Mel Gibson With A Major Change Of Heart?

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I always thought that Mr. "Passion Of The Christ" was a raging Conservative? He often editorializes on Conservative web pages about abortion. If so, his fans won't like this very much.

I wonder if he has been watching the polls? That may have influenced his flip-flop? Popular demand can be a mother effer....

There's a learning curve you know? And Conservatives are always the last to figure it out.

His movie does seem to be pretty biased about other cultures. He could've just as easily used the Crusades as an example instead of the Mayans. I feel like it's a "my belief system is better than yours" type flick. Obviously I haven't seen it yet. All that I can say is that it's supposed to be anti-Bush so that's good.


uk.news.yahoo.com/12052006/364/gibson-inspired-fear-mongering-bush.html

Gibson inspired by 'fear-mongering' Bush

Film star and director Mel Gibson has launched a scathing attack on US President George W Bush, comparing his leadership to the barbaric rulers of the Mayan civilisation in his new film Apocalypto.

The epic, due for release later this year, captures the decline of the Maya kingdom and the slaughter of thousands of inhabitants as human sacrifices in a bid to save the nation from collapsing.

Gibson reveals he used present day American politics as an inspiration, claiming the government callously plays on the nation's insecurities to maintain power.

He tells British film magazine Hotdog, "The fear-mongering we depict in the film reminds me of President Bush and his guys".

The right is really losing any support at all from Hollywood.


Bush is both the best and the worst thing to happen to this country. He's singlehandedly destroying his own party.

[Mech]

You are aligning Conservatives with NEO-CONS.There is a BIG difference.

Mel Gibson IS a true conservative.

Nothing wrong with that.

Any true conservative would HATE the Neo-Con agenda,

Mel has been exposing corrupt governments in his movies for years.


Mels best movies.

Conspiracy Theory(MK Ultra)
Air America (CIA drug running)
The Patriot
Braveheart


Go Mel

[chickenlittle]

I would have to say that I totally agree with you Mech about the Mel Gibson stuff,and also if there is someone out there who truly would dislike the eugenics euthanasia ect,it would be a true conservative,based on his abortion statements,I too am not in agreement with abortion because I feel that there are so many forms of birth control,unless it is an abusive type incest situation.
I guess partly because I have heard so many women speak of it and use it as though it was just like taking a birth control pill and this really soured me to the actions on their part in a situation like this.TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOURSELF,dont wait for a government program to wipe your butt for you.This is what I personally think
chicky

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I’ll accept that explanation of Gibson. I don’t know very much about him. I was under the impression that The Passion was the first movie that he directed. I had no idea that he was responsible for all of those other movies you listed. There is a difference between conservatives and Neo-cons, it’s just that it’s hard for me to tell sometimes. Regardless of how moderate or extreme the views, all conservatives seems to think of themselves as the “true conservatives”. I’m always hearing that Pat Buchanan is a “true Conservative” and yet he advocated Bush invading Iran just to boost his poll numbers. The same with Ronald Reagan, if he was a “true conservative” with his trickle down theory I don’t want a damn thing to do with it.

I too am not in agreement with abortion because I feel that there are so many forms of birth control,unless it is an abusive type incest situation.

The problem is that so many religious right-wingers are also opposed to contraception because they feel that it encourages adolescent sexuality. They want pharmacists to be able to deny someone of their prescriptions based on religious grounds (that includes birth control). They feel that only abstinence is acceptable and I personally don’t see that as realistic. Young kids aren’t going to repress their natural human functions just because Pat Robertson say so. Kids are kids and they’re going to experiment and explore their sexuality. We can’t even keep sex scandals out of the church these days. Another thing is, how about caring for the babies that are born. Religious right-wingers don’t want homosexual couples to be able to adopt children. They’d rather have them stuck in a foster home? I’ve heard horror stories about these homes. There are tons of unwanted children sitting and waiting for a loving family to be introduced to.

The conservative party is also dead set on cutting all kinds of programs that would benefit poor children. Against nationalizing healthcare so all children have access to it. “Obsessed with the fetus but don’t care about the born”. How about all of the babies that have been blow up in Iraq or are being born deformed due to DU munitions? What about American children that are being harmed by pollution? Thanks to Du Pont, one child was born without eyeballs. These same conservatives would want to protect Du Pont from being sued or having to abide by regulations to prevent this from happening again. If that ain't bad enough for you check this out. I guess they'd rather have them die from cancer than to have sex?


newstandardnews.net/content/index.cfm/items/2552

Cervical Cancer Vaccine Raises ‘Promiscuity’ Controversy

With a vaccine that could prevent cancer in tens of thousands of women less than a year from the market, religious groups and reproductive-rights advocates are squaring off over how the medication will be distributed. Leading medical organizations are recommending that all girls be vaccinated just before puberty, while a number of religious and other socially conservative groups are concerned the cervical cancer vaccine may increase sexual activity among youth.


I don’t believe that anyone is for having recreational abortion. No more than anyone that’s for a treatment of cancer is supportive of cancer itself. I feel that a female should be able to do what she whishes with her own body. When the government starts deciding for you we’re all in big trouble. What happens when the government decides to pump your pregnant body full of drugs produced by pharmaceutical companies “for the benefit of the baby“? Once you give up your rights to what’ done with your body to he government you’ll never get them back. Then you can prepare to accept a chip implant too. One last thing, if abortions become illegal the desperate will just end up using dangerous back alleyway methods or in even in worst cases toss their babies in to a dumpster somewhere. It happens, has happened, would happen even more.

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I just wanted to add that I totally respect your views on abortion chick even though I might disagree to a certain extent. I can completely understand why you or anyone would be opposed to abortion. In a perfect world, I would be too. I wish that every child that was born was guaranteed a decent home, enough food, caring parents, safe & clean environment, healthcare etc. Unfortunately we have hundreds of thousands of kids born in to abject poverty and living with no hope. When I see the hopeless, abusive living conditions that some of these kids have to deal with I tell myself, "why even bring those children in to this world"? It's a very difficult issue. I don’t have all of the answers.

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Another thing that has always confused me is the stigma of death itself in the religious right communities. They seem to think of it as the worst thing that could happen. I thought that the greatest joy in the world was supposed to be, to be reunited with Christ and God in heaven? Don’t you have to die first? Besides the Rapture I guess.

I tend to follow the Buddhist belief system that death is not an end but a new beginning. Life and death is a continuous cycle with no beginning or end. Like the number 8.

[chickenlittle]

I agree with you too ,on almost every bit of what you have said, as I am personally NOT opposed (as I was raised ) to birth control PLEASE YES,of course I think one of the dumbest things the Catholic church teaches is only abstinence and it is illogical.I agree with the insane foster home stuff as well,(have read about extreme disgusting situations) and instead I think anyone who can care for a child and truley really cares is where the child should be.Anyways thanks for letting me know that you respect my views, as I, yours. and that is as it should be.The problem with this is it is a personal opinion my one big complaint is that I dont feel that like my tax dollars should pay for them and I would much rather pay for birth control.
Well have a great day all, I am gonna head outside and see if there is any blue left out there.
chicky

[chickenlittle]

Oh wait one more thing RAPTURE?? ha,ha ha
No I dont believe in that bunch of bullshit I cant wait for those idiots to be freaking out when shit hits the fan and their grabbing at everyone for help,dumbasses
lol
chicky

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Not to change the subject Chick but check this out. Government disinfo is being kicked in to high gear.

Click here then go to Fox News

I'll respond to the other stuff in a bit.

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I can see that you're a level-headed, rational Christian chick and you're the type that I have no problems with whatsoever.

Just so you know.....

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link

Mel campaigns for new movie, against war in Iraq

Mel Gibson has returned to the spotlight to promote his upcoming movie "Apocalypto," and to criticize the war in Iraq, according to the Hollywood Reporter.

In describing its portrait of a civilization in decline, Gibson said, "The precursors to a civilization that's going under are the same, time and time again," drawing parallels between the Mayan civilization on the brink of collapse and America's present situation. "What's human sacrifice," he asked, "if not sending guys off to Iraq for no reason?"

[chickenlittle]

Yeah, he once again doesn't surprise me I would have assumed that he would take this stance which is pretty cool to speak out.I am not a drooling fan but I think that he is probably one of the good guys after all the bullsh#t media crap is done being misquoted I think that they really jumped on him as fast as Jesse Jackson about that last thing that happened and possibly was even over quoted.I would say that him coming out against the war is a way the Bushites and media assume all the rich suckups to the Bush administration will give more backing to Bush and more hatred towards Gibson.Who knows they are so warped.
take care
chicky