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Post by altitudelou on Nov 13, 2006 16:55:06 GMT -5
Wayne must be taking a medication break !
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Post by halva on Nov 13, 2006 17:11:31 GMT -5
I've got some translation work to do. In any case you didn't respond to my last posting, because you know quite well that it is you and Socrates who feel the need to talk about Reynolds at this forum.
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Post by socrates on Nov 13, 2006 17:16:05 GMT -5
Here's a repost of my aerosol report documenting Aug. 30th chemtrails, not contrails... My friends took these photos the other day. Taken in southern MA on 8/30.... hey, I'm quoting myself, but unlike with the fakes, this isn't an accident. Just setting the record straight. I think the photos stopped being visible because there is only so much room for photos, and the friend cleared them to make room for others, probably for pictures of cats or something. Geez, a lot is going on with this thread in real time. It is going to take me a while to catch up.
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Post by socrates on Nov 13, 2006 17:25:22 GMT -5
I took a closer look at what Reynolds cross-posted from me. Funny how he left out the best part that made him look like the chump he is. Yet, that is something he is a pro troll at, distorting other peoples' writings. Well, here is that good stuff again for that lurker who likes to cut and paste things out of context. I guess he never learned that if you're gonna cut and paste, at least show some decency and include the (...) when appropriate. ...Maybe this is why cretins like Reynolds have nothing left to say and can only try to obfuscate by calling Chem11 his buddy. Reynolds is the one who has been put to shame by science. He is the one who must come to terms with his chemtrail debunking hoax having hurt the environment. Reynolds is another fat pig like Rush Limbaugh, just another waterboy for greedy factions. Global Dimming has exposed him for the fool he is. If he is not a fool, then he must be a disinfo peddler. Either way he is a chump who has been finally debunked by hard science. ;D
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Post by altitudelou on Nov 13, 2006 17:26:26 GMT -5
Wayne/Halva wrote,
"I've got some translation work to do. In any case you didn't respond to my last posting, because you know quite well that it is you and Socrates who feel the need to talk about Reynolds at this forum." _____________________________________________
"Your last posting?" WTF ?
If you have work to do Wayne why are you flapping your lips here?
If we want to talk about something that Reynolds has said or the fact that he is a little creepy guy, we will, you don't get to tell us what we can or can not do, as I said, if you don't like Reynolds giving you crap at DBS then go someplace else but don't be a proxy for the A-Hole by bringing his BS here, are you that soft?
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Post by altitudelou on Nov 13, 2006 17:36:41 GMT -5
Wayne, did you post this,....."Socrates, checking this out: www.debatebothsides.com/showpost.php?p=684603&postcount=7841Do you think that confining references to Reynolds to the Discussion Lounge would make this kind of thing less likely? Or aren't you bothered by it?" ____________________________________ Tell me you did not bring this Reynolds crap here uninvited, I for one don't give a rats ass what John Boyd is saying at DBS, what does matter to me is what people here are saying, so again I ask you, why are you being Reynolds proxy to Gastro because it's obvious that you are !
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Post by socrates on Nov 13, 2006 17:49:39 GMT -5
Yikes, now I am gonna try to read the last couple pages here and am not looking forward to it. I have learned over the years as have many others that it is best not to respond too quickly to antagonism on message boards. I will read and try to make a brief comment. I hope that this thread doesn't get moved to the discussion lounge. Sometimes it feels like that is one of Halva's objectives. There have been plenty of threads at Gastro on chemtrail forum characters, not just Jay Reynolds. Lou already explained much earlier that WE aren't talking about any of his ideas. We utilize his bad name to symbolize all such paid trolls and useful idiots. So Hitler was a monster. There are neo-nazis who love Hitler. Should we outlaw the use of Hitler's name, because in doing so we are provoking such fascists to spread their mayhem? There is no logic in banning the use of Reynolds' name. No one said no one has the right to ask for such a rule, but when it obviously been ignored for the strangeness it exudes, that Reynolds is so important to need to be discussed about in private, that we need to strategize about Reynolds, that is a funny one Yet why does this same situation keep reappearing? Are these attempts to get threads like this invisible, to further muck up visibility for people who read these forums? And to the dumbass who lurks here, he questioned why I selected the name Socrates. I tried to use this name at other places in the past, but it was already taken. Socrates was a great guy, someone willing to honestly debate, someone who was the pioneer behind speaking truth to power, and to anyone who thinks they can astroturf their nonsense of pollution, illegal wars, torturing, no habeus corpus, etc., to all those who want us to watch what we say and obey the flag and just be fat cat waterboys like Rush Oxycontin, I will speak on behalf of all out there who agree with peace and justice, and say...... F#Ck U I Won't Do What U Tell Me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by socrates on Nov 13, 2006 18:11:11 GMT -5
posted by Altitude Lou: "...It took me five minutes (see below) to find the truth, why people like Barnes and Reynolds can not is obvious, they have an agenda to obfuscate and abuse the truth to mislead..."
This is why I think fifth columnists and fake believers are more dangerous than insignificant trolls like Reynolds. In fact I think Reynolds is good for chemtrail awareness, because since he like Smell are so obviously deranged in their thinking, they help masses of people to see the skies more clearly.
The problem is with fifth columnists like BC. If one looks at BC and this Barnes dude, they will see the same type of psy-op going on, that it is ok to think the skies look mucked up, yes there are "chemtrails", but then quicker than one could say Huffington or Hitchens or Oxycontin's waterboy spiel, whoosh, chemtrails are a hoax, Reynolds is correct.
That is a psy-op to get those interested in this topic to say phew, there isn't any covert activity going on above us, that's just because of the new equipment, because of the jet fuel, because of the dumping of fuel or airplane human waste. That's just outright Rovian astroturfing. It's outright bullshit.
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Post by altitudelou on Nov 13, 2006 18:40:07 GMT -5
Yes Socrates, I agree and those who propagate the message of these misleaders of the truth by proxy are just as guilty as the liars that they willingly support.
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Post by halva on Nov 13, 2006 18:51:25 GMT -5
Wayne, did you post this,....."Socrates, checking this out: www.debatebothsides.com/showpost.php?p=684603&postcount=7841Do you think that confining references to Reynolds to the Discussion Lounge would make this kind of thing less likely? Or aren't you bothered by it?" ____________________________________ Tell me you did not bring this Reynolds crap here uninvited, I for one don't give a rats ass what John Boyd is saying at DBS, what does matter to me is what people here are saying, so again I ask you, why are you being Reynolds proxy to Gastro because it's obvious that you are ! I will consider ANY joint strategy in relation to Reynolds that you care to propose. My objective is to defeat him, and if you think you can help me do that better, propose a strategy that you, Socrates and I and anyone else who wants, should follow, and i will stick to it, on the basis of reciprocity. The same rules for all of us. That does not include my ignoring him, because I know I cannot defeat him by ignoring him.
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Post by altitudelou on Nov 13, 2006 19:14:01 GMT -5
Wayne, consider this.
There is no "STRATEGY" that I am aware of as you say to "defeat Reynolds" unless it's within your own head Wayne.
It seems to me that you Wayne Hall, like Reynolds enjoys creating an air of controversy within a relatively calm atmosphere, did anyone here at Gastro ask you to inject a Reynolds post at DBS here, obviously not, so why then do you continue to do this after harping for so long for us to ignore Reynolds and what is posted at DBS?
I for one do ignore the rantings of Reynolds at DBS but that does not mean that I am not going to talk about him or his MO here in these threads at Gastro, we can not say on one hand that we demand free speech and expect it while on the other hand have our post censored or reduced to a private unseen thread where passwords and logon names are required because one person does not like the content of our discussion.
If this is going to be the SOP here at Gastro then I will find another site to post at and the troublemaker, you, Wayne Hall can continue your Reynolds by proxy bullshit here as you pleases, I'm all done dealing with you, your a hypocrite of the worst kind !
Good luck with your defeating Reynolds fantasy.
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Post by socrates on Nov 13, 2006 19:20:37 GMT -5
I agree Lou. Take a guy like Tony Snowjob. He might not be breaking any laws personally such as with bombing innocent Iraqis or wiretapping Olbermann's phone, but anyone supporting the fascism is part and parcel of the criminals going #2 on The Constitution.
Limbaugh, Hannity, MannCoulter, Oh'Really-- these people should watch a Tucker Carlson to see how it's done. I personally don't like that snot-nosed bow tie wearing pontificator, but he let's the other view on and doesn't try to steamroll over them.
I don't have a problem with people who don't agree completely with progressive views. But they better not be coming out with their fake misdirections and excuses, the obfuscating, the omissions of what's true and important. Olbermann might not be a genius, but he is very sincere and tries his best to bring awareness to information that shouldn't be hidden.
So, yes, I agree with you. Those who prop up liars, war criminals and other assorted variety of swine are just as guilty.
As I posted before, I am not responding directly with Halva.
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Post by socrates on Nov 13, 2006 19:37:54 GMT -5
Posted by altitudelou:
"Wayne, consider this.
There is no "STRATEGY" that I am aware of as you say to "defeat Reynolds" unless it's within your own head Wayne."
Yes, there is no foe there to have to strategize about. Some people think he is more important than he really is. Again, he is a symbol for all of wingnutia. He is harmless like a gnat. He must be foaming at the mouth over the election results and with his buddy Rush stabbing him and the others from troll central in the back, calling them waterboys for failed policies.
"It seems to me that you Wayne Hall, like Reynolds enjoys creating an air of controversy within a relatively calm atmosphere, did anyone here at Gastro ask you to inject a Reynolds post at DBS here, obviously not, so why then do you continue to do this after harping for so long for us to ignore Reynolds and what is posted at DBS?
I for one do ignore the rantings of Reynolds at DBS but that does not mean that I am not going to talk about him or his MO here in these threads at Gastro, we can not say on one hand that we demand free speech and expect it while on the other hand have our post censored or reduced to a private unseen thread where passwords and logon names are required because one person does not like the content of our discussion."
well said. I agree. I appreciate your handling of this situation. He's been writing this same stuff over and over again, and he keeps getting the same responses. So many different people have now explained to Halva that he gives Reynolds far too much credit. Yet, what will get him to stop trying to censor the discussion? He always comes back with how we are making his heroic work at DBS more difficult. Maybe he should quit that place and just post on chemtrails. If there is a thread on this kind of crap and one isn't interested, then ignore it. There's no law that says we have to respond to every thread and topic everywhere.
"If this is going to be the SOP here at Gastro then I will find another site to post at and the troublemaker, you, Wayne Hall can continue your Reynolds by proxy bullshit here as you pleases, I'm all done dealing with you, your a hypocrite of the worst kind !
Good luck with your defeating Reynolds fantasy."
I can empathize with your frustrations Lou and will similarly try to find a way to ignore this. You nailed it. Halva is lost in some fantasy land battle, it is a dungeons and dragons game for him. It is getting stale. It'd be nice if he would stop doing this every time someone mentions his "rival" for control of the universe.
I know both of us pale in comparison to their importance in this epic battle. May both of their kingships forgive us mere mortals for thinking we are chemtrail players like them. ;D
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Post by altitudelou on Nov 13, 2006 20:34:22 GMT -5
Socrates, Ha,..... that's a great way of looking at it, I 'm so sick of the Halva / Reynolds show that I could puke, they play off each other like the two stooges and when that doesn't get our attention Wayne comes over here trying to force the show down our throats, with those two clowns it's all smoke and mirrors, no substance, no balls to step up to the plate and really address the real issue which is the Chemtrail's / Spraying. Hey Wayne, Here is a quote from you pal Reynolds, more pure bullshit, and Wayne, remember who started today with the Reynolds bullshit, .........YOU DID ! Quote: Reynolds. "The hoax originally began by use of the word contrails to describe line seen in the sky. Eventually, my buddy Chem11 coined the term "chemtrails" as a propaganda tool because he believed that he could change perceptioins only after the meaning of the word were changed." "You can't simply switch around meanings of words in this willy-nilly manner without demonstrating to perceptive people your deceptive intent. You reveal yourself far too easily, and once again fail." _________________________________________________ "You can't simply switch around meanings of words in this willy-nilly manner without demonstrating to perceptive people your deceptive intent. You reveal yourself far too easily, and once again fail." Ha, this out of the mouth of a nit-wit that does exactly this all of the time_and he thinks people don't see through his BS_WRONG ! This lying dirtbag Reynolds can't even get the origin of the term "Chemtrail''s" right because he will not admit that it was not a so called "Chemmie", Chem 11 or Will Thomas that coined the term "Chemtrail's" but the United States Air Force back in 1990, see,.... www.holmestead.ca/chemtrails/spring-05.html _ Scroll down to view the truth of just where the term "Chemtrail's" originated, as usual Reynolds is selling as much manure as he can shovel from his onion farm in Arkansas, maybe he should put some of that rich stuff on his onions, with that kind of fertilizer they would grow to gigantic proportions no doubt. It's real obvious that Blow Hole Reynolds wants to label people as "Chemmies" so he can ridicule them for believing the spraying that they are seeing going on in our sky's, so he has to invent the fact that it was they that coined the term so it fits in with his debunking agenda, the sick demented Narcissistic creep just makes it up as he goes along, that's obvious to anyone who read the BS that he writes.
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Post by altitudelou on Nov 13, 2006 21:02:42 GMT -5
Yes Socrates,
Yes, Halva / Reynolds really do seem to think that they are above our lowly station in life, I can understand the Narcissistic Personality Disorder stricken Reynolds doing this but why Wayne has taken this turn is a mystery, maybe it was the public beating and embarrassment that he took at Megasprayer that warped him, unless it was for the reasons that I discussed with you in private, something has turned him into a troublemaker big time, the only thing is, he will take another public beating and face more embarrassment if he continues with this present tact that he is on, I doubt if Swampgas will put up with his crap for much longer the way he's going.
Maybe he got the point today and he will smarten up and stop trying to instigate more controversy that causes division and bad feelings among people who should be on the same side, maybe today was the slap up side of his Greek head that he needed to snap him out of this rude, bad behavior.
Do you think Wayne will find Reynolds anymore tame at DBS after his visit here today, I think he wants to instigate Reynolds by instigating us here at Gastro into really bad mouthing Reynolds, that really does seem to be his goal in coming here, note he would not comment on my question as to why he was being Reynolds proxy here, to close to the truth I guess.
Anyway, I'm back out for today, I've spent way to much time on this BS, catch you later Soc.
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Post by halva on Nov 13, 2006 23:18:41 GMT -5
The discussion here has got to precisely the point it was at CTC when I was part of the moderating effort there.
The "chemtrails" battle CANNOT be won until characters like Reynolds are afraid or ashamed to open their mouths.
If you, who share a country with him, cannot silence him, then others who do not, have to do it without your assistance.
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Post by halva on Nov 13, 2006 23:31:25 GMT -5
The moderator of a forum (such as Chem or Swampgas here) who bans a certain type of discourse from his forum is liberating an area of cyberspace for us. The same has to be done outside cyberspace also. Just keep extending the liberated areas.
Chem made a mistake in "liberating" his forum of me too but he has at least freed his own household of the worst problem.
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Post by BigBunny on Nov 14, 2006 7:47:53 GMT -5
I reiterate: How much longer?
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Post by altitudelou on Nov 14, 2006 10:43:11 GMT -5
Wayne,
Why are injecting your own personal conflict with Reynolds at DBS into this forum, has Reynolds been giving you a bath at DBS, is that why you have brought your problems at DBS here, trying to get everyone fired up about Reynolds, your now telling us that we should pay attention to what Reynolds is up to after months of telling us to do just the opposite and ignore him, what the Hell kind of a lunatic are you anyway, you need to stop and think about just what it is that your doing, I am personally at the point of not only ignoring Reynolds but you as well because of your recent bizarre behavior starting over at Megasprayer where you were banned for good reason, the reason being exactly the same kind of crap that your now pulling here at Gastro in working everyone up into a frenzy to satisfy your own agenda at DBS concerning Reynolds.
It is obvious that you don't appear to be able to defend yourself against Reynolds so your now stirring things up here trying to drum up support to use in your fight with Reynolds at DBS, your little scheme isn't working as everyone can see right through it, no one likes being used Wayne, so you better stop right now and back off, go back to DBS and play with Reynolds, I don't think anyone here is interested in your self-serving, instigating mind games.
Now, if you will excuse me I'll get back to discussing " When is a contrail more than a contrail?", something just a little more important than your personal plight at DBS with Lord Reynolds.
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Post by swedishoo on Nov 14, 2006 16:53:09 GMT -5
[glow=red,2,300]How do you ban someone outside cyberspace?[/glow]
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Post by socrates on Nov 14, 2006 22:04:15 GMT -5
King Reynolds has been fighting for the side of evil since the very beginning of the Greco-Anglo Brouhaha. Now the Lord of Halvanites is trying his best to conquer the Chief Troll of the Aluminites, now better known as the Sir Reynolds Wrap. Here is a CTC thread from 2004. Swampgas even adds in a few nuggets of wisdom. Quote from a CTC chemtrailer talker: ...jay reynolds was a factor in the pre chemtrails "debate" in 1997 he wrote a treatise entitled "Those mysterious lines in the sky" well before we realized those lines were there in 1999 the first web pages with message boards were up... jay was one of its first "customers"... Jay Reynolds attacks Halva
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Post by socrates on Nov 14, 2006 22:19:47 GMT -5
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Post by altitudelou on Nov 14, 2006 23:02:26 GMT -5
Getting away from the Reynolds Sh:t storm that Wayne Hall / Halva created and back to the important issue "Chemtrail's / Global Spraying, I was over at CTC a while ago and saw some photos posted by "CTwatcher", very interesting_check it out.
A poster at CTC who goes by the name of "CTwatcher" has posted some photos of some pretty heavy spraying at,....http://www.flickr.com/photos/40183401@N00/?saved=1.
One of CTwatcher's photos is almost identical to the photo that I took of KC-10A Extender that was spraying directly over parsonsfield, Maine on 9/7/01.
My photo of the KC-10A Extender spraying,....http://s122.photobucket.com/albums/o245/Lou_A/?action=view¤t=October2820062.jpg&refPage=&imgAnch=imgAnch6
Now compare Ctwatcher's photo of a large jet spraying,...http://www.flickr.com/photos/40183401@N00/289655787/
It's obvious that the so called "normal contrail's" of both of these aircraft are not being produced by their engines but instead are being vented behind each aircraft from the tips of the lower ailerons left and right of the tail section and there is no doubt that these aircraft are spraying Chemtrail's.
When is a contrail more than a contrail, how about when you can actually see that they are spraying fine material's across the sky and not making a "normal contrail's".
I enlarged CTwatchers photo and it becomes so obvious the aircraft is spraying that a blind man could see it, if you have the program, crop, cut and enlarge the aircraft and you to will see the truth.
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"Near the day of the Great Purification, there will be cobwebs spun back and forth in the sky." ................................................... Hopi prophecy.
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Post by altitudelou on Nov 14, 2006 23:08:26 GMT -5
Hey Swampgas,
Lately when I try to put a link in with my post the link(s) don't upload, what's up with that?
URL warp ?
It's really frustrating not to have the links go in.
Thanks,........Lou.
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Post by socrates on Nov 14, 2006 23:22:56 GMT -5
bracket url=http://...... bracket title bracket /url bracket
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Post by socrates on Nov 14, 2006 23:23:43 GMT -5
Hey Lou, I hope you didn't miss the Russ Feingold letter above. It looks very intriguing.
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Post by halva on Nov 14, 2006 23:53:55 GMT -5
[glow=red,2,300]How do you ban someone outside cyberspace?[/glow] Thank you, Swedishoo, for enabling us to move the discussion forward from the point at which it stopped at CTC some years ago. We can continue at another thread if this is more appropriate. Reynolds could be got into prison if there were a law against questioning the anthropogenic element in climate change. A number of reputedly civilized Western European countries have banned questioning of the Jewish Holocaust. If it is possible for "liberal democracies" to do this it is possible for them to ban questioning of the human element in climate change. If David Irving can sit in prison for representing it as uncertain that there were gas chambers at Auschwitz, Reynolds and others like him can be got into prison for representing it as uncertain that the behaviour of human beings exercises a decisive influence on the state of the planet's environment.
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Post by BigBunny on Nov 15, 2006 8:18:40 GMT -5
Lou, I am sincerely not trying to start a fight over these aircraft photos but I do have certain observations. The photo in the CTwatcher collection of the aircraft "spraying" does demonstrate under magnification that the exhaust emission does start at the appropriate point directly behind the engines. However there is no indication from the aircraft as to why the contrail seems to 'explode' adjacent the tailplane. Further there is a curious faint line between contrails which seems to be coming from the tailplane itself. I've seen this phenomena before when the air is particularly cold and an aircraft of particular design traverses at speed.
The aircraft is clearly twin engined and seems to be a Boeing model. Apart from that there are no distinguishing features and the particular shot is of the top of the aircraft, not the bottom. I think we can agree on two points however - these being that firstly it is a shot of one of those infamous white aircraft and secondly that the crap being emitted is more likely than not to be causing a CT as opposed to a normal contrail.
The observations I made in regard to the first aircraft do not seem to apply in regard to your photo. In other words your observations in regard to dedicated spraying are justified.
However the spraying of which you speak doesn't seem to be consistent and it does involve normal commercial traffic - at least in my part of the world.
A further observation I will make is in regard to the application of the so-called "gravity waves" as they apply to CTs. During my daily constitutional today I observed cloud formation CT-style over my suburb. The CT was spreading in the usual way when suddenly "gravity wave" signatures appeared in the CT. The effect of these waves was to accelerate cloud formation so that within 30 minutes the CT had disappeared and a apparently normal cloud was in its place. Before anyone jumps to the conclusion that HAARP was involved the signatures appear to be from a local source reasonably close to where I live. The peculiar point about this was that the debunkers would have called the CT a persistent contrail but for the appearance of these "gravity wave" signatures. There is one question I am unable to answer however - where does the energy generated in this activity eventually end up?
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Post by kola on Nov 15, 2006 11:44:19 GMT -5
Hi
Could someone give a me a brief summary of who this Jay Reynolds character is?
Kola
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Post by altitudelou on Nov 15, 2006 12:14:21 GMT -5
Big Bunny wrote, "Lou, I am sincerely not trying to start a fight over these aircraft photos but I do have certain observations. The photo in the CTwatcher collection of the aircraft "spraying" does demonstrate under magnification that the exhaust emission does start at the appropriate point directly behind the engines. However there is no indication from the aircraft as to why the contrail seems to 'explode' adjacent the tailplane. Further there is a curious faint line between contrails which seems to be coming from the tailplane itself. I've seen this phenomena before when the air is particularly cold and an aircraft of particular design traverses at speed. The aircraft is clearly twin engined and seems to be a Boeing model. Apart from that there are no distinguishing features and the particular shot is of the top of the aircraft, not the bottom. I think we can agree on two points however - these being that firstly it is a shot of one of those infamous white aircraft and secondly that the crap being emitted is more likely than not to be causing a CT as opposed to a normal contrail. The observations I made in regard to the first aircraft do not seem to apply in regard to your photo. In other words your observations in regard to dedicated spraying are justified. However the spraying of which you speak doesn't seem to be consistent and it does involve normal commercial traffic - at least in my part of the world. A further observation I will make is in regard to the application of the so-called "gravity waves" as they apply to CTs. During my daily constitutional today I observed cloud formation CT-style over my suburb. The CT was spreading in the usual way when suddenly "gravity wave" signatures appeared in the CT. The effect of these waves was to accelerate cloud formation so that within 30 minutes the CT had disappeared and a apparently normal cloud was in its place. Before anyone jumps to the conclusion that HAARP was involved the signatures appear to be from a local source reasonably close to where I live. The peculiar point about this was that the debunkers would have called the CT a persistent contrail but for the appearance of these "gravity wave" signatures. There is one question I am unable to answer however - where does the energy generated in this activity eventually end up?" ___________________________________________________________________________________ Big Bunny, Hi mate, no problems here understanding your intent in this discussion of "when is a contrail more than a contrail" , your observations and comments are welcome by all I'm sure. I have to say though that I disagree that "CTwatchers" photo shows only a "normal" forming set of contrail's produced by the engines, I disagree because after observing hundreds, perhaps a thousand or more jets creating normal contrail's, they most often start well behind the aircraft, not exactly at the tips of the port and starboard lower ailerons of the tail section but a good distance behind the aircraft well back from the tail section. Certainly there are times when the atmospheric conditions are such that the normal contrail being produced are closer to the engine exhaust but the humidity has to be very high and the air temperature very low for this to occur, plus there is another factor in believing that this "CTwatcher" aircraft photo was spraying and that simply is due to the fact that it was one of many jets taking part in the heavy trail activity when the photo was taken. Moving on, it is impossible to identify this "CTwatcher" aircraft other than it being a wide body, twin engine jet, my thoughts as to just what type of aircraft it might be are along the lines of a 767 but without more clarity in the photo it's just a big white jet. The fact that it's all white is another indication that it was spraying since so many white jets have been observed laying vast areas of trail's in grid network fashion. With regard to my photo, I was able to identify the aircraft as a KC-10A Extender because there was adequate detail in the photo to work with, the air stabilizers under each of it's wings was a dead giveaway obviously a three engine aircraft like an MD-11 which is what a KC-10A basically is leaves more than two normal contrail's port and starboard, it usually leaves one very large blended contrail behind it from it's three engines. See,..http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/americas/9809/03/swissair.crash.06/link.md.11.jpg Most of the spraying activity that I have observed taking place here in the North East United States is being done by military type aircraft, the KC-135's, KC-10A's and I have seen something that could be a modified B-767 Cargo Conversion type aircraft spraying, I have not seen first hand any commercial type aircraft involved in spraying activity here but I believe people in various parts our country as well as other countries are seeing commercial jets being used for the spraying, there just are not enough military tanker type aircraft in existence to create all of the spraying that we are observing worldwide without the use of other types of aircraft being involved. I find it interesting that aircraft that are being photographed and having video taken of them while they are in the process of creating those so called persistent contrail's / spraying, often exhibit having the trail's start exactly at their tail section ailerons, in point see the video below. Here is a video link to "You Tube" from the UK. with commentary. "CHEMTRAILS or VAPOUR TRAILS?" Note that the trail's start right at the tips of the lower ailerons of the jet making them. www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sfrnT5DQHcI'll not get into the applied energy aspects with regard to the spraying right now as I have to run out this afternoon, obviously various forms of energy are involved with the spraying program that we see taking place, there is much evidence that points dating back some time that verifies this fact. Our Secretary of Defense William Cohen's, April 28, 1997 statement in that regard kind of let the cat out of the bag regarding the use of electromagnetic waves so why would they not use other forms of energy in conjunction with the spraying as well, UHF, VHF, etc... Quote: Secretary of Defense William Cohen's "Others [terrorists] are engaging even in an eco-type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves… So there are plenty of ingenious minds out there that are at work finding ways in which they can wreak terror upon other nations…It's real, and that's the reason why we have to intensify our [counterterrorism] efforts." _____________________________________________________________ I'll leave it here for now Big Bunny, I have to go out for the afternoon, chat with you later.
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