, anyone who reads this site is off the beaten path, and would be offended seeing this
Socrates, as I said in another thread, what does it take for you to stop attacking halva?
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Post by et in Arcadia ego on Jan 21, 2007 16:06:25 GMT -5
Socrates, as I said in another thread, what does it take for you to stop attacking halva? Maybe he should start his own forum since every forum in existance is paid disinfo by his own estimation. Get up, get out there and Be Your Own Boss.. YEAH! And as for myself being the outted disinfo agent Socrates blew my cover wide open on, I should state in all fairness I've bugged my bosses to allow me a 30 second reservation to employ the Illuminati Targeted Individual DeathRay we have parked in orbit. This is going to cost me the equivelant of several thousand hours of online disinfo psy-ops on my part, but it'll be worth it to see Socrates blasted into smaller particles than the crappy shake he's used to smoking.
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Post by Swamp Gas on Jan 21, 2007 16:53:35 GMT -5
That is a good idea Socrates. Start your own forum: www.proboards.comor stay here and be nice to us veterans
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Post by socrates on Jan 21, 2007 17:35:40 GMT -5
Swamp, if you want me to go, I will. Just say it.
Arcadia, where did I out you as a disinfo agent? You must be thinking of the hidden thread where I posted your words expressing airliner.net type debunker strategies, that chemtrails are contrails. So you bringing this up here like you have is unfair and must be confusing to anyone who hasn't seen the hidden thread.
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