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Post by Mech on May 8, 2008 19:36:22 GMT -5
Al Gore Confronted by We Are ChangeVIDEO: uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ake4C8YhUb4&eurl=http://prisonplanet.com/articles/may2008/050808_gore_confronted.htm Gore Confronted On Global Warming Hysteria We Are Change Ohio attempts to challenge orthodoxy of church of environmentalism Paul Joseph Watson Prison Planet Thursday, May 8, 2008 Former Vice-President Al Gore, fresh from exploiting the tragedy in Burma to push more climate change hysteria (since cyclones and storms didn't exist before global warming), was confronted during a recent speaking event by a group who dared to question the orthodoxy of the church of environmentalism. We Are Change Ohio gatecrashed a May 4th speech in Columbus Ohio in an attempt to point out that there is no "consensus" on global warming and the debate is far from over "Hey Al we don't want your carbon tax, plants need carbon dioxide to breathe!," shouted one.Gore's church of environmentalism congregation zealously applauded every time he was forced to respond to hecklers and demanded the miscreants be silent. "What about the 22,000 scientists that say it's not true, that it's caused by the sun?" yelled another, to which the congregation screamed "shut up!" amidst shock that a mere peon would dare question Lord Gore's climate authodoxy. After the event the group unfurled a huge banner that read "No Carbon Tax -- It's A Scam," which drew the interest of two of Gore's security minions who demanded to know who the protesters were. Some of Gore's supporters were offended that their religion was being criticized and refused to engage in any kind of rational debate and stormed off - perhaps living in denial that there is not a "consensus" on global warming as the corporate media so often likes to falsely claim. Al Gore's 20 room private mansion uses 20 times the national U.S. average of gas and electricity, as Gore lavishes himself in his heated swimming pool while poor people and the middle class await the onslaught of carbon taxes to eviscerate any disposable income they have left.Gore's claim that global warming is causing increased ferocity of extreme weather events like hurricanes and the deadly cyclone in Burma has been disputed by actual meteorologists and professors. One of the central philosophies of climate change alarmism and an image that adorned the cover of Al Gore's An Inconvenient Truth - the contention that global warming causes deadly hurricanes - has been completely discredited by the expert who first proposed it. Hurricane buff and professor of Atmospheric Science at MIT Kerry Emanuel asserted for over 20 years that global warming breeds more frequent and stronger storms and he shot to prominence just one month before Hurricane Katrina in 2005 when he delivered the "final proof" that global warming was already causing extreme weather events and wrecking livelihoods. Unfortunately for the church of environmentalism, who ceaselessly profess to have a monopoly on truth and insist that "the debate is over" on global warming, Emanuel has completely recanted his position and now admits that hurricanes and storms will actually decline over the next 200 years and have little or no correlation with global temperature change whatsoever. In addition, as the Business and Media Institute reports, "In October 2007, CNN Meteorologist Rob Marciano disputed Gore’s claim that there is a strong correlation between intense storms and global warming. He explained that “global warming does not conclusively cause stronger hurricanes like we've seen,” pointing out that “by the end of this century we might get about a 5-percent increase.” Hurricane researchers William Gray and Philip Klotzbach of Colorado State University have also discounted man-made global warming as a contributor to increased hurricane activity. "Long-period natural climate alterations that historical and paleo-climate records show to have occurred many times in the past," are responsible for hurricane patterns according to the r
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Post by KNOWTHIS on May 8, 2008 20:00:06 GMT -5
Hey Mech, did you happen to catch Alex Jones the other day finally admitting that he had family ties to the oil industry in Texas? He didn't admit to being personally involved but he did talk about some unnamed family members in the business. He kind of downplayed it by saying that everyone in Texas has oil ties. I could probably hunt down a download for that particular show in case you don't believe it. Do you not feel that such interests could have an impact on his views?
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Post by Swamp Gas on May 8, 2008 23:28:45 GMT -5
Al Gore and Alex Jones both have issues and contradictions. I just take the ideas that are not contradictory, and incorporate them into my own. Or better yet, what do they agree on?
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Post by Mech on May 9, 2008 15:35:45 GMT -5
Hey Mech, did you happen to catch Alex Jones the other day finally admitting that he had family ties to the oil industry in Texas? He didn't admit to being personally involved but he did talk about some unnamed family members in the business. He kind of downplayed it by saying that everyone in Texas has oil ties. I could probably hunt down a download for that particular show in case you don't believe it. Do you not feel that such interests could have an impact on his views? What's your point? I have Canadian relatives that are involved in Canadian oil extraction. Does that mean I "work for exxon"? I don't think so. |
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Post by KNOWTHIS on May 9, 2008 16:24:03 GMT -5
My point is this. Let’s theoretically assume that a given individual has several close family members who currently work in the automobile industry for example. These family members obviously rely upon their place of employment for their salaries, pensions and health benefits. This individual would then have an obvious interest in seeing that particular company remain relatively successful. This relationship might very well create a favorable bias within that person towards that business in general. Given the power to do so, he/she might even say or do anything to ensure the well being of that particular company for the sake of keeping his family members employed. I’m not saying that it’s right or wrong. I am saying that it’s a natural human inclination.
Alex Jones holds the unique position of being a very influential person by means of talk radio. If he has family members whom he cares about in the oil industry then he has a vested interest in it by default. I think you’re being unrealistic if you think that this family connection wouldn’t have any impact whatsoever on his views of the oil industry.
I heard Alex once say that the record profits currently being enjoyed by the major oil companies are nothing compared to what the Rockefellers have as if to downplay their gratuitous fortunes. This comment sounded dangerously close to what Glenn Beck might say minus the Rockefeller reference. I’m sure that even the Bush family members who aren’t directly involved in the oil industry still have a skewed view of it, in the positive direction.You won’t see the Bush twins denounce the oil industry now will you? Now why is that do you think?
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Post by Mech on May 9, 2008 17:31:28 GMT -5
Its even simpler than that.
You prefer Air America over Alex Jones and (to me) that says it all.
If Air America isn't totally 100% compromised...i cant think of any network besides EIB (Rush Limbaugh) that is more bought-and-paid-for.
Putting Alex Jones and Glenn Beck in the same sentence is totally laughable.
Al Gore isn't going to save you from "greedy oil companies"...in fact Al Gore has much stock in Occidental Petroleum...soo WHO'S side is that fake liberal really on?
Taxing the shit out of the poor and middle class will only profit for the super elite.
Period.
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Post by Swamp Gas on May 9, 2008 20:55:08 GMT -5
Its even simpler than that. You prefer Air America over Alex Jones and (to me) that says it all. If Air America isn't totally 100% compromised...i cant think of any network besides EIB (Rush Limbaugh) that is more bought-and-paid-for. That's bullshit, and you know it. Coz Carson in the morning constantly talks of the NWO, police state, and 9/11 inside job. They have shows on 9/11 contradictions. Of course there is Zionist influences. Then again, Alex Jones belongs to that Brotherhood that wants to overthrow the US Constitution. What I think KNOWTHIS was trying to say is that Alex Jones has a lot of views that are the same as Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter, and Bill O'Reilly. You know, these fascist, corporate, war monger types. Mech, you are so sure you and Alex Jones are 100% correct, that you fail to even acknowledge when you might have been wrong. Do I have to keep repeating this OVER AND OVER: Alex Jones is Correct on antiwar, 9/11, the Police State, NWO He does not know his ass from a hole in the ground with regards to Global Warming, Gay issues, and Feminist Issues Al Gore is correct on Global Warming, antiwar, gay issues, and feminist issues He does not know his ass from a hole in the ground when it comes to 9/11. |
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Post by KNOWTHIS on May 10, 2008 15:15:43 GMT -5
Its even simpler than that. You prefer Air America over Alex Jones and (to me) that says it all. If Air America isn't totally 100% compromised...i cant think of any network besides EIB (Rush Limbaugh) that is more bought-and-paid-for. Putting Alex Jones and Glenn Beck in the same sentence is totally laughable. Al Gore isn't going to save you from "greedy oil companies"...in fact Al Gore has much stock in Occidental Petroleum...soo WHO'S side is that fake liberal really on? Taxing the shit out of the poor and middle class will only profit for the super elite. Period. You’re wrong. I don’t really have preferences in terms of radio and I really don’t listen to Air America that much other than Clout occasionally. The only reason that I promote 9/11 truth on Air America so much is because I’d like to see the truth movement expand and attain new converts instead of just preaching to the choir all the time. When you’re in radio and you work for someone else, you serve your ratings. Without them you’re gone. If we could create a demand for 9/11 truth in other venues, it might just take hold. I feel that I’m doing the right thing. Alex Jones basically works for himself so he isn’t susceptible to the same kinds of pressures. The kinds of advertisers that he has don’t care if he says that Bush worships the devil which is fine. You also said that I trust Air America more than I trust Alex Jones when the truth is that I don’t trust anyone 100%. I think it’s dangerous to do so. If I see something that I don’t like about Alex Jones I’m going to say it just like I’ve criticized Randi Rhodes. Since when has another human being been elevated to an untouchable status? I’ll tell you what Mech. You find me the perfect person and I’ll trust them like an infallible God. Until then, I’m not bowing down for anybody. By the way Mech, I agree with you probably 99% of the time. It's just that we spend 99% of our time arguing over that 1% of disagreement. Personally I think it's healthy that we have our differences. We're not robots programmed to see the world exactly the same way. |
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Post by KNOWTHIS on May 10, 2008 15:32:54 GMT -5
Alex Jones does share some of the same views as those people. He certainly has no qualms about denigrating homosexuals on a regular basis. He recently referred to them as a "depraved death cult" which I found to be deplorable. Michael Savage might not even go that far. And if he would, well, it's not exactly great company to keep.
He also helps to propagate the popularized myth that most gay people are child predators. The truth is that a vast majority of pedophiles are heterosexual, around 95%. Why don’t we slander all straight people then? It's just ignorance and it's a major fault that I see in Alex Jones. Am I supposed to just pretend that he's not bigoted? That's not my style. I'm not fake. I say what's on my mind.
I feel sorry for Jones a way because I understand that his distorted understanding of gay people is rooted in his rigid belief of religious fairy tales. That’s why he also goes after atheists so much, just like a Glenn Beck would. News flash. There are no such thing as talking snakes. Never was, never will be. Anyone that takes his or her “moral” guidance from an aging book which professes such absurdity needs to be scrutinized to some degree. Religion is such a security blanket for adults. It's the polar opposite of critical thinking though.
I think Alex means well. He really believes that gays are evil. He's wrong though. It's the perpetuation of that kind of fear and ignorance towards gay people which helped to create a hateful societal atmosphere which was conducive to the fatal beating of Mathew Sheppard. Most "gay bashers" use the Bible to justify their violence. Now THAT IS EVIL.
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Post by Swamp Gas on May 10, 2008 16:55:33 GMT -5
I really don't like to hear Alex bashing or Al Gore bashing. They both have their issues, and I find common points. The robots that follow their every word are the ones I find dangerous.
I don't go to Al Gore for Police State and 9/11 issues. I listen and compare notes to Alex Jones and Mike Rivero.
I don't go to Alex Jones and Mike Rivero for Global Warming, Gay, and Feminists issues. I compare notes to Al Gore, Janeane Garafalo, and Mike Malloy.
It is really very simple. My family background is unions, firemen, police, farmers, hippies, beatniks, musicians, artists, engineers, mechanics, tavern owners, construction, and the common people. I don't have much in common with Bible Thumpers, Homophobes, and Corporatists.
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Post by Mech on May 10, 2008 17:31:35 GMT -5
Alex Jones does share some of the same views as those people. He certainly has no qualms about denigrating homosexuals on a regular basis. He recently referred to them as a "depraved death cult" which I found to be deplorable. Michael Savage might not even go that far. And if he would, well, it's not exactly great company to keep. He also helps to propagate the popularized myth that most gay people are child predators. The truth is that a vast majority of pedophiles are heterosexual, around 95%. Why don’t we slander all straight people then? It's just ignorance and it's a major fault that I see in Alex Jones. Am I supposed to just pretend that he's not bigoted? That's not my style. I'm not fake. I say what's on my mind. I feel sorry for Jones a way because I understand that his distorted understanding of gay people is rooted in his rigid belief of religious fairy tales. That’s why he also goes after atheists so much, just like a Glenn Beck would. News flash. There are no such thing as talking snakes. Never was, never will be. Anyone that takes his or her “moral” guidance from an aging book which professes such absurdity needs to be scrutinized to some degree. Religion is such a security blanket for adults. It's the polar opposite of critical thinking though. I think Alex means well. He really believes that gays are evil. He's wrong though. It's the perpetuation of that kind of fear and ignorance towards gay people which helped to create a hateful societal atmosphere which was conducive to the fatal beating of Mathew Sheppard. Most "gay bashers" use the Bible to justify their violence. Now THAT IS EVIL. Now you are lumping Alex jones in with radical christians. Whatever. I don't buy it. There are radical GAYS out there who seek to push homosexuality in public schools on kids under 12 so....I suppose its up to you who's side you want to be on. Also.......If you want to go so WAYYYYYYYY off topic....so be it. Alex Jone has to toe the line to get listeners to some degree. If he flat out sayed that he didn't believe in "Christ" he'd lose a HUGE core demographic...the very people that "progressives" bitch and moan about not ever seeing the big picture. In other words...lets see YOU try waking up "the okies" from watching their football games and armchair, beerdrinking, bible believing lifestyles. I'll bet YOU wouldn't get many converts. If it weren't for Alex...im sure many of those "Conservative Christians" would still be "Dittoheads". No Thanks. Id rather have them listening to Alex Jones....and if they get some intelligence....many of them will take it a step further in questioning "OTHER" things. Know-This.....from what ive read through many of your post over the years here...you have a HUGE thing about Christians and bash them at every opportunity you get. Doesn't offend me....but thats just an observation. PS. The "death cult" reference to gays is refering to a small group of gay men called "BUG CHASERS" who actually (proven) seek out to get HIV and worship the virus. To me...thats SICK...but whatever. Some people call that "normal" behavior". I don't. |
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Post by Swamp Gas on May 10, 2008 17:47:40 GMT -5
You just proved the point. Why shouldn't kids learn that everyone is NOT standard heterosexual people?
What kind of a threat is it to you personally?
you seem to have no problem in telling flat earth theories about no global warming to kids.
I just hope you are not becoming a Jonesbot?
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Post by Mech on May 10, 2008 18:03:52 GMT -5
You just proved the point. Why shouldn't kids learn that everyone is NOT standard heterosexual people? What kind of a threat is it to you personally? you seem to have no problem in telling flat earth theories about no global warming to kids. I just hope you are not becoming a Jonesbot? Wrong....wrong...wrong....... Homosexuals can do whatever they want...thats their business. I don't have to like it. Just like I don't "have" to like the Klu Klux Klan....or I don't have to like La Raza wanting to take over the Southwest. I have NO problem making my OPINION known that climate change exists (but not Al Gores THEORy that is "all man's fault) and there is little man can do to effect the atmospheric climate. Obviously cutting down all the trees is a bad thing and so is air pollution. BUT...I think Gore's theories on MAN MADE "Global Warming" are total bullshit through and through. Fuck him and fuck his Global Tax. He can stick it up his ass and take it to his multi-million Dollar carbon spewing mansion....or his carbon spewing corportate jet he flies around on. We Are Cahange said it best......... "Hey Al....... we don't want your carbon tax, plants need carbon dioxide to breathe!" |
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Post by Swamp Gas on May 10, 2008 18:08:48 GMT -5
Plants have a saturation point for CO2, and spewing more reverses the absorption.
It is not like, "More CO2 = more plants".
Like I said, I think Alex and the Right Wingers have a Corporatist attitude toward the Global Warming issue, and I think they are basically full of crap, on everything except 9/11 and the Police State.
Some of us can differentiate the irrational views of both the left and the right from the rational views.
I refuse to be a Jonesbot or a Gorebot.
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Post by Swamp Gas on May 10, 2008 18:15:09 GMT -5
Well, of course, gays have strung up blacks in lynchings, and shot whites who marched in the Civil Rights marches in the 60s, just like the Klan. Those Evil "Homa-shesuals, nobody is makin' us good ol' boys look like La Cage Aux Folles" .  |
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Post by Mech on May 10, 2008 18:45:11 GMT -5
I'm sorry but I think Gay men who chase AIDS in order to get it.... is indeed evil.....dictionary definition. findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1589/is_2004_Feb_17/ai_n6023708Those Evil "Homa-shesuals, nobody is makin' us good ol' boys look like La Cage Aux Folles" . Umm...so now you are bashing Rural Culture Swamp? See its ok to bash the working class folk who live out in the woods...but OH MY.... if for one minute you question gay culture....look out. |
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Post by Swamp Gas on May 10, 2008 19:01:20 GMT -5
If Rednecks want to bash hard working city folk, then they should be prepared to get it back. For you to imply that Rural people are the only hard working ones is ridiculous. My dad, Mom, Aunts, Uncles, and other family members were hard working middle class city folk. It is these Rural Dittoheads that would go along with Union busting, Gay bashing, or any other command their Corporate masters tell them to.
I never had a problem with gays, but just having long hair or a New York accent is enough to let some of these dumb shits to start trouble. Have you ever been in a situation like that? I have. I think you are grasping at a reason to hate gays because your Alex tells you to.
Now a guy like Willie Nelson is a real true blood. He likes gays, farmers, city folk, anyone who is not a blind idiot to the whims of corporatists and rednecks. He is not a freaking Bible Thumper.
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Post by Mech on May 10, 2008 19:27:08 GMT -5
If Rednecks want to bash hard working city folk, then they should be prepared to get it back. For you to imply that Rural people are the only hard working ones is ridiculous. My dad, Mom, Aunts, Uncles, and other family members were hard working middle class city folk. It is these Rural Dittoheads that would go along with Union busting, Gay bashing, or any other command their Corporate masters tell them to. I never had a problem with gays, but just having long hair or a New York accent is enough to let some of these dumb shits to start trouble. Have you ever been in a situation like that? I have. I think you are grasping at a reason to hate gays because your Alex tells you to. Now a guy like Willie Nelson is a real true blood. He likes gays, farmers, city folk, anyone who is not a blind idiot to the whims of corporatists and rednecks. He is not a freaking Bible Thumper. See...I live deep in the woods...yet i'm in New York City AND Boston as well as other places around the country to work on water filtration systems all the time.....I don't have a problem with either culture city or rural....although I prefer to live in the woods..as it feels right FOR ME. I don't hate anyone. I have my likes and dislikes like everyone else. i don't agree with Alex's christian patriot mumbo jumbo....but i can see how it pushes the buttons of certain dye in the wool religious peoplee...and i think that is what Alex needs to do in order to educate certain people...otherwise they WON'T listen. Just like I don't like RADICAL....Christians, Gays, feminists, conservatives, environmentalists,...or radical of any stripe that sees things too black an white and are inflexible. |
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Post by Swamp Gas on May 10, 2008 19:35:20 GMT -5
But you see Mech, sometimes things have to be RADICAL to invoke change. The 60s was a radical time, and you would not be typing on a GUI-based Mac G5, if not for radical thinkers. Blacks would still be at the back of the bus, gays hiding away from the public, woman pregnant in the kitchen, and music would be boring.
One would consider you to be radical because of your views on 9/11 and the police State. I don't, I see it as logical. I know you are a good person, as is Alex, and believe it or not, I think Al Gore is essentially a good person. Anyone who says his favorite album of all time is Sgt Peppers, is a non-linear thinker. That is the dynamics of neuronautics.
Perhaps logic itself is radical to the linear, Bizarro World thinker. I think Spock said that once in a Star Trek episode.
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Post by KNOWTHIS on May 10, 2008 20:25:59 GMT -5
Now you are lumping Alex jones in with radical christians. Whatever. I don't buy it. Of course you don't. Alex Jones seems to represent sheer perfection in your eyes. He can do or say no wrong. I'm not sure that I've ever heard you question him on anything in all the years that I've been reading your posts. If you have, it's certainly a rarity. Is he really that incapable of making a mistake or being wrong about something or are you just totally mesmerized by the guy and to the point of being completely unable to recognize any of his flaws? Besides, he is the one who calls himself a Christian, not me. I'm simply quoting his own words here. It's not my fault that his sentiments directly mirror that of other radical Christians. He promotes outright falsehoods about the gay community and that's a standard radical Christian move. There are radical GAYS out there who seek to push homosexuality in public schools on kids under 12 so....I suppose its up to you who's side you want to be on. What do you mean by pushing homosexuality exactly? Could it be that perhaps for the sake of humanity they're pushing for schools to teach tolerance as opposed to the vile bigotry that most Bible hounds wish to impose in the class room? Could it be that their actions are only a natural human reaction to the systemic discrimination that they face everyday much like how blacks and women had to rise up and fight for their rights and equality? Is fighting for the most basic of freedoms now considered "pushing an agenda"? When people are abused or repressed they tend to fight back. Why wouldn't they? Christians then become terrified that one day gay people might actually be treated like equal human beings and not hopeless sinners. They know that their precious God would never want that for his own creations. Also.......If you want to go so WAYYYYYYYY off topic....so be it. What about you? I had asked you a simple question about Alex Jones and his family’s business relationships and you then launched in to an unrelated spiel about Air America. Alex Jone has to toe the line to get listeners to some degree. If he flat out sayed that he didn't believe in "Christ" he'd lose a HUGE core demographic...the very people that "progressives" bitch and moan about not ever seeing the big picture. In other words...lets see YOU try waking up "the okies" from watching their football games and armchair, beerdrinking, bible believing lifestyles. I'll bet YOU wouldn't get many converts. If it weren't for Alex...im sure many of those "Conservative Christians" would still be "Dittoheads". Alex Jones often says that he doesn’t pander to anyone. He says what he believes and he doesn’t care if anyone else is offended by it. Once again his own words. Buy adhering so strongly to the Christ illusion he alienates a huge demographic of progressive listeners. He has obviously made a conscious decision to align himself with those that lean right politically. He has every right to do that. I just wish that he (and you) would admit it. Your own statements demonstrate to me that he has specifically chosen the Christian conservative base as his target demographic. If he really cared about reaching the largest number of people he could simply remain neutral about the subject of religion. No one is asking him to say that Christ doesn’t exist. Why mention it at all? The problem is that he can’t resist the temptation of Bible preaching and casting judgment upon all non-believers. That to me is a tell-tale trait of a radical fundamentalist. I could tune in to Pat Roberston if I wanted a Bible lecture. Know-This.....from what ive read through many of your post over the years here...you have a HUGE thing about Christians and bash them at every opportunity you get. Doesn't offend me....but thats just an observation. Historically can you think of anything else that has been responsible for producing more senseless fear, war, death, persecution, ignorance and hate than religion? The "death cult" reference to gays is refering to a small group of gay men called "BUG CHASERS" who actually (proven) seek out to get HIV and worship the virus. To me...thats SICK...but whatever. Some people call that "normal" behavior". I don't. I remember the context of the comment. For one, the "bug chaser" story appears to be urban legend. The term was originally coined in some Rollingstone article, which relied solely upon unverifiable anecdotes as evidence. It may or may not be true. Because there’s no true mainstream evidence of it we can only logically assume that it’s extremely rare. You even said it was a small group though I’m not sure where your numbers were derived from? Anyway, Alex Jones decided to exaggerate this already over embellished story and claimed that a large majority of gay people want to be infected by HIV/AIDS and spread it to others. That's a total bullshit lie and I wonder how many of his brain dead, beer drinking, football watching, Bible chewing, redneck ass wipe listeners will go out and beat an innocent gay person to death because of it? He makes such irresponsible, hate provoking statements and based on no conclusive evidence whatsoever. It pisses me off! www.thebody.com/redirect/updates/web060412e.html?m145oHIV 'bug chasers': Fantasy or fact? |
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Post by Swamp Gas on May 10, 2008 21:17:09 GMT -5
Since we are on the subject of "radical" thought, here is some unadulterated, unfiltered thoughts that are on the back burner of homo-haters, but they do not want to come right out and say it. It is like the Southern racists in the 50s. They would always say, "Oh no, racism is somewhere else". Please listen through the whole thing: www.youtube.com/watch?v=GC7qZ6iywMY&feature=related |
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Post by Mech on May 10, 2008 22:39:42 GMT -5
Since we are on the subject of "radical" thought, here is some unadulterated, unfiltered thoughts that are on the back burner of homo-haters, but they do not want to come right out and say it. It is like the Southern racists in the 50s. They would always say, "Oh no, racism is somewhere else". Please listen through the whole thing: www.youtube.com/watch?v=GC7qZ6iywMY&feature=relatedThe behavior on both sides was nauseating to sit through for one thing. So now you are saying I am with these idiots who protest at soldiers funerals?....bullshit Swamp. Total Bullshit. |
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Post by Swamp Gas on May 10, 2008 22:59:11 GMT -5
Both sides? You ARE a homo-hater. The woman was supporting gays, and you say that is nauseating.
I think you are losing your bearings, and what it takes to be a human. Where does your hatred of gays stop and the crazed woman on the right's hatred begin.
Seriously, you want to play some crazed game on this site? you want the visitors to come here and say, "This is some Right Wing Homophobe site".
Sorry, I won't let that happen. Thetaloops doesn't even want to post answers to you because she is disgusted with your Right Wing behavior, that is becoming more and more backwards by the post. Is that your goal? What are you trying to prove?
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Post by Mech on May 10, 2008 23:03:11 GMT -5
Its garbage that these people go to soldiers funerals and talk shit...saying he died "because of fags". Thats wrong.
What I am saying is the conversation itself was shrill and hard to listen to. I don't care for FOX too much.
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Post by Swamp Gas on May 10, 2008 23:08:03 GMT -5
OK, but sometimes one side is correct in an argument.
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Post by Mech on May 10, 2008 23:09:48 GMT -5
You want to kick me out of your forum....just go for it.
Im the minority here....after i'm gone everyone can agree with each other.
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Post by Swamp Gas on May 10, 2008 23:23:00 GMT -5
Like I said, you can do what you want. But, seriously, what is your problem with people that don't think lockstep on Alex Jones? You are behaving like the time I said to a Born Again that there is more truth in one peyote button than in the whole Bible. This Al Gore BS is beyond absurd. There were thousands of climatologists that said Global Warming was real and caused mainly by human intervention years before Al Gore. From 1958 www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lgzz-L7GFgSince you possibly can't attack over 50,000 real scientists personally, you go after the one who speaks about it now. That is attacking the messenger. Do I 100% trust Air America or Al Gore? No. Do I 100% trust Alex Jones? No. I don't even 100% mistrust Henry Makow, as much as think is a bonified crackpot. Even crazy people have glimmers of truth. So far, every so-called skeptic argument you have posted, I have traced back to that crackpot S Fred Singer, the one who was/is funded by Exxon Mobil, RJ Reynolds, Monsanto, and the Heritage Foundation to spread corporate propaganda. This is so simple to comprehend. Energy companies LOSE MONEY if they have to regulate, or they start gearing up for electric, solar, wing, hydrogen power. Oh you know, the ones who think Global Warming was not real and humans can't do anything to alter it, Pollution is not that bad, tobacco is not harmful, GMO foods are good for you, feminists/The Beatles are a CIA plot. I would normally get a good laugh at this, but the Zionist/Corporate media gives these phonies air time, and has intelligent people like you convinced of their nonsense. |
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Post by KNOWTHIS on May 11, 2008 18:54:38 GMT -5
That statement doesn't appear to be directed at me but anyway, just for the record, I don't think that you should be banned. I didn't see where Swamp had threatened to ban you either. I'm not sure where you got that idea from? Either way it's not my choice but that's just my opinion.
I don't mind hearing opposing viewpoints which I disagree with. I'm not the type of person who will criticize something without having seen it or read about it first like so many who dismiss 9/11 truth without first doing any research. I listen to Air America, Bill O'reilly, Glenn Beck, Alex Jones or whoever. Sometimes listening to contrary thought helps me to reinforce my own beliefs or at times even challenge them.
Freedom of speech is not about only protecting the speech that you agree with. Hitler could do that. It’s more about protecting the speech that you disagree with. That’s what gives me the right to then question it. I support your right to say what you say and you should expect me to express my views honestly in return. Not just when I happen to agree with you.
Ed Shultz is one of the biggest liberal radio hosts going right now ratings wise and I despise him. I send him e-mails and post negatively about him all of the time. It’s not as if I only trust one side as you've suggested.
Now back to the previous discussion. Even if the bug chaser story is true, what exactly does that prove anyway? Homosexuals are human beings just like anyone else (though some would argue that point too) and sure there’s going to be a few bad apples in the bunch. It’s a known fact that most serial killers are white heterosexual males? Would Alex Jones extrapolate that figure that and characterize the entire Caucasian race as a “depraved death cult”? Of course not because he’s straight and white himself and it doesn’t fulfill his political and personal agenda. It’s always so much easier to attack that “other group”. It's not so easy to admit fault within oneself. It’s one example of our primitive tribal mentality which has had an adverse impact on our society. The fact that Jones is so obsessed with this “bug chaser” story tells me a lot about his true feelings towards gay people and it’s not healthy, or even fair for that matter.
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Post by Swamp Gas on May 11, 2008 19:15:14 GMT -5
I agree about Ed Schultz. When they replaced him with Thom Hartman at 12 - 3 slot, I was disappointed. Schultz thinbks 9/11 truthers are nuts, and he is always with this "Rural people are Real People" crap, and bragging about shooting innocent animals. He wouldn't even defend Randi Rhodes or Mike Malloy.
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Post by KNOWTHIS on May 11, 2008 21:14:59 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure that I wrote about him at this forum a few times but I haven't been able to get the search feature to work lately. Even before 9/11 truth he pissed me off about election fraud via voting machines. He refused to discuss it calling it a baseless conspiracy and even dismissed RFK Jr.'s article.
I kept warning him in e-mails that he's going to end up looking like a jerk when he's later forced to reverse himself when the story finally breaks. Sure enough after facing a backlash from his listeners apparently he slowly changed his mind without ever even acknowledging that he had been wrong from the start. Then I saw him on CNN (I believe it was?) having the nerve to criticize someone else for not covering the topic enough. He was acting all high and mighty as if he had personally broke the story even though he had resisted it every step of the way. He's such a loser and all he ever talks about are his ratings like Bill O'reilly does.
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