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Post by Mech on Mar 15, 2008 9:01:35 GMT -5
I have been saying this for YEARS...but no one believed me. "Feminist" Gloria Steinem was/is CIA. *** What Gloria Steinem, Henry Kissinger Have in Common: CIA Paywww.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601088&sid=a1M9EAly2hog&refer=homeCharles Trueheart Bloomberg News Friday, March 14, 2008 The front organization was one of the earliest and most trusted weapons in the psychological Cold War between the U.S. and the Soviet Union. These seemingly independent and high-minded anticommunist entities were often created or co-opted by the bright young spies who became the founding fathers of the Central Intelligence Agency. Together, the groups formed what one U.S. agent called a ``Mighty Wurlitzer,'' an organ for playing variations on an anticommunist fugue. Hugh Wilford takes that phrase as the title for his superb new account of the underground combat in ideas and checkbooks that unfolded in the 1950s and early '60s. In ``The Mighty Wurlitzer: How the CIA Played America,'' he explains that the U.S., in bankrolling front groups, was tacitly emulating a Soviet technique for manipulating elite and popular opinion. Aiming to thwart the appeal of communism, the CIA and its forerunners co-opted labor unions, magazines and universities. They created scores of bogus committees and phony associations -- groups of Soviet-bloc emigres, artists and intellectuals, students, blacks and women. The galaxy of early Cold War front organizations is studded with acronyms, conferences, disputes, conspiracy, lore and still- classified information. Wilford heroically resists getting bogged down in marginalia, keeping his narrative at a relatively high altitude over the voluminous material. Kissinger Lures Emigres He enlivens every chapter with sketches of larger-than-life figures: Frank Wisner, for example, was the half-mad genius who coined the Wurlitzer image; he devised elaborate subterfuges to champion freedom. Henry Kissinger, for his part, lured young emigres to Harvard seminars with government funds, Wilford says. What of the patriotic volunteers? Gloria Steinem, the future feminist, has acknowledged that she worked for a CIA front, the amusingly named Independent Service for Information, whose purpose was to undermine a Soviet-bloc youth festival in Vienna. Tom Dooley, the celebrated humanitarian doctor in 1950s Vietnam, had no issues with his CIA cash, Wilford reports. Neither did Eugene Groves, the president of the National Student Association -- until he finally decided the organization could no longer live a lie. The outing of that program by Ramparts magazine and its crusading editor, Warren Hinkle, exposed a spectrum of suspected front organizations, embarrassed the U.S. government and blemished the CIA for a generation. |
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Post by Mech on Mar 15, 2008 9:02:12 GMT -5
 Gloria Steinem and the CIAThe New York Times, February 21, 1967 C.I.A. Subsidized Festival TripsHundreds of Students Were Sent to World Gatherings A New York freelance writer disclosed yesterday that the Central Intelligence Agency had supported a foundation that sent hundreds of Americans to World Youth Festivals in Vienna in 1959 and Helsinki, Finland, in 1962. Gloria Steinem, a 30-year-old graduate of Smith College, said the C.I.A. has been a major source of funds for the foundation, the Independence [sic -- Independent] Research Service, since its formation in 1958. Almost all of the young persons who received aid from the foundation did not know about the relationship with the intelligence agency, Miss Steinem said. Ironically, she said, many of the students who attended the festivals have been criticized as leftists. The festivals are supposed to be financed by contributions from national student unions, but are, in fact, largely supported by the Soviet Union.Miss Steinem said she had become convinced that American students should participate in the World Youth Festivals after she spent two years in India. "I came home in 1958 full of idealism and activism, to discover that very little was being done," she said. "Students were not taken seriously here before the civil rights movement, and private money receded at the mention of a Communist youth festival." Hears of Funds Miss Steinem said she had talked to some former officers of the National Student Association, who told her C.I.A. money might be available to finance American participation in the seventh postwar festival scheduled for Vienna in the summer of 1959. The former association officers had had ties with the C.I.A. while serving the association, which last week conceded it had taken money from the intelligence agency since 1952. "Far from being shocked by this involvement, I was happy to find some liberals in government in those days, who were far-sighted and cared enough to get Americans of all political views to the festival," Miss Steinem said. She noted that most Americans who had attended various festivals were sympathetic to Communist policies.The Independence [sic] Research Service, originally called the Independent Service for Information on the Vienna Festival, was organized with headquarters in Cambridge, Mass. It concentrated, Miss Steinem said, on disseminating information about the festival and urging young persons who espoused flexible, but non-Communist, foreign policy views to attend. Miss Steinem was a full-time employe of the service till following the Helsinki festival in 1962.About 130 youths who had made contact with the foundation did attend, although few of them received significant financial help, Miss Steinem said. Recruits for Festival Before the Helsinki festival in 1962 the foundation again recruited young teachers, lawyers, scholars, linguists and journalists -- most of whom would consider themselves very liberal Democrats -- to attend. The Independent Service financed a newspaper, a new [sic -- news?] bureau, cultural exhibits and two jazz clubs during the festival. However, its most important work was to convince youths from Asia, Africa and Latin America that some Americans understood their aspirations for national self-determination, Miss Steinem said. Miss Steinem insisted that the C.I.A. had never tried to alter the policy of the foundation. "I was never asked to report on other Americans or assess foreign nationals I had met," she said. Miss Steinem noted that since the foundation was started in "the post-McCarthy era" the Federal Government could not openly finance the foundation. Overt government support would also have "alienated" youths from other countries who were suspicious of the United States, she said. "The C.I.A.'s big mistake was not supplanting itself with private funds fast enough," she observed.____________________ From Kai Bird, The Chairman: John J. McCloy and the Making of the American Establishment (New York: Simon & Schuster, 1992), pp. 483-84, 727. In the summer of 1959, just before McCloy took his family for an extended trip to Europe, C.D. Jackson wrote to remind McCloy that later that summer a World Youth Festival was scheduled to take place in Vienna. Jackson asked McCloy to contribute an article, perhaps on the "benign and constructive aspects" of the U.S. occupation of Germany. The piece would appear in a daily newspaper to be published in Vienna in conjunction with the festival. McCloy agreed, and the article was published (in five languages) in a newspaper distributed by a twenty-five-year-old Smith graduate named Gloria Steinem.138 McCloy's connection to Steinem went beyond contributing an article to the propaganda operation of which she was an editor in Vienna. Late in 1958, he and Jackson had discussed how the United States should respond to the expected Soviet propaganda blitz in Vienna. Previous gatherings of this kind had always been held in Moscow, East Berlin, or other cities in Eastern Europe. These events were major propaganda circuses, and the CIA was determined, in the words of Cord Meyer, a career CIA officer, "to compete more effectively with this obviously successful Communist apparatus."139 Washington expected some twenty thousand students and young scholars from all over the world to converge on Vienna that summer for the three-week festival. Consequently, the CIA wanted an organized student presence in Vienna in order to counter Soviet propaganda. C.D. Jackson recognized the Vienna Youth Festival as "an extremely important event in the Great Game." He explained, "This is the first time commies have held one of these shindigs on our side of the iron curtain; and what goes on, how it goes on, and what the follow-up will be is, I think, extremely important."140 By the time Jackson first approached McCloy, in the autumn of 1958, he and Cord Meyer, head of the CIA's International Organizations division (IO), had a plan. The Agency would provide discreet funding to an "informal group of activists" who would constitute themselves as an alternative American delegation to the festival. The CIA would not only pay their way but also assist them to distribute books and publish a newspaper in Vienna. Among other individuals, Jackson and Meyer hired Gloria Steinem to work with them. Steinem had recently returned from a two-year stint in India, where she had been a Chester Bowles Asian Fellow. "I came home in 1958," Steinem later explained, "full of idealism and activism, to discover that very little was being done.... Private money receded at the mention of a Communist youth festival."141 Convinced that a contingent of liberal but anticommunist American students should go to Vienna, she heard through her contacts at the National Student Association that there might be funding available to finance American participation in the festival. Working through C.D. Jackson and Cord Meyer, Steinem then set up an organization in Cambridge, Massachusetts called the Independent Service for Information on the Vienna Youth Festival. She obtained tax-exempt status, and Jackson helped her raise contributions from various American corporations, including the American Express Company. But most of the money came from the CIA, to be managed by Jackson in a "special account." The entire operation cost in the range of $85,000, a not inconsiderable sum in those years.142 (Steinem's organization, later renamed the Independent Research Service, continued to receive support from the CIA through 1962, when it financed an American delegation to the Helsinki Youth Festival.143) Steinem ended up working closely with Samuel S. Walker, Jr., vice-president of the CIA-funded Free Europe Committee. Because the Austrians did not want to be associated with the Free Europe Committee, the Agency set up a commercial front called the Publications Development Corporation (PDC). Walker was made president of this dummy corporation, funded in part by "a confidential one-year contract" worth $273,000 from the Free Europe Committee.144 His job was to supervise the book-and-newspaper operation at the Youth Festival.145 ... 138. C.D. Jackson to McCloy, 6/12/59, DDE [Dwight D. Eisenhower Presidential Library, Abilene KS]; Cord Meyer, Facing Reality: From World Federalism to the CIA (New York: Harper & Row, 1980), p. 103. 139. Meyer, Facing Reality, p. 102. 140. C.D. Jackson to Frank Stanton, 7/13/59, DDE. 141. NYT, Feb. 21, 1967. 142. C.D. Jackson to Cord Meyer, 12/16/58; Samuel S. Walker, Jr., to C.D. Jackson, 2/2/59; Gloria Steinem to C.D. Jackson, 3/19/59, DDE. 143. When this covert operation was revealed by Ramparts magazine in 1967, Steinem told The New York Times that she approved the Agency's role. "Far from being shocked by this involvement, I was happy to find some liberals in government in those days who were far-sighted and cared enough to get Americans of all political views to the Festival." (NYT, Feb. 21, 1967). Steinem's definition of a liberal then included such young men as Zbigniew Brzezinski, an assistant professor at Harvard, and Tom Garrity, a lawyer with Donovan & Leisure. She arranged though Jackson funding for both men to attend the festival. (She also tried to get Michael Harrington to attend, but he dropped out at the last minute.) Steinem's politics then appeared to be typical of many 1950s anticommunist liberals. She told the Times in 1967, "I was never asked to report on other Americans or assess foreign nationals I had met." But in fact, in response to a query from C.D. Jackson, Steinem wrote Jackson in great detail on the left-wing affiliations of various Americans associated with the allegedly Soviet-backed U.S. Festival Committee. (Gloria Steinem to C.D. Jackson, 3/19/59, DDE; NYT, Feb. 21, 1967.) 144. S.S. Walker to C.D. Jackson, "Status Report," DDE. 145. Samuel Walker eventually made a career out of publishing, becoming president of Walker & Co., a New York City publishing firm founded in the same year as the CIA funded Publications Development Corporation. In Vienna, he and Steinem worked well together. Their organizing efforts led to a split in the official American delegation. Their propaganda machine pumped out four hundred thousand copies of a daily newspaper for three weeks with articles by McCloy, Irving Kristol, Czeslav Milosz, Hubert Humphrey, Willy Brandt, Isaac Deutscher, and a broad range of other intellectuals and politicians. They also distributed some thirty-six thousand books by such left-of-center but anti-Soviet writers as George Orwell and Milovan Djilas. In the midst of it all, Walker reported back to Jackson, "Gloria's group continues to do yeoman service, distributing books etc. to the point where the cry has gone up 'Never before have so many Young Republicans distributed so much Socialist literature with such zeal.'" Walker praised Steinem's "female intuition" and wrote, "Gloria is all you said she was, and then some. She is operating on 16 synchronized cylinders and has charmed the natives...." (C.D. Jackson to Cord Meyer, 7/14/59, with attached Walker diary; Walker to Jackson, 7/31/59, DDE.) ____________________ Addendum In 1975, a radical feminist group called Redstockings published their research on Steinem and Ms. magazine. Four years later, Random House was preparing an edition of Redstockings' Feminist Revolution. Steinem, Clay Felker (who launched Ms. and once worked for Steinem's CIA front), Katharine Graham, Warner Communications (Graham and Warner were major Ms. stockholders), and Ford Foundation president Franklin A. Thomas complained to Random House. The offending chapters were deleted and an "Abridged Edition" was published. |
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Post by Mech on Mar 15, 2008 9:02:53 GMT -5
ROCEFELLER FUNDED WOMENS LIB IN THE 60's TO BREAK UP "Common" IE POOR FAMILIES. Hollywood director Russo goes in-depth for first time on the astounding admissions of Nick Rockefeller, including his prediction of 9/11 and the war on terror hoax, the Rockefeller's creation of women's lib, and the elite's ultimate plan for world population reduction and a microchipped society Paul Joseph Watson Prison Planet Monday, January 29, 2007 Snippet.... Hollywood director and documentary film maker Aaron Russo has gone in-depth on the astounding admissions of Nick Rockefeller, who personally told him that the elite's ultimate goal was to create a microchipped population and that the war on terror was a hoax, Rockefeller having predicted an "event" that would trigger the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan eleven months before 9/11. Nick Rockefeller told Russo that his family's foundation had created and bankrolled the women's liberation movement in order to destroy the family and that population reduction was a fundamental aim of the global elite.Currently undergoing more treatment in his fight against cancer, Russo made time for a sit down interview with radio host and fellow documentary film maker Alex Jones in which he dropped bombshell after bombshell on what Rockefeller had told him about the direction the world was being steered towards by the global elite. After his popular video Mad As Hell was released and he began his campaign to become Governor of Nevada, Russo was noticed by Rockefeller and introduced to him by a female attorney. Seeing Russo's passion and ability to affect change, Rockefeller set about on a subtle mission to recruit Russo into the elite. During one conversation, Rockefeller asked Russo if he was interested in joining the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) but Russo rejected the invitation, saying he had no interest in "enslaving the people" to which Rockefeller coldly questioned why he cared about the "serfs." "I used to say to him what's the point of all this," states Russo, "you have all the money in the world you need, you have all the power you need, what's the point, what's the end goal?" to which Rockefeller replied (paraphrasing), "The end goal is to get everybody chipped, to control the whole society, to have the bankers and the elite people control the world." Rockefeller even assured Russo that if he joined the elite his chip would be specially marked so as to avoid undue inspection by the authorities. Russo states that Rockefeller told him, "Eleven months before 9/11 happened there was going to be an event and out of that event we were going to invade Afghanistan to run pipelines through the Caspian sea, we were going to invade Iraq to take over the oil fields and establish a base in the Middle East, and we'd go after Chavez in Venezuela." Rockefeller also told Russo that he would see soldiers looking in caves in Afghanistan and Pakistan for Osama bin Laden and that there would be an "Endless war on terror where there's no real enemy and the whole thing is a giant hoax," so that "the government could take over the American people," according to Russo, who said that Rockefeller was cynically laughing and joking as he made the astounding prediction. In a later conversation, Rockefeller asked Russo what he thought women's liberation was about. Russo's response that he thought it was about the right to work and receive equal pay as men, just as they had won the right to vote, caused Rockefeller to laughingly retort, "You're an idiot! Let me tell you what that was about, we the Rockefeller's funded that, we funded women's lib, we're the one's who got all of the newspapers and television - the Rockefeller Foundation." Rockefeller told Russo of two primary reasons why the elite bankrolled women's lib, one because before women's lib the bankers couldn't tax half the population and two because it allowed them to get children in school at an earlier age, enabling them to be indoctrinated into accepting the state as the primary family, breaking up the traditional family model.
This revelation dovetails previous admissions on behalf of feminist pioneer Gloria Steinem (pictured) that the CIA bankrolled Ms. Magazine as part of the same agenda of breaking up traditional family models.
Rockefeller was often keen to stress his idea that "the people have to be ruled" by an elite and that one of the tools of such power was population reduction, that there were "too many people in the world," and world population numbers should be reduced by at least half.One issue which has spiraled out of control of the elite according to Rockefeller's conversations with Russo, is the Israel-Palestine conflict, with serious thinking at one stage revolving around the bizarre notion of giving Israeli citizens one million dollars each and relocating them all in the state of Arizona. |
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Post by Swamp Gas on Mar 15, 2008 13:32:41 GMT -5
Another attempt at Neo-Cons like Rockefeller trying to make legitimate social change movements seem "funded by the CIA". Robert Anton Wilson and Leary talked about this often. They said to discredit positive change, tie it to the CIA. It is like when Henry Makow insists the Beatles and the 60s were a CIA creation.
The main goal of the Neo-Cons game is to throw doubt into Progressive people about things like Environmentalism, Woman's Rights, Anti-War, Single payer health plans, Social Security, Vegetarianism, other religions, etc. always knew Steinem was a double agent, and this has the same effect on people as saying "The Commies are behind Labor Unions.
Aaron Russo may be a decent fellow, but he is another "Free Trade" advocate, and that is a very disturbing thought, as I and thousands of other people in my division were outsourced due to Globalism and Free Trade.
My case is this.....Both the Right and the Left are working to destroy the Middle Class. The Right wants Free Trade and privatization and the left wants globalism.
The idea of woman being equal to men is not attractive to Right Leaning people, and the Left wants men being made fools of by militant feminists. The best example of this is the traditional Church not letting woman getting ordained, or extreme pagan woman calling men "snails".
But....if two lesbians that love each other want to get married and raise a foster child that was abused in a heterosexual relationship, then why should males have the last say?
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Post by Mech on Mar 15, 2008 13:57:14 GMT -5
Are you saying that Gloria Steinem was NOT funded by the CIA? She said it HERSELF for Petes sake!!! portland.indymedia.org/en/2005/02/310075.shtmlAs for the Beatles.....I love what they did and still love the music today......but they did have people from the Tavistock Institute (mind control agency) backing them as a MASSIVE social experiment. www.whale.to/b/tavistock.htmlAs For Aaron Russo.....as far as I am concerned...he is/was a true American for exposing the Federal reserve and making his final film "Freedom To Fascism. www.freedomtofascism.com/ |
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Post by Mech on Mar 15, 2008 14:53:55 GMT -5
But....if two lesbians that love each other want to get married and raise a foster child that was abused in a heterosexual relationship, then why should males have the last say? It works both ways Swamp. In FACT....Most of the time Women ALWAYS end up having Custody of Kids in marital Disputes...among other things. Is this fair? You tell me. www.antimisandry.com |
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Post by Mech on Mar 15, 2008 15:01:49 GMT -5
Here is CLASSIC Feminist Hypocricy in action........
Found this TODAY.
Annie Lennox claims women work harder
Saturday, March 15 2008, 09:37 GMT
By Daniel Kilkelly, Entertainment Reporter
Annie Lennox has claimed that women deserve more praise for helping society to function well.
The singer insisted that women work harder than men and that their "behind the scenes" work often goes unrecognised.
She made her comments at the launch of Bryan Adams' Brilliant Women photography exhibition at the National Portrait Gallery earlier this week.
"Women still have to work harder than men. When you go to hospitals and care homes it is women doing the hard work, the drudgery," Lennox explained. "Women do the housework - they work behind the scenes and have to do it all and also compete with men."
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BULLSHIT!!!!!!
I bust MY ASS at work...and I DO NOT have ANY woman "cleaning and cooking" for me
when I get home.
She can go back to her Multimillion dollar home and have SERVANTS work for her.
She is 100% FULL OF SHIT...and I won't buy ANY of her records whatsoever.
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Post by KNOWTHIS on Mar 15, 2008 16:50:42 GMT -5
I don’t think that either sex should be claiming a position of superiority. I disagree with the comments of Annie Lennox. I can tell you who really makes me sick though, Dr. Laura Schlessinger who represents absurdity on the other side of the spectrum. If it were up to her, women would be obedient, submissive slaves still lacking the right to so much as even vote. When Spitzer got caught cheating with a prostitute she basically blamed his wife. thinkprogress.org/2008/03/11/dr-laura-blames-spitzers-wife-for-scandal/This reeks of, “she was raped because she asked for it by wearing too short of a skirt”. Schlessinger has also referred to homosexuals as "deviants" and "biological errors". To this day there is still an income disparity between men and women. |
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Post by KNOWTHIS on Mar 15, 2008 17:02:29 GMT -5
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Post by KNOWTHIS on Mar 15, 2008 17:06:07 GMT -5
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Post by KNOWTHIS on Mar 15, 2008 17:09:22 GMT -5
My point is that if you feel that feminism represents a radical agenda it does you no good to counter it with an opposite yet equally radical agenda.
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Post by Mech on Mar 15, 2008 17:44:43 GMT -5
My point is that if you feel that feminism represents a radical agenda it does you no good to counter it with an opposite yet equally radical agenda. Don't point your finger at me dude. WHAT "Agenda" do you claim I have.  ?? I am pointing out the HYPOCRICY of feminists and especially CIA FUNDED Gloria Steinem. If you want to attack me for my opnions...im pretty much used to that. It wont stop me. If you wish to deny a PROVEN FACT out of your own personal bias...so be it. |
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Post by Mech on Mar 15, 2008 17:49:54 GMT -5
Let me guess...
You are going to dismiss every expose' or critique of "feminism" just because Henry Makow has MINORITY views on relationships and RADICAL homosexual activists.
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Post by Swamp Gas on Mar 15, 2008 17:55:44 GMT -5
Are you saying that Gloria Steinem was NOT funded by the CIA? She said it HERSELF for Petes sake!!! As for the Beatles.....I love what they did and still love the music today......but they did have people from the Tavistock Institute (mind control agency) backing them as a MASSIVE social experiment. As For Aaron Russo.....as far as I am concerned...he is/was a true American for exposing the Federal reserve and making his final film "Freedom To Fascism. 1 - I said she had CIA ties. The first experiments with LSD were used by the CIA for mind control, but Leary and Hollingshead let it escape to the public, and the rest is history. When decent people get a hold of CIA experiments, such as LSD and Feminism, they turn it into positive experiences. The idea that Steinham was the only female involved in Woman's Rights is naive. You should have lived in the 50s and 60s, when woman were thought of as second class citizens. 2 - Henry Makow is a foaming at the mouth crackpot. He even thinks Hitler worked for the Brits. If anything, he is a CIA front, and I doubt and question EVERYTHING this guy says. Right Wingers work very hard to convince us all that the 60s, Hippies, environmentalists, woman's Libbers, Antiwar activists, vegetarians, gays, etc are all creations of the Commies/CIA. 3 - Aaron Russo is a mixed bag, much like Ron Paul. If Globalization and Free Trade are "Pro-American" concepts, then we are truly living on Bizarro World. I agree that the Federal reserve is diabolical, but the beatniks and hippies were pointing this out in the 50s and 50s, not Right Wingers. 4 - Annie Lennox is an incredible talent, vegetarian, and does a lot to help people, and....I agree with her.  |
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Post by Mech on Mar 15, 2008 18:09:12 GMT -5
Annie Lenox is a man hating spoiled brat as far as im concerned and her man hating comments are NOT welcome.
To say that its "good" that Steinem was funded by the CIA is totally bogus and truth to tell..I can't believe you are saying so in light of what the CIA has done.
Sad.
Its NO accident that there is now a 50+ percent divorce rate in America.
The CIA/TAVISTOCK/Globalist plan to break up the family and have men and women at each others throats has been succesful.
The only one who is laughing are the controllers.
The Feminists have been duped. Period.
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Post by Swamp Gas on Mar 15, 2008 18:22:21 GMT -5
Annie Lenox is a man hating spoiled brat as far as im concerned and her man hating comments are NOT welcome. To say that its "good" that Steinem was funded by the CIA is totally bogus and truth to tell..I can't belivee you are saying so in light of what the CIA has done. Sad. You're interpreting what I said incorrectly. What I said was the CIA funded many of these projects, but some people figured out what was going on, and turned it into something positive. Michael Hollingshead brought LSD to the USA when it was leaked the CIA was using as mind control, and the Army was using it as a weapon. Hollingshead and Leary brought it to many creative people, and everyday folks, with massive scale of positive results. Ted Kennedy was the one who told Leary that it will be banned in 1966, against Leary's warnings that it create a poisonous black market. This is the same as feminism. It may or may not have been created as a social "weapon", but some people got a hold of the concept, and turned it into something useful. Please read what I post more carefully. Also, It is true that woman work very hard, and do not get the same pay as men. Research show woman get less money than men for the same job. www.credittoday.net/public/1943.cfm |
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Post by Swamp Gas on Mar 15, 2008 18:28:18 GMT -5
Its NO accident that there is now a 50+ percent divorce rate in America. Maybe women, who used to take all minds of crap from abusive husbands and boyfriends, don't take it any more. Feminism equalized the playing field, I see it as society is getting rid of the male-dominated relationship. Ultimately, that is a good thing. |
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Post by Mech on Mar 15, 2008 18:54:10 GMT -5
Maybe women, who used to take all minds of crap from abusive husbands and boyfriends, don't take it any more. Feminism equalized the playing field, I see it as society is getting rid of the male-dominated relationship. Ultimately, that is a good thing. I can read into the condescending attitude towards males in your paragraph. But, its no suprise....media has bash, bash, bashed males over and over and over again. Especialy WHITE males....the worst male of all. I see it as social engineering to fit the controllers specific needs...and it DOES fit their present needs perfectly. |
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Post by KNOWTHIS on Mar 15, 2008 19:23:08 GMT -5
You seem to have some sort of unexplained bitterness towards women which you’ve chosen to take out on me. My point is that if you feel that feminism represents a radical agenda it does you no good to counter it with an opposite yet equally radical agenda. Don't point your finger at me dude. WHAT "Agenda" do you claim I have. ?? "You" meaning people in general. Like if I were to say, "you have to learn to crawl before you learn to walk". First off, the CIA has infiltrated all kinds of groups and organizations at one time or another. I’m certain that even the 9/11 truth movement has been effected by moles promoting ridiculous hologram and particle beam theories. I don't think that means that we should conclude that the 9/11 truth movement is altogether bad. Am I not allowed to disagree with you? What fact did I deny? He has basically the same views as the nutcase Dr. Laura Schlessinger who has a 'nationally syndicated radio show'. Must be some pretty prevalent viewpoints in some circles. The divorce rate is actually highest in the conservative “sanctity of marriage”, "family values" states where women are much less likely to be liberal feminists. To blame divorce on certain liberal movements is nothing more that Bill O'reilly style propaganda. |
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Post by KNOWTHIS on Mar 15, 2008 19:29:40 GMT -5
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Post by Mech on Mar 15, 2008 19:56:17 GMT -5
UMMM...NO WRONG. I SAID....the CIA/TAVISTOCK/GLOBALISTS WANT A 50% or more divorce rate. It has to do with POPULATION CONTROL..and destroying the family unit. Its all about CONTROL.....the traditional family is a THREAT to the controllers. End of story. I mentioned NOTHING about Gays. You seem to have a hang up about them. |
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Post by Swamp Gas on Mar 15, 2008 20:04:18 GMT -5
I can read into the condescending attitude towards males in your paragraph. But, its no suprise....media has bash, bash, bashed males over and over and over again. Especialy WHITE males....the worst male of all. I see it as social engineering to fit the controllers specific needs...and it DOES fit their present needs perfectly. Come on! Do you really believe that the only ones who are NOT controlled by the CIA/Mass Media are Libertarians? Remember, I was on top of the Media Brainwashing in 1965, when I was getting straight As in Civics classes and science classes. I have always had a logical mind, and I know damn well when somebody is attempting a hoodwink. I simply think that the people who are claiming positive social movements are "CIA/Mossad/MI6/KGB creations" , are themselves probably the Disinformation Purveyors. It is truly "Infowars", and even the bright people like Alex Jones, Thom Hartman, Mike Malloy, and Aaron Russo have to be careful not to let their political slants color reality. From my point of view, they all are parts of the puzzle, and not the whole answer. To answer your assertion that I have a negative view towards males is silly. I just happen to think that males and females are equal, and woman deserve more respect than the Bible-Oriented. Male Sky God Society has given them. I agree that white males have been a target, but THAT is the CIA/MEdia at work. True Pagan Wiccans believe in equality. In it is coopting of feminism by the CIA that has created the chasm between the sexes. TRuly Goddess POwer has nothing to do with politics. |
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Post by Swamp Gas on Mar 15, 2008 20:07:37 GMT -5
I SAID....the CIA/TAVISTOCK/GLOBALISTS WANT A 50% or more divorce rate. It has to do with POPULATION CONTROL..and destroying the family unit. Its all about CONTROL.....the traditional family is a THREAT to the controllers. End of story. I mentioned NOTHING about Gays. You seem to have a hang up about them. Then why is the divorce rate the highest with anti-gay religious fundamentalists? I think KNOWTHIS is saying that Gay people have had as much discrimination and hatred toward them as have blacks. Personally, I think you are giving too much power to these controllers. The question is, have they controlled you to any extent, not do they control everyone else? |
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Post by KNOWTHIS on Mar 17, 2008 0:20:56 GMT -5
UMMM...NO WRONG. I SAID....the CIA/TAVISTOCK/GLOBALISTS WANT A 50% or more divorce rate. It has to do with POPULATION CONTROL..and destroying the family unit. Its all about CONTROL.....the traditional family is a THREAT to the controllers. End of story. I mentioned NOTHING about Gays. You seem to have a hang up about them. I know that you didn’t say that. Go back and re-read what I wrote. I never even mentioned you. What I actually said was that ‘similar’ arguments have been made and the article refers to religious zealots in particular. If the elites really wanted to destroy the family then they ought to be promoting old-fashioned conservatism because those parts of the country where such politics are most popular are marred with the highest of divorce rates. I think those statistics have more to do with the deteriorating economy and the financial stresses that it places on the family than anything else. Also, what Swamp says is true, there’s enough discrimination and prejudice to go around and being Muslim or gay in the United States today isn’t exactly a walk in the park either. A large percentage of the Christian conservative population believes that homosexuals are sinners, and in some cases, evil mistakes of nature. And you only have to ‘appear’ to be Arabic in descent to have others sweating bullets on a plane wondering when you’re going to detonate that bomb that they assume you have strapped on beneath your coat. You might even get framed, tortured or even killed for a crime that you had nothing to do with. I’ll agree that there’s reverse discrimination and racism against white people as well. I’ve experienced it myself many times. It’s a major societal problem which spans all groups, colors, creeds and sexes etc. I just don’t see a need to mope around with my head down all day feeling as if I’m a marked man. We never have to live in another person’s shoes or skin so we often tend to assume that our own personal situations are the worst. Everyone has their own stories to tell though. |
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Post by Swamp Gas on Mar 17, 2008 17:37:32 GMT -5
This is exactly what I have been saying for close to 40 years. The Conservatives have the highest divorce rate, and then will point to "Liberals and Homa-Sexuals" as the cause of the divorce problem. If a side effect of woman standing up to abusive husbands is divorce, all the better. Then misogynists and flaming machos like Henry Makow starts bringing in the Beatles, hippies, environmentalists, feminists, and vegetarians as some wild Commie plot. He should go back to Rubik's Cube because he is such a "SQUARE".
The goal of the game is to discredit EVERY aspect of the 60s, since it scared the living crap out of the Establishment/Money Machine/Neo-Cons. I also see the dislike by some people of 80s New Wave as another subliminal attack. Synthesizers, woman, and gays figured prominently in the music. I can remember a hard-ass rocker metal guy once saying to me "Synthesizers are for fags". Funny, the same thing was said about the Macintosh computer by PC-ites in the early days because artists and musicians embraced it first.
As I said before Leary and Wilson were accused of being FBI, CIA, NSA, Commies, Fascists, you name it. John Lennon was accused of being a Soviet agent. This is classic psy-ops. Point the finger at antiwar and peace loving people, to take the eyes off of the real Neo-Cons doing the damage. This is what happened in the 50s. McCarthy foaming at the mouth the "Commies" were everywhere, meanwhile the US Government was bring in hundreds of Nazis through Operation Paperclip and putting them in power. It is the same thing with this Free Trade nonsense. How can "Pro-American Patriots" be for Free Trade, when it has destroyed some many jobs? Another aspect of this is all of the "Global Warming Skeptics" being funded by Exxon Mobil and the Coal Industry, and totally infiltrating the Right Wing, including the Libertarian movement.
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Post by KNOWTHIS on Mar 17, 2008 18:49:27 GMT -5
I’m a living testament to the fact that divorce isn’t necessary the end of the world either. As it turns out, not all people are compatible with one another in the long run. People change, situations change and life changes. Inevitably some marriages are going to fail as a result. My parents got divorced years ago and though it was difficult at first, it was the right decision for all of us. When they were together it was a toxic, embattled environment not fit for anybody. I see no good reason for continuing to live that way.
Besides, my father is now much happier single, my mother is happily re-married and I now have a great step-family and new friends that I otherwise wouldn’t have known. If anything I’d argue that the divorce has actually strengthened our family unit. I don't attribute the divorce to feminism or the new world order either. It was something that was meant to be. Personally I think that the psychotic elites would much rather see people involved in abusive relationships with neglected children that they can then abduct through CPS.
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