Is This Disinformation?

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I’ve been reading that Paul Laffoley, an architect of the WTC has been on record as saying that the placement of demolition charges was spoken about in the early stages of development. He has been saying that a construction company owned by the Bin Laden family assisted in the construction of the buildings.

My initial feeling is that this could be a kind of plan B should the existence of thermate ever be proven. They’ll dig this story up and claim that Bin Laden did it somehow. This Laffoley character could be a disinformant?

www.mikehagan.com/2012/mp3/021207_PAUL_LAFFOLEY.mp3

kentroversypapers.blogspot.com/2007/04/bin-laden-construction-company-worked.html

Bin Laden Construction Company Worked on the World Trade Center!

During the next ten minutes or so, Laffoley described working for Roth, which was one of the many design and construction firms working on this massive ten-year project. Of the construction companies working on the WTC project, Laffoley announced, was the massive multi-billion dollar BIN LADEN CONSTRUCTION CO., which is the family of the individual who was originally BLAMED FOR the attacks on 9/11.

But, it really wasn't the FACT that BIN LADEN CONSTRUCTION worked on the project that was the real bombshell of what Laffoley had to say in this interview. The bombshell as it were, concerned the explosive charges that were built into the buildings AS PART OF THEIR DESIGN! Laffoley commented on how shocked he was when he was asked to think about HOW he would build in explosive charges, to take down the building complex, BEFORE it was even built!

Therefore, all those people who are trying to damage the cunning research of the 9/11 Truth Community (a community that does not rightly count Alex Jones among its' members, by the way!) by saying that they could have never slipped in those charges some time before 9/11, need to understand that those demolition charges that brought down WTC 1, WTC 2, and WTC 7 were there all along! Furthermore, it was Marvin Bush who played a big role in the security of the WTC complex, and between the Bush's, the Bin Laden's, Larry Silverstein, and the peculiar behavior of both Hillary Clinton and Rudolph Giuliani -- we have all the major players in this up to their necks!

The reader might wonder WHY they might build-in explosive charges at the time the buildings are built. This is a natural thing about which to wonder. However, it is a FACT that the buildings in NYC are packed in tighter than sardines in the midst of their worst supermarket fate. So, it is axiomatic that the designers of these buildings (and their insurance companies) are looking for ways to bring down these buildings in a manner that will not endanger any of the surrounding and neighboring buildings.

Their answer is found within CONTROLLED DEMOLITIONS, which most of us have seen via news footage of the implosions of old hotels and casinos in Las Vegas. Before 9/11, one could find television specials of these controlled demolitions on the HISTORY CHANNEL and other cable channels like them. Post-9/11, I cannot recall seeing one of these specials being aired, which I personally believe has been done to draw our attention AWAY from these ideas.

Now, WHY would they want to wire a building for a CONTROLLED DEMOLITION, when it could be taken apart legally? Well, the owners of the WTC investigated this, and the cost would have been more than what the buildings were worth. In fact, the aspect of 9/11 that I have heard NO ONE else mention, is that it appears to be the single largest case of INSURANCE FRAUD that this country has ever seen!

Besides, they met several objectives at once, in bringing down the towers in the way they did. They got their new BOOGEYMAN, now that the Soviet regime had been toppled, or so it appeared at the time. However, if Osama Bin Laden was supposedly responsible for 9/11, then what is this recent 'confession' from Khalid Sheikh Mohammed all about? Could it be that the Bush regime really know that they CANNOT produce a LIVING Osama, so they switched the blame to this new unwitting accomplice? These are just a few questions that you should be asking yourself about 9/11.

The curious reader can listen to the interview of Paul Laffoley by Mike Hagan, as the link and the time codings are BOTH listed below.

Listen, and have your mind blown!

First-person prima facie evidence by someone who was himself there, working on the WTC project ... also, please do NOT forget that the company tasked with the clean-up of the WTC site was CONTROLLED DEMOLITION, INC.!!

If that is NOT a display of consciousness of guilt, I do not know what else it could be!

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Then again, wasn’t it the Bin Laden family that also helped to fund Bush’s first oil company? And didn’t we also hear that the Bush’s vacation with the Bin Ladens? And didn’t we hear from Bush and others about how they’re not worried about capturing Bin Laden anymore? And didn’t the Bin Laden family also benefit (through Bechtel) from this “war on terror” launched as a result of 9/11? Then you add the bob sniffing dogs being removed and Mravin Bush running security and you have all of the makings of a mafia like criminal scandal. Perhaps Bin Laden is real but he was just doing the bidding of the Bush adminsitration all along? Now I'm really confused.

You could easily see where there could be collusion between the Bin Laden family and the Bush family to make this all happen.

money.cnn.com/2003/05/05/news/companies/war_bechtel/index.htm

Bechtel tied to bin Ladens
Osama bin Laden family members invested $10M in an equity fund run by former Bechtel unit.

The Bush administration launched a war on terror because of the alleged acts of Osama bin Laden. Ironically, one of the companies the administration has picked to rebuild Iraq after the latest phase of that war has ties to bin Laden's family, according to a published report.

Bechtel Corp., a private construction firm based in San Francisco, recently was awarded a State Department contract, potentially worth more than $600 million, to help rebuild Iraq's infrastructure after the recent U.S.-led war there.

The Bush administration pushed for that war, in part, because it said the regime of Saddam Hussein, former leader of Iraq, had ties to the al Qaeda terror network, headed by bin Laden, the group allegedly responsible for the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks in the United States.

According to an article in the May 5 issue of New Yorker magazine, several bin Laden family members -- part of a large, Saudi Arabian family that made a fortune in the construction business -- invested about $10 million in a private equity fund operated by former subsidiary of Bechtel before Sept. 11.

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Fintan Dunne was talking about this same thing. He thinks that everything we hear about Mossad, Bin Laden, Aliens, Space Weapons, 19 Arabs, Box Cutters, New World Order, etc is all disinformation. He feels that the only ones involved are members of CIA Covert Operations.

Now I also think that Mossad may be have involved in a minor role, but they are a piss ant subsidiary of the CIA, as is the Mafia. He also thinks that Alex Jones, George Noory, Mike Rivero, Jeff Rense, and some others are all plants by the CIA to deflect the 9/11 Truth Movement.

My view is...I don't know if this is true. I do know that the articles posted by these people are OK, but when they give their own conflicting opinions, that's when the trouble starts. For instance, Whatreallyhappened will never post the rebuttal of any of the articles he posts on Guns, Global Warming, and his dislike of people who think Flights 77 and 93 were anomalous.

Same with Jones and Rense. You never see any Pro-Gay or Woman's Rights.

Something is not quite right with these guys.

Alex Jones - New World Order

Mike Rivero - Mossad, Zionists

Jeff Rense - Aliens and/or New World Order

George Noory - Spirits, New World Order

They also don't touch Flight 93 and Flight 77, and mimic the government's line of what happened to both those planes.

Then, all of them want the entire public armed, carry concealed weapons all the time, they all don't like environmentalists, woman's libbers, and gays. I have thought about this for a long time, and I know you KNOWTHIS have also thought of this too.

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I don’t know what to believe anymore. I really don’t. But I am really excited about the new Loose Change movie. I’ve heard a few interviews with Bermas talking about it and it sounds like a real doozy. They’re expecting a worldwide wide release and it may even be banned in some states. They’re preparing for anything. He said that the graphics animations and production quality is way above and beyond the previous movies and way ahead of any other 9/11 truth film out there. He was asked if it’s going to be a lot like the previous ones content wise and he said that it’s a brand new movie meaning they basically started from scratch and added loads of new material. A lot has happened since the earlier movies were released.He also said that they’re taking their time in covering every base to ensure that they get it right. They’re shooting for a release date of September. How great would a debut on the anniversary of 9/11 be? I am worried that the conservative rabble rousers will do everything within their power to keep this thing out of the theaters. They know how to organize and threaten in to submission. Look at what happened to Whoopi Goldberg a while back. I really hope that Mark Cuban doesn’t cave.

I don’t agree with all of the politics of the Loose Change crew but I’m able to set that aside because of the massive punch they’re packing for 9/11 truth. So, as far as this WTC architect. Do you think this could hurt the truth movement or help it? I don’t even know how much weight to give this story to begin with? The information, if true, could be spun a number of different ways. Some good, some bad.

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Did you know that the petition put together by James Fetzer, Judy Wood and Ed Haas actually encourages NIST ‘NOT’ to investigate the use of explosives to bring down the towers? They all promote the baseless particle beam theory. I believe that they are all usurpers of truth at this point. I support Steven Jones. I feel that he is genuine.

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I think the best way to approach all of the conflicting data is to first assume that some of it is blatant CIA-controlled disinformation.

Then look at the one's that make the most logical sense. I will refer to my "Hateful Linear equation for Linear Minds". History shows us that the Nazi-Types have always tried to tie in one with the other.

Communist=Labor=Socialist=Beatnik=Hippy=Environmentalist=Gay=Vegetarian=Woman's Rights Activist=Antiwar Activist=Democrat=Scientist=Pagan=Liberals=ACLU=Progressives=Terrorist

As far as Loose Change, did you ever notice how Whatreallyhappened pans this movie? Just keep your ears to the tracks, but take your head off when the train is one mile away. It comes down to your intuition and instincts to know who is BS and who is legit.

knowthis said:

Did you know that the petition put together by James Fetzer, Judy Wood and Ed Haas actually encourages NIST ‘NOT’ to investigate the use of explosives to bring down the towers? They all promote the baseless particle beam theory. I believe that they are all usurpers of truth at this point. I support Steven Jones. I feel that he is genuine.

See this is what I mean. Too many disparate versions, and everyone gets confused. Then they throw the Right-Wing propaganda in to push their agenda, and the progressives that would be attracted to their ideas because of the shared mistrust of the government, are now more confused. To me, it splinters the alternative news even more, and like the term "ALternative Music" is a misnomer because that term was in fact created in the board rooms of Wall Street.

I guess the old adage, "an enemy of my enemy is not always my friend" is true.

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Remember about 3 wks ago or so I told you of my sons friend who apparently had been shown a film (at school) about how buildings such as WTC were built in this fashion,I told him that was bull that we had just watched a movie that was made like in the 90's about exactly how the WTC building was constructed and this was NEVER brought up,I have never heard this about any buildings,this size.
I really was wondering if they are not trying to use propaganda to really make this the memory the young kids will keep in their minds as the truth.
This is very interesting that this is actually the second time I have heard of this concept of detonators being constructed right in the buildings such as the WTC,but I have only heard anything like this within the last month or so,it makes you wonder how long they have been working on using this propaganda as another truth surge on 9/11 supposed truths the Gov. dirty boys are spewing out as real truths.
chicky

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They have always told lies, Half-Truths, and Cleansed Information about US history. Remember when we were told of the "Savage" "Redskins", and how the Cuban Missile Crisis was started by khrushchev? In fact, the US set up nuclear missiles in Turkey, and had them pointed at Russia first, and the Cuban Situation was a response by Russia. The other one was the absurd "Duck and Cover". Kneeling down in the hall in case of a Nuclear attack. I got in trouble in 4th grade by asking the teacher how could this work since I was an avid science fiction fan in the 50s, and we really needed to be 50 feet underground. And then there was the "Radiation is Safe" Commercials in the early 50s. I remember seeing a commercial where a woman was rubbing radium creme on here face to show that radiation hazards were hyped. What do you think all of the mutant Bug-Eyed monster movies were? They were the debunking of the government's propaganda. They had people all the time saying "trashy Science Fiction". Good thing my parents were smarter than the average people, and didn't fall for the nonsense. The establishment are such liars, I can't stomach it.

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Speaking of disinfo lately I’ve been posting articles about 9/11 on various political forums that will allow it. These are forums that I’ve been using for a while so I know the aliases of the regular posters. Time and time again these shady lurkers (newbies) who never posted before suddenly show up to post links to Popular Mechanics and argue with me. One forum for example is intended for bashing and critiquing Bill O’reilly. Every disinformant that shows up never seems to have anything to say about O’reilly even though that’s the main point of the forum. I call them out on it too. I post about 9/11 now but I originally joined the board to help expose O’reilly’s lies. When I stop posting about 9/11, their posts stop as well. These infiltrators sweep the messagboards and seek to tamp down anyone that’s asking too many questions. Especially if it’s a forum that they deem to be capable of reaching a new audience of potential believers.


This is an actual reponse that I got. Total BS.

Well being more the shy type I have lurked here on occasion, but was spurred to post here by your posts. However I will post regarding O’Reilly if I feel I can add to the discussion.

I was motivated by your posts regarding the 9/11 conspiracy myths because I find it wrong for people to spout things like your demolition myth or Jewish people did it myths, particularly since there is no credible evidence for either.

Shy my ass. Not too shy to spend hours of time attempting to refute my posts. These people try to act as if they’re just causal readers of Popular Mechanics or other rags and just stumbled across the topic but when you see the sheer volume of debunker links that they post you can tell that they have spent much time learning how to brainwash others in to accepting 9/11 officially.

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KNOWTHIS,this is in your face blatant dis-dis-info.These devil worshippers will stoop to anything.They will try to overload the info,dis-info,and dis-dis-info,as to discourage the general public from seeking the truth .

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pell said:

KNOWTHIS,this is in your face blatant dis-dis-info.These devil worshippers will stoop to anything.They will try to overload the info,dis-info,and dis-dis-info,as to discourage the general public from seeking the truth .

It is not the web posters that bother me as much as the possible high profile web masters do. Everyone knows an EdSmell, Lexie2000, or Stuart Milksop are either psyop disinfo or rabid Freepers.

The danger lies in people you want to trust, be it a Thermit, Alex Jones, Mike Rivero, DailyKOS, Amy Goodman, or in the recent case here, a Socrates. At first glance, they are saying the things you want to hear...chemtrails, Dislike Bush, and various other catch phrases the Right and The Left want to hear. What this has in effect to do is to divide us average people even more.

The most recent cases are Gun Control and Global Warming. Now any sane person would say:

1 - You should have guns under strict control in your house to protect your family, and a logical and sane police and military should also have them.

2 - Global Warming is real and we are accelerating it, and thus we should expand hydrogen fuel, electric, solar, geothermal, and hemp/corn research.


For #1, the issue is NWO/UN controlling our taxes, taking away citizen's guns, and taking land. On the other side is instilling a completely paranoid society where every Tom, Dick, Harry, and Jane is carrying a weapon.

For #2, the false "debate" is strictly political, social, and economic. Every hard core climatologist says there is a problem with CO2 caused by humans. The other side is populated with a lot of former pro-tobacco lobbyists, energy lobbyists, and generally "Environmentalist/hippy fating pundits. All of a sudden, Alex Jones, Rense, and Whatreallyhappened are attacking environmentalists on a constant basis, and spending more time with that than 9/11 research.

Now, 9/11 is a bit more complicated. Every one of the 9/11 "experts" has a different theory, ranging from ghosts to aliens to windowless planes to particle beams to explosives to pancaking to thermite to remote controlled planes to no plane at Pentagon to Plane at Pentagon to Missile at Pentagon to Flight 93 shot down to Flight 93 brought down by heroes to Cheney giving orders to Stand down orders to confusion at NORAD to Satan in clouds. You can see the same disinfo that has haunted the Chemtrail/Aerosol Mitigation research over the last 10 years. So many theories, and not many sites agreeing. Sadly, the 9/11 Truth Movement has been co-opted the same way.

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Sadly, the 9/11 Truth Movement has been co-opted the same way.

Sad but true. Rosie joining the 9/11 ranks was all I could stand and it showed me anyway,A.Jones is as much in bed with them, as she has been.Mike R.,I like a lot of what's posted at his site,jury still out.If Rense sold out or always was a spook,fuck it.I throw in the towel.Thermit won't answer e-mails sent to him months ago??? You know my take on that one.

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Rosie probably means well, but is an easy target, as is Charlie Sheen. Rivero is a Right-Wing phony, with an anti-war front end, but is like GW Bush in every other important social issue like woman's rights, gays, environment, and guns. His goal is to divide the Progressives that come to his site that Dislike Bush. He places the entire blame on 9/11 on Israel. Of course he posts good aticles. It is hus comments that his true self seeps through.

Rense has always been on my suspect list, when he would not post a single line about VoxFux being on the lam, and the "Aliens and Ghosts" make all other stuff seem
"crackpot". Same with Rense. 9/11 was Israelis and Aliens

Now Alex Jones, he really seems like the 9/11 guru, but his vision is a paranoid vision. This fear of the UN and World Government gets to me sometimes. What about the whole planet sharing a common vision of Peace and Understanding? Then his Crazy Christian stuff always comes in. Now, he never mentions Zionism at all. Also, did you ever check this out?

www.rsicc.org/Members/AlexJones/index.html

www.remnantsaints.com/index.html

www.rsicc.org/Form/Constitution/index.html

Now, Alex is the most credible of the 9/11 Internet Gurus, but his aliance with Rivero and Rense makes me question him. I want to believe what he says, but the paranoia always creeps in his talks. Well, maybe what Intel CEO Andy Grove once said, Only the paranoid survice"

The one thing I like about breakfornews.com is the fact that he says all this other stuff about planes vs no planes, Zionists vs NWO, Ghosts vs Aliens, Particle Beams vs Satan, Thermite vs Explosives, markings on planes vs no markings, and New World Order vs Global Warming Advocates, and Stand Down vs Cheney order, are all smokescreens for the fact that the CIA/NSA is the prime suspect, and has always been in all wars and activities from assassinations to Cointelpro from 1947 until now. I know this is true. You never hear them mentioned at all by any of the 9/11 Truthers.

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What really gets me is when Alex Jones claims that he doesn’t believe in the phony left/right political paradigm. It’s not that I have a problem with that view either, it’s that he doesn’t actually practice what he preaches. I’ve heard him slip up on Alan Colmes and say that he’s more right-wing than Sean Hannity. I think I sent you the short clip one Swamp? Why can’t he jut openly admit that he’s a conservative who supports almost every conservative causes ranging from guns, to attacking global warming? Lately what the neo-cons do to distance themselves from their own behavior is claim that anytime a conservative or republican does something bad, they’re really just liberals in disguise. They will always say that Bush is a liberal on spending. Well who the fuck voted for him then? Mostly conservatives. Alex Jones needs to stop assuming the false venneer of being an independent.

The government has admitted that it will utilize message boards to combat the truth. I believe that they understand the high numbers of traffic that may navigate certain forums and feel that damage control is a must. Especially in regards to 9/11. If a popular website is getting a few thousand hits a day and if just one out of every five browsers gets turned on to 9/11 truth by visiting, that’s a lot of people. This worries them greatly.

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knowthis said:

What really gets me is when Alex Jones claims that he doesn’t believe in the phony left/right political paradigm. It’s not that I have a problem with that view either, it’s that he doesn’t actually practice what he preaches. I’ve heard him slip up on Alan Colmes and say that he’s more right-wing than Sean Hannity. I think I sent you the short clip one Swamp? Why can’t he jut openly admit that he’s a conservative who supports almost every conservative causes ranging from guns, to attacking global warming? Lately what the neo-cons do to distance themselves from their own behavior is claim that anytime a conservative or republican does something bad, they’re really just liberals in disguise. They will always say that Bush is a liberal on spending. Well who the fuck voted for him then? Mostly conservatives. Alex Jones needs to stop assuming the false venneer of being an independent.

The government has admitted that it will utilize message boards to combat the truth. I believe that they understand the high numbers of traffic that may navigate certain forums and feel that damage control is a must. Especially in regards to 9/11. If a popular website is getting a few thousand hits a day and if just one out of every five browsers gets turned on to 9/11 truth by visiting, that’s a lot of people. This worries them greatly.

This is what all the Right-Wingers are saying...The Neo-Libertarians and the Neo-Cons. This "Phony Left vs Right", and yet the only thing i have in common with them is a dislike of Bush. I don't really believe Jones, Rense, Rivero, and a host of other Neo-Libertarians actually want peace. The same with the Neo-Liberals like Hillary, Obama, Edwards, etc. They talk of peace, and yet want to bomb Iran based on the same faulty intelligence. The perplexing issue is that they come up with some pretty sound evidence about 9/11. I guess disliking Bush and seeing 9/11 is an inside job is the only common points. All the other social ideas are out of a Klansmen or John Bircher handbook.

Yes, I will post that rant by Alex Jones and his Right-Wing Philosophies as soon as I locate it.

You can see what is happening to CTC now. It is literally overrun with 20 different variations of Ed Smell, and Thermit no where to be seen. I actually feel filthy going over there now, if I ever do, which is extremely rare. They are doing the same thing to the 9/11 Truth Movement as they have with anything that questions big industry and big religion, and that ranges from Military to Global Warming to woman's/gay rights, and the gun industry. Then, an industry like health foods and vitamins is attacked because it is positive.

Bizarro World!