Jerry E Smith’s “Weather Warfare”

[halva]

From Jerry E Smith’s “Weather Warfare”

A choice extract:

“Conditions in Kansas in the early part of 1891 had initially been favourable, with rain falling in sufficient quantities to mature the early crops; but by the end of July the drought had set in and corn and other grains began to wither under a scorching sun and incessant hot winds. “The farmers in their helpless condition were ready to grasp at the last straw, which in this case happened to be the Rain Maker.”

The fame of a certain Frank Melbourne, said to be an Australian, as a “rain wizard” had been spreading throughout the country.

“Marvellous stories were told of his operations at Canton, Ohio, where he was said to so control the weather that he could ‘bring rain at a given hour’. Since he was fond of outdoor sports he ‘so adjusted his machine that all the Sunday rains come late in the afternoon, after the baseball games and horse races for the day are over.’ Mr. Melbourne said his machine was ‘so simple that were its character known to the public every man would soon own one and bring rain whenever he felt like it.’ The editor of the Hutchinson News thought there would be serious objections to this for ‘there could never be a political barbecue without all the rain machines of the opposition being set in motion’ and ‘the infidels would spoil all the camp-meetings and the church people ruin the horse races.’”

[socrates]

halva said:

From Jerry E Smith’s “Weather Warfare”

A choice extract:

“Conditions in Kansas in the early part of 1891 had initially been favourable, with rain falling in sufficient quantities to mature the early crops; but by the end of July the drought had set in and corn and other grains began to wither under a scorching sun and incessant hot winds. “The farmers in their helpless condition were ready to grasp at the last straw, which in this case happened to be the Rain Maker.”

The fame of a certain Frank Melbourne, said to be an Australian, as a “rain wizard” had been spreading throughout the country.

“Marvellous stories were told of his operations at Canton, Ohio, where he was said to so control the weather that he could ‘bring rain at a given hour’. Since he was fond of outdoor sports he ‘so adjusted his machine that all the Sunday rains come late in the afternoon, after the baseball games and horse races for the day are over.’ Mr. Melbourne said his machine was ‘so simple that were its character known to the public every man would soon own one and bring rain whenever he felt like it.’ The editor of the Hutchinson News thought there would be serious objections to this for ‘there could never be a political barbecue without all the rain machines of the opposition being set in motion’ and ‘the infidels would spoil all the camp-meetings and the church people ruin the horse races.’”

Where's the link?
What's the point of this?

Why not put things like this in "altered states" or "conspiracies/ coincidences"?

On and on it goes. We get no links and are left wondering wtf is this?

[halva]

"We"??

Didn't you say, Socrates, that there is no "we"?

This is just an amusing and easy-to-read titbit from Jerry E. Smith's new book, which I recommend "you" (plural) read.

[halva]

Here is some more:

"One proposed solution to the problem of global warming involves the seeding of the atmosphere with metallic particles. One technique proposed to seed the metallic particles was to add the tiny particles to the fuel of jetliners, so that the particles would be emitted from the jet engine exhaust while the airliner was at its cruising altitude. While this method would increase the reflection of visible light incident from space, the metallic particles would trap the long wavelength blackbody radiation released from the Earth. This could result in net increase in global warming.

Note that last sentences, as this could be critical.

In 1996, Scientists for Global Responsibility reached the same conclusion. This group is associated with the School of Environmental Sciences at the University of East Anglia in Norwich in the United Kingdom. They produced a paper titled: "Climate Engineering: A Critical Review of Proposals." Their report contended that dangerous geoengineering as proposed by Teller et al. would be absolutely ineffective in mitigating global warming for it would have the opposite effect! The report further noted that this climate engineering research was funded by industries with vested interests in the continued high consumption of fossil fuels.

Some of the scientists who have analyzed these chemtrail proposals say that adding aluminum oxide to jet fuel will create more abundant clouds, but because the clouds are below the greenhouse gas layer they will only succeed in creating more heat! Could it be that the fools are trying to "fix" global warming and are actually creating it instead of alleviating it? Or worse, could they be intentionally creating global warming as a pretext to launch their version of a global government whose avowed purpose to to fix global warming (that they are surreptitiously creating)?"

[Swamp Gas]

I'm not quite sure where Mr Smith is coming from. He says that the studies from the School of Environmental Sciences contends that Teller's proposal would be ineffective at reversing global warming. But, the original idea of Spraying by Teller is a "Sky Shield" against UV-B.

This is exactly what Socrates and I are saying. Global Warming reversal aspects are the current point of discussion in all parts of government and industry, and it will more easily be accepted that things are getting done to reverse that. The UV-B issue is much more serious and much more frightening. Perhaps Spraying is a three-fold operation........UV-B blocking, Global Warming, and Weather Control.

[halva]

The new idea that caught my attention in that extract was the idea of global warming being caused deliberately so as then being legitimated to find ways of "dealing with it". But once again, I am not trying to argue in favour of anything in particular. I am not using these extracts to document a viewpoint of my own.

This should suit you if you mean what you say about not wanting my posting to be too narrowly focused on arguing for my political preferences.

[socrates]

"The new idea that caught my attention in that extract was the idea of global warming being caused deliberately so as then being legitimated to find ways of "dealing with it"."

Not to toot my own horn, because I do believe that the truth is more important than any one of us posting, but I have mentioned this more than once as a possible explanation for the "problematic" that has taken you a long time to come to terms with. This is why we cannot rely on people who come across as know-it-alls. We can only do so when such individuals also exhibit humility and the abilty to address any questions seeking clarification. The focus has been on individuals for too long who have turned out to have been debunkers posing as chemmies. The "problematic" has been the psy-op in itself.

[halva]

I am sad that I won't be able to approach the people I was planning to approach about getting Jerry Smith's book translated into Greek. In general it is not only a worthy effort but it contains passages of incredible value, such as Jerry's analysis of weather modification legislation, its objectives and its deficiencies. He has chapters in his book that contain the fruits of hard research work that will be invaluable to those pursuing the approach to our subject for which Rosalind Peterson has become the most distinguished spokesperson.

Jerry is a writer who has come out of the commercial "conspiracy theory" publishing business and unfortunately, particularly in his chapter on HAARP, he has included material that he should have found a way not still to be using. After treating us to page after page of it he says, disarmingly: "Of course no one in the scientific community is willing to consider such silly 'New Age' questions. I considered putting them in HAARP (Jerry's book on the subject, published ten years ago) and then left them out as being just too far 'out there'. Maybe I should have left them out of this book too."

At the beginning of "Weather Warfare" I was thinking "This guy has written a book that puts Haderer in the shade" but by the end one is thinking that Haderer's lapse into ruminations about the Illuminati at the end of his own Chemtrails book is a very minor slip compared to some of the material Jerry has included.

Still, Jerry has shown that he "has what it takes". His writing on climate modification legislation makes him potentially one of the most important researchers that we have in our movement.

[halva]

More from Jerry:

"In 1976 U.S. government officials outlined 50 experimental projects and 20 actual pilot programs costing upwards of $100 million over the next eight years.

It was an explosive subject up [through] the 1970s but, after 1977 ENMOD (environmental modification) interest seemed to disappear alost overnight. In other words, after decades of intense research and development, after billions of dollars of investment, after major institutions and governmental bodies were created and charged with oversight of ENMOD and its many peripheral issues, and after the entire reorganization of the U.S. government to channel and guide and map out the future of this new and promising military and civilian "technology" - said to be more important than the atom bomb - everything stopped.

Or did it?

It was as if a huge curtain fell over the subject as all research, all institutional interests, huge salaries and thousands of jobs - vanished. And the mass media stopped reporting anything and everything as if struck by plague. That - sudden and total silence - is perhaps the most telling and suspicious indication of the secrecy and denial that the ENMOD arena was shackled with. Today it is almost as if it never happened.

Could it be that the US government said, "Oh gee, we can't do that any more" and just gave up on military ENMOD - or did the whole program go 'black'?

By the late 1970s weather control and environmental modification had become not only a scientific fact, but the subject of national and international law. Many researchers have commented that they would not have bothered to create a law prohibiting one nation from attacking another with earthquakes, tidal waves and devastating weather unless they actually had, or thought they would soon have, the technology to do it. It is my contention that all the ENMOD treaty did was force this line of research, and use, into hiding."

[altitudelou]

Halva / Wayne wrote,

"It was as if a huge curtain fell over the subject as all research"
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Well DUH !

A huge curtain did fall over the subject as well as all of the research, that curtain is called the National Security Act, that's what happens to anything that they don't want us to know about, it gets the National Security Act blanket thrown over it, doesn't matter if it's an energy saving method, device or some ongoing scientific research or project that they are conducting (See Chemtrail's) once it gets cover up by the National Security Act officially it does not exist. At least not by "We The People", who by their rule, law and opinions have no right to know such things.

FREE AND DEMOCRATIC COUNTRY MY ASS.

[halva]

It is because of this that in my view opposition should focus first on "civilian" issues, where the secrecy is most indefensible.

Jerry Smith seems to have decided to do this. He is doing great research into weather modification legislation. Supplementing the work of Rosalind Peterson. He is focusing on things we need to know. Have you read the book yet, Lou?

By the way, why did you say “DUH, FREE AND DEMOCRATIC COUNTRY MY ASS”? Have I been arguing that America is a free and democratic country?

[halva]

The Convention on the Prohibition of Military or any other hostile use of environmental modification techniques

Perhaps the United States' first steps in international weather accords were taken by the 90th Congress, which in 1968 passed Concurrent Resolution 67. That Resolution declared that the official policy of the United States was to co-operate with other nations in the weather modification field.


A formal agreement on weather modification information exchange was signed between the United States and Canada in March of 1975. That agreement was inked after emotional concern surfaced over a US proposal to engage in commercial cloud seeding in northern Washington State, near the Canadian border. In that agreement the USA and Canada promised to provide advance notification and consultation with respect to activities conducted within 200 miles of the international boundary, or whenever either party believed the effects of weather modification activities would be significant to the other party. Similarly, the United States initiated negotiations with Mexico in 1978 toward the possibility of a joint experimental program on hurricanes in the Eastern Pacific. Technical discussions with a number of other countries have taken place over the years since.

After the revelations of Operation Popeye (more on that later, W.H.) the die was cast. Senator Pell, with Representatives Gilbert Gude of Maryland and Donald Fraser, became the three leading legislative critics of American military research into weather and environmental modification. Together, they sent a letter to President Gerald Ford urging increased government support for the peaceful uses of such modification. They also urged that all such research and operations, military and non-military, be overseen by a civilian agency answerable to Congress and the President. Their recommendations were mostly ignored.

Another influential voice calling for limits on the military’s ability to wreck the environment was Lowell Ponte. He had worked as a DoD consultant on environmental and bizarre weapons for the International Research and Technology Corporation of Washington D.C. and, later, became editor of Skeptic Magazine. In his book The Cooling he described the Congressional hearing mounted by Pell, Fraser and Gude thusly: “What emerged was an awesome picture of far-ranging research and experimentation by the Department of Defense into ways environmental tampering could be used as a weapon.” Among the unthinkable things the military considered were investigations into whether lasers and chemicals could create an artificial hole in the ozone layer over an enemy, cuasing damage to crops and human health hrough exposure to the sun’s ultraviolent rays. This revelation led to that technology being explicitly banned by the ENMOD Convention.

[altitudelou]

Halva / Wayne wrote,

"It is because of this that in my view opposition should focus first on "civilian" issues, where the secrecy is most indefensible.

Jerry Smith seems to have decided to do this. He is doing great research into weather modification legislation. Supplementing the work of Rosalind Peterson. He is focusing on things we need to know. Have you read the book yet, Lou?

By the way, why did you say “DUH, FREE AND DEMOCRATIC COUNTRY MY ASS”? Have I been arguing that America is a free and democratic country?"
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Wayne,

I don't want to get into the "Jerry Smith" debate with you, I was just making a statement on that one line, "It was as if a huge curtain fell over the subject as all research", and that's all.

The "DUH" was obviously for anyone who doesn't get the fact that our government covers up a lot of stuff that's been done, being done in the name of National Security, it's very convenient to have that National Security Act to hide anything you don't want the public knowing about, Chemtrail's, what Chemtrail's?

The second and separate quote, "FREE AND DEMOCRATIC COUNTRY MY ASS”?", Well, that's pretty much self explanatory Wayne, you figure it out.

[halva]

The worst thing about it is other governments so meekly falling in line. One thing that Jerry points out in his book is how existing legislation could be used against what is happening at the moment if only some government would initiate legal action.

[altitudelou]

Halva / Wayne wrote,

"The worst thing about it is other governments so meekly falling in line. One thing that Jerry points out in his book is how existing legislation could be used against what is happening at the moment if only some government would initiate legal action."
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Well, those governments that are involved no doubt own scientist that agree with what's being done and the methods being used with regard to this worldwide aerosol spraying and they are not about to rock the boat, who knows what kind of bribery and or extortion was involved in getting them on board with this aerosol spraying.

Hoping for one of the willing participants in it to jump ship and cry foul at this stage of the game is not very likely as they are all involved in the project deeply and are all equally guilty, your expecting one of the major players to bring legal action against themselves, that will never happen.

You may ask the question, how can these "Governments" get around the U. N. resolutions / regulations banning things like climate modification / geo-engineering, etc...?

Each country has there own version of our 'National Security Act', therefor they can agree to conduct whatever projects they can dream up and simply cover them up with there National Security with no fear of any backlash from the U.N. and the non-aligned countries, NATO aligned countries pretty much have a blank check to do whatever they please, the U.N. has no teeth or the balls to do anything against NATO, never has, never will.

The United Nations is the equivalent of having a chicken for a guard dog.

[socrates]

halva said:

"We"??

Didn't you say, Socrates, that there is no "we"?

This is just an amusing and easy-to-read titbit from Jerry E. Smith's new book, which I recommend "you" (plural) read.

"We" refers to honest, sincere posters looking for answers to what is going on in the skies. "We" does not refer to fakes or those who are dependent on fakes. Through googling Jerry Smith one will see that he is on the fringe and adds no credibility to anyone seeking out chemtrail truths, same with Deep Shield, Jim Phelps, Chem11, Big Bunny, and 99.44% of the people who post on Chemtrail Central.

This thread also seems to be misplaced in a section consisting of for the most part good scientific sources. It should either be in the Haarp/ Weather Modification section, or more realistically should be placed into the orbs, aliens, tinfoil department.

There is a "we". It's just that you are definitely not part of it. Anyone who dismisses the need to expose fakery on chemtrails as a sign of neurosis, yet who provides some of the most dubious material of anyone and continues to act the strawman for Mr. Debunker, cannot and never will be part of "we".

[Swamp Gas]

The question is does halva post Jerry Smith to simply read him, or is halva advocating what Smith says?

Halva, you will have to answer that.

[halva]

Swamp and Socrates, it would be good for both of you to read Jerry Smith's new book.

It impresses me how for Socrates, every writer or activist in whom I take an interest becomes contaminated by association. First it was David Stewart, then Rosalind Peterson, now Jerry Smith.

Swamp you have not asked for any self-criticism from Socrates. He has come back to renew his previous campaign of witch-hunting of people on OUR side. Why are you allowing him to do this? Perhaps you should be answering some questions too.

The reality is that Jerry Smith is a writer who had come out of the conspiracy theorist milieu and still bears some of its traces. But in his book he has also scaled heights of serious research that puts him in the first rank of writers in our movement.

You would have to read the book to see what I mean. Why not just do it?

[socrates]

I am not going to be reading conspiracy theory books just because you recommend them.

"It impresses me how for Socrates, every writer or activist in whom I take an interest becomes contaminated by association. First it was David Stewart, then Rosalind Peterson, now Jerry Smith."

"Swamp you have not asked for any self-criticism from Socrates. He has come back to renew his previous campaign of witch-hunting of people on OUR side. Why are you allowing him to do this? Perhaps you should be answering some questions too."

I do a lot of self-criticism and reflection. While doing so I wonder why someone like yourself would be sticking up for fake believers like chem11 and BB.

It's not that I am on a witchhunt. It's that I am sick of some people talking about "we", and by doing so trying to trap all of us into all the contradictory, tabloid aspects of chemtrails that are found on the internet.

The Deep Shield was a hoax. Anyone promoting that or Jerry Smith is not being rational or good for chemmie credibility. Peterson is ok in my book, but she downplays geoengineering and sulfates while hammering away with barium. If barium is such a big chemtrail ingredient why aren't the levels rising in New Jersey according to SwampGas? Maybe barium is plugged so often (even a fake or pissing in wind type made it part of its name) because it is associated with haarp and mind control theories. Even though the geoengineering makes the most sense, it gets the least play in the forums.

[halva]

socrates said:

I am not going to be reading conspiracy theory books just because you recommend them.

"It impresses me how for Socrates, every writer or activist in whom I take an interest becomes contaminated by association. First it was David Stewart, then Rosalind Peterson, now Jerry Smith."

"Swamp you have not asked for any self-criticism from Socrates. He has come back to renew his previous campaign of witch-hunting of people on OUR side. Why are you allowing him to do this? Perhaps you should be answering some questions too."

I do a lot of self-criticism and reflection. While doing so I wonder why someone like yourself would be sticking up for fake believers like chem11 and BB.

If you really wonder that perhaps you are being self-critical. The way people behave towards one isn't the only criterion of their worth. I disagree with the Megasprayer crowd politically and I dislike Big Bunny personally, but it shouldn't escape your attention how well he and Deborah work as a team. How much knowledge they make available to us. Don't you agree with this?

You judge Deborah on the basis of what appear to be her blind spots. But she has developed these as part of a strategy for coping with debunker harassment.

It's not that I am on a witchhunt. It's that I am sick of some people talking about "we", and by doing so trying to trap all of us into all the contradictory, tabloid aspects of chemtrails that are found on the internet.

Well, let's do a deal. I will avoid all use of the word "we" if you do the same.

The Deep Shield was a hoax.

This appears to be a view that you picked up from Megasprayer but didn't reject when you rejected everything else about them.

Anyone promoting that or Jerry Smith

How do you know that when you haven't read his book, parts of which is brilliant.

is not being rational or good for chemmie credibility. Peterson is ok in my book, but she downplays geoengineering and sulfates while hammering away with barium. If barium is such a big chemtrail ingredient why aren't the levels rising in New Jersey according to SwampGas? Maybe barium is plugged so often (even a fake or pissing in wind type made it part of its name) because it is associated with haarp and mind control theories. Even though the geoengineering makes the most sense, it gets the least play in the forums.

Well, perhaps other people will have things to say to you about this. I don't know.

[socrates]

I guess as Swamp requests, we'll have to find ways to agree to disagree without starting conflagrations. I also see Thetaloops' point about not having forum fights spanning across the web. I feel I have made my points clear enough anyway about that other place, and as Swamp says, there is a time where you have to let the reader decide.

[Swamp Gas]

So, are you going to be nice, or do you have to leave?