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Post by thinkagain on Nov 23, 2006 17:58:11 GMT -5
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Post by et in Arcadia ego on Nov 23, 2006 18:54:08 GMT -5
NICE FIND!
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Post by et in Arcadia ego on Nov 23, 2006 19:08:14 GMT -5
He's reading DIRECTLY from Teller's Report to Congress from back in the early 90's.
You wanna know where the shit's released?
Start looking at GOES12 sat images of the Pacific..
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Post by socrates on Nov 23, 2006 23:17:14 GMT -5
it looks like the chemtrails we have all been witnessing have been parts of widespread experimentation, to see how the materials spread out, perhaps to accelerate global warming, work out different concoctions, methods over various regions. Here's the picture that goes with the article. Illustration by Jonathan Barkat posted by Arcadia: "He's reading DIRECTLY from Teller's Report to Congress from back in the early 90's." The only difference though is the spraying seems to be happening below the stratosphere where Teller theorized it should take place.
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Post by BigBunny on Nov 23, 2006 23:24:43 GMT -5
Socrates wrote: If this is indeed true ( ) then they've stuffed up Australia in a very way because we are in our SIXTH year of drought.
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Post by socrates on Nov 24, 2006 0:03:22 GMT -5
I've read too many of these frankenstein scientists saying how easy it would be to get it going. That to me implies that while they are seeking out how to overcome the legal and social obstacles, they have had all these years to work on their crazy pollution schemes in real conditions, not just labs.
Sorry about your droughts. I have faith in the earth to recover if we stop messing with it.
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Post by socrates on Nov 24, 2006 15:11:19 GMT -5
Comments on the ArticleHere are a few: Nic | 11/24/2006, 6:54 am EST "Sure, this scheme would counteract global warming nicely. There’s just one “little” problem. Sulfur oxide in the atmosphere eventually turns into sulfuric acid. Ouch. You know, blowing up a few hydrogen bombs would cause a nuclear winter, and boy, that would solve global warming as well. Why don’t we just do that? Oh, right, radiations. The point is: there’s no silver bullet. I would’nt mind snake oil salesmen at all, if it weren’t for the fact that I, too, live on this planet. " Gaia sighs... | 11/24/2006, 6:30 am EST "Has anyone considered what the results would be if this plan goes forth, and we then experience another Krakatoa? We would have set the stage for another Ice Age." Michael Fury | 11/23/2006, 8:41 pm EST "Wood’s mentor Edward Teller wrote this up in ‘92. It’s been an ongoing experiment in plain sight over your heads since ‘99, involving additives to jet fuel to create aerosol artificial cloudcover. Some call it “chemtrails”. “Dr. Evil” and his buddies don’t need your approval any more than they need your approval to put laser cannons in space or fly Global Hawks over your suburbs. They just finally decided to tell you about it. "
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Post by et in Arcadia ego on Nov 24, 2006 15:39:05 GMT -5
I just hope there's no major Volcanic eruption anytime soon, or there's gonna be some serious trouble..They warned about it as far back as 1992.
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Post by altitudelou on Nov 24, 2006 22:44:49 GMT -5
Socrates wrote,
"The only difference though is the spraying seems to be happening below the stratosphere where Teller theorized it should take place." _________________________________________________
Socrates,.... your exactly right, that's another reason why I believe the Chemtrail spraying taking place in the troposphere is "Weather Modification" related rather than "Mitigation of Global Warming" which would require aerosol materials to be injected into the stratosphere to have any lasting cooling effect rather than spraying in the troposphere where it would only have a short life span.
By the spraying that we see taking place in the troposphere and applications of forms of direct energy would most definitely have short term effects on the weather patterns, the application of direct energy could even effect the jet stream, bending and shaping it to effect the weather.
By definition The troposphere is the lowest layer of the atmosphere and contains about 95 percent of the mass of air in the Earth's atmosphere. The troposphere extends from the Earth's surface up to about 10 to 15 kilometers. All weather processes take place in the troposphere, obviously if your going to try and modify the weather the troposphere is exactly the place you would want to work on.
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Post by altitudelou on Nov 24, 2006 23:06:52 GMT -5
I don't think that we have seen any active efforts via spraying or other means as yet to stem the effects of Global Warming, no doubt that's coming very soon, when NASA scientist, civilian scientist and government types go into secret meetings on geo-engineering as they have recently you can bet the farm that they are seriously considering all the methods of mitigating Global Warming, even if they are "Tin-Foil-Hat-Far-Out-there".
Now why do you think they want to hold secret meetings on geo-engineering, think there might be something so outrageous put forward that they don't want the public to hear it, what's so important about geo-engineering theory and proposals that they have to keep it a secret, maybe they are afraid that someone will let something slip out about the "Weather Modification" that's been going on since the late 90's.
Secret meetings, Ha, sounds like the good old boy's club trying to hold on to what control they think they have left to me, these FUCK-TARDS will be the death of us all yet with their messing with nature bullshit.
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Post by Swamp Gas on Nov 25, 2006 0:59:15 GMT -5
OK, I have read through this twice. The corporate Lovelock embraces Dr Evil. Well, that's comforting!!! Just like these Democrat Whores that want to leave Bush alone, these "environmentalists" like Brand and Lovelock, sell out. Plain and simple. The cat is out of the bag. Dr Evil says we need to do this. WHOAAAA!! BIG FUCKING SURPRISE!!! They have been doing it for nearly ten years, and are now looking for acceptance from Hippies and Environmentalists by using those two sluts as fronts. Lovelock is a big advocate of Nuclear Energy. Is Exxon buttering his bread? Brand is advocating mirrors in space? All band-aids. The Government could crash program a conversion of all cars to hydrogen and electric for one Trillion dollars. BUT OH NO!!!! We must invade oil producing countries.
Pitiful creatures, these corporate types and linear thinkers. And you know what else is pitiful. I posted this at CTC, and no response.
Probably because it is not Aliens, UFOs, Orbs, Demons, bacteria, and HAARP. It is NOT weather control. The weather getting fucked up is a result of this insanity. The weather control is a side project. I have been saying this from the beginning
Global Warming
UV-B reflection
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Post by socrates on Nov 25, 2006 1:43:53 GMT -5
Posted by AltitudeLou:
Socrates,.... your exactly right, that's another reason why I believe the Chemtrail spraying taking place in the troposphere is "Weather Modification" related rather than "Mitigation of Global Warming" which would require aerosol materials to be injected into the stratosphere to have any lasting cooling effect rather than spraying in the troposphere where it would only have a short life span. "
Thanks, just repeating what others have pointed out before. Arcadia is saying they are spreading most of it off the Pacific. That would explain the web strands being more evident on the West Coast, same with morgellons? This is really getting into speculation. I haven't read Swamp's post above me here yet, but I figure though he is gonna point out the general consensus we are all kind of agreeing on, the global warming- uv rays - weather manipulation....
I haven't seen much spraying lately, but it is damn overcast milky white practically every day. Today was the first decent day in a while. Next psy-op will probably be oh with global warming there is more misture in the air, more clouds, But then they will have to ground aviation?? or debunk the global dimming/ aviation connection??
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Post by socrates on Nov 25, 2006 2:02:09 GMT -5
I agree with you Swamp, but will step aside if BB, Lou or anyone else wants to comment on Lovelock. What's next? Let's get the coal plants going. That's good pollution to Dr Evil. Posted by Swampgas: "...Pitiful creatures, these corporate types and linear thinkers. And you know what else is pitiful. I posted this at CTC, and no response." You posted the Dr. Evil article at CTC? I got to get over there and check that out. On the Toxic Skies part2 thread, just me and some other dude wrote something, the rest was starman telling me I was getting annoying for posting what you just did with this gem: "Probably because it is not Aliens, UFOs, Orbs, Demons, bacteria, and HAARP. It is NOT weather control. The weather getting fucked up is a result of this insanity. The weather control is a side project. " Well, Arcadia says they are spraying big from the Pacific. I will now theorise that they put that up as high as they can, as much as they can, this would explain web strands, morgellons perhaps, then the natural west to east current takes the crap all across America. By the time it gets to the East Coast, perhaps we are just seeing them fill in the gaps, then they hope it falls into the Atlantic??? "I have been saying this from the beginning Global Warming UV-B reflection " Yeah, cause if it was weather modification, one would think they'd be having more success. imho OK, before I go, here is the real Dr. Evil
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Post by Swamp Gas on Nov 25, 2006 2:11:01 GMT -5
Ha!! How about this?
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Post by et in Arcadia ego on Nov 25, 2006 3:01:55 GMT -5
Morgellon's appears to be aquired from high altitude fungi that would otherwise not ever interfere with ground-based life had it not been presented with an un-natural path to Earth, ie: a webstrand, which btw, I watched them 'landing' again today at workl and everyone with me saw them as well. Some decent 40 footers, but I know they can do better than that..
There's a reason you get innoculations when you visit other parts of the World. Why should it be any different when more elevated organisms find they're way to where they Don't Belong?
Mark the pocket outbreaks. Take note of Statospheric dispersions. They're hallmarked down-wind by 'clear' days, but the right king of sunglasses show these 'blue' skies' as ugly and bruised.
It's like living in a fucking Horror Movie..
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Post by et in Arcadia ego on Nov 25, 2006 3:25:47 GMT -5
Let's get the coal plants going. Suggested in 1992 as ' Spiked Coal', a form of Mitigation. You'll find the publication at the bottom of this publication index page: www.nap.edu/collections/global_warming/index.htmlIn the Authoritative 1992, " Policy Implications of Greenhouse Warming: Mitigation, Adaptation, and the Science Base" Chapter of specific interest: fermat.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=1605&page=433hint - expand your text size, but be prepared to only read partial text from each page. I purchased this PDF last year( MUCH more data to be read), and in conjunction with the IPCC's Special Report on Aviation and the Global Climate( warning, bottom-heavy pdf link here): www.ipcc.ch/pub/av(E).pdfThese reports leave little to the imagination. Here's another excerpt that's a real bitch: 2. Anthropogenic aerosols tend to produce negative radiative forcings * Tropospheric aerosols (microscopic airborne particles) resulting from combustion of fossil fuels, biomass burning and other sources have led to a negative direct forcing of about 0.5 Wm2, as a global average, and possibly also to a negative indirect forcing of a similar magnitude. While the negative forcing is focused in particular regions and subcontinental areas, it can have continental to hemispheric scale effects on climate patterns. * Locally, the aerosol forcing can be large enough to more than offset the positive forcing due to greenhouse gases. * In contrast to the longlived greenhouse gases, anthropogenic aerosols are very shortlived in the atmosphere, hence their radiative forcing adjusts rapidly to increases or decreases in emissions. www.ipcc.ch/pub/sarsum1.htm#twoIndex listing: www.ipcc.ch/pub/reports.htmI took a shitload of heat from Big Joe because LLNL published the US version of the IPCC(International) report, but he failed to recognize that they were only the middle-men in getting the book PRINTED, and nothing more.. This was one of several issues that instigated my own departure from the crew, quarrels about Stevens were another, least among them the demoralization afterwards that was calculated through CTC's beheading.. It's a Dirty Road you travel, guys.. Again, I say: I hope there's no major Volcanic eruptions, because Doctor Evil's too stoopid to think that far ahead..And he always has been, no matter what name-tag he wore..
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Post by altitudelou on Nov 25, 2006 19:38:51 GMT -5
"Again, I say:"
""I hope there's no major Volcanic eruptions, because Doctor Evil's too stoopid to think that far ahead..And he always has been, no matter what name-tag he wore."" _________________________________________________
Now I wonder what the odds are against a major volcanic eruption taking place, say, within the next five years are, I'm not putting any money down on that one, not with all of the earthquake activity that's going on worldwide.
These asshole scientoids invented "Nuclear Winter", I wonder how many of them can say "Ice Age" after the next Fuji, Vesuvius, Etna or our very own Yellowstone Caldera blow, maybe they figure that if that happens they can just stop the spraying and everything will work itself out_yeah, right, kind of like that whole Iraq thing is working out !
Can anyone tell me why so many assholes seem to be running things? ( No need, I'm being sarcastic. )
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Post by Swamp Gas on Nov 25, 2006 22:29:59 GMT -5
This "Free World Order" at CTC goes right for the population control stuff. Typical of either lack of information or disinformation. Here Dr Evil admits Teller's proposals are "on the table" (they are already occuring), and the CTC crowd is still locked into Aliens (starman1), Orbs, and population control. www.chemtrailcentral.com/forum/thread11469.htmlFree World Order Joined: 18 Apr 2006 Posts: 424 Location: Totalitarian EU Sat Nov 25, 2006 2:06 pm Is there not any evidence to suggest it has really been ongoing for decades as has weather modification - now we see laws for this. And also the UN had rules on this back in the 1970's to try and prevent any country using such tech to use as a weapon. Unclassified documents also show we have been facing weather modification for decades. It is possible to spread viruses this way using aerosol inhalation (a UK operation was tested for this use in the 1960's) which is fast and effective when done properly. Some low aprayed aerosols are almost touching tops of buildings in rural areas of the country that I see. There are possible multi uses here. Using modern warfare (that has been readily available for over 70 years) it will make it possible to wipe out global populations in such short periods of time. Won't remaining people ask questions about this though....ah, a natural pandemic? _________________ Europe “must speak with one voice” Another EU motto is "Many Tongues One Voice" European Union Institute - Federalist Bankers ================================== www.prisonplanet.tv www.organicconsumers.org
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Post by socrates on Nov 26, 2006 7:34:10 GMT -5
I had the same reaction when I read Free World Order's post. I think this internet scheme goes well beyond debunkers versus believers. This is why CTC stinks and appears to be dominated by fakes. What does population control have to do with the Dr. Evil article?
How Toxic Skies part2 AND the Dr. Evil article are being covered there speaks volumes about CTC as a psy-op, imho.
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Post by altitudelou on Nov 28, 2006 21:37:35 GMT -5
I did not want to start a new thread with this so I'm sticking in here if that's Ok? I'm no big fan of U.S.A. Today but this article "Whistle-blowers tell of cost of conscience" outlines perfectly just why it is that we can not get to the "Inside" people of the Chemtrail / Spraying operations that we know are taking place. When appropriate, substitute Chemtrail's / Spraying as you read through this piece, the message becomes clear. "Whistle-blowers tell of cost of conscience" By Catherine Rampell, USA TODAY www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2006-11-23-whistle-blowers_x.htm
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Post by socrates on Nov 29, 2006 16:16:51 GMT -5
Another thing Lou to consider might be that there is a media clampdown on chemtrails except for Paul Moyer. If there was a whistleblower, where would they even be able to go. Maybe a real pilot could go on the next tv report. I think chemtrails versus contrails is what Moyer should go after. If he could show that there is no way this is a hoax, that there is no way we are just witnessing Chinese and Indian aerosols making their way to America, then I think this thing could be exposed. As we all seemed to say a while back, four minutes doesn't do justice to this topic. We need a full hour investigation at the least. A well done documentary might even be better. Certain low budget movies have made it big as cult classics, e.g. Mad Max, blair witch hunt, perhaps at universities there is already an awareness of what is going on, that we may not see a grassroots chemtrail movement, but that in fact it is real and it will emerge eventually.
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