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Post by chickenlittle on Mar 8, 2007 7:42:46 GMT -5
Hey Madcitizen TOTALLY by the way a bit of the oil in water look around the edges and they actually look like they are dripping which I have not seen in a while,Mark did hit the nail on the head that is a good discription that is exactly how they have been spraying up here,in fact I was all pissed the other day and when the sun peeked through I was talking to myself saying"Hey come on, you missed a spot,you guys wouldn't want us to get any sun now would ya?" I tell you that is what it is like,definately blocking the sunlight. Pray for wind,seems to throw a monkey wrench in the mix,I think. take care, chicky
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Post by chickenlittle on Mar 10, 2007 7:04:37 GMT -5
Hey you guys,I saw something very strange yesterday. I had to pick my daughter up from her job got there a few minutes early,sitting in my car I was watching this odd jet going over above and it literally seemed as though it wasn't moving almost going so slow that it seemed to be hovering. This thing was very big and going as slow as it was gave me a chance to get a good look at it,it was a mottled yellow and green,painted definately looked like a military jet. It was very ominous,and I can't believe that people are not bitching about these military aircraft being right above our area. I think people are so brainwashed that they would just say that the military is PROTECTING us. From what????ourselves right? Really pissed me off. Also by the way the regular jets were laying some odd trails very early yesterday in the a.m take care chicky
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Post by marklookingup on Mar 10, 2007 13:41:13 GMT -5
Chicky, did the jet have 4 engines? If so, it's been cruising around here very slowly and very loud also. I can't identify it either. Very strange shape.
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Post by madcitizen on Mar 10, 2007 16:48:35 GMT -5
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Post by madcitizen on Mar 10, 2007 16:55:40 GMT -5
The spray jets do have varied speeds, for sure. I've watched them many times traveling at various different speeds, sometimes real, real slow. Like slower than any (military, commercial, etc.?) jet would go. Then, we come back to the question of: "Just what are these jets? Where do they come from? Who's operating all of them?"
These are mystery jets, ladies and gentleman.
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Post by marklookingup on Mar 11, 2007 1:03:52 GMT -5
Madcitizen,
Here is an article I found in that newspaper. Pretty interesting. It could be talking about every state in the union:
Forest health Time to address factors within human control
Saturday, February 10th 2007
The landscape of Southwest Colorado is changing. Houses are springing up all over, connected by a spaghetti network of roads and utility easements, but an ever broader change is the loss of the trees.
Our opinion: Act to control the human element of forest loss.The issue: A future Colorado without trees.Many of the piñons are gone. In some places, their skeletons still stand; conscientious landowners, concerned about fire and insects, have cleared others. Stands of aspen are dying. Nobody completely understands why, and nobody is very willing to hazard a guess about how many — if any — are likely to survive. Higher in the mountains, tall trees are dying too. Every year there are more patches of rust-brown infected trees and ghost-gray dead ones. And then there are the swaths destroyed by fire, some of them small but some blackening tens of thousands of acres.
Multiple factors are responsible. Point to natural cycles. Blame bugs, drought and a century of fire suppression. Count the number of trees that have been cut down to protect those new homes from fire, to provide a better view, or to create the wood products used in construction and landscaping. Wonder about climate change.
And then wonder how much worse the deforestation is likely to get, particularly since the best way to combat fire danger, insect infestations and disease is to selectively cut or burn more trees.
On public lands, rising firefighting costs mean far less money is available for forest management. In 1991, firefighting accounted for 13 percent of the Forest Service budget; in the 2008 budget, that number rises to 45 percent, and there’s no reason to believe it will peak there.
Colorado’s future will be less forested, a fact of life that has many important implications for planning. The scenery alone is a valuable amenity for both visitors and residents — forested land sells for far more than grassland — but that’s far from the only benefit. Forests filter water that, without that tree cover, would come rushing downslope directly from the high-mountain snowpack to the basin’s rivers, bringing with it dirt and soot. They hold snow on the slopes and prevent avalanches. Trees, like other plants, replace carbon dioxide with oxygen. They filter pollutants from the air. They moderate temperature and humidity. They shelter shade-loving plants, provide habitat and food for animals, slow the wind, buffer noise and provide a host of other services that will be far more noticeable in their absence than they have been as long as Coloradans have been able to take their forests for granted. The loss of a significant percentage of tree cover will change Colorado in big, big ways. It will make the state look and feel very different.
So what’s next? Science, we hope, coupled with responsibility. It’s time to listen to what the researchers are saying and take a long, hard look at the role human habitation and development play in the changes we see all around. We cannot avert drought nor prevent all wildland fires. We may not be able or willing to take the steps necessary to eradicate the current insect scourge. But we can manage our forests to minimize their effects. We can actively decide whether our own convenience, comfort and even luxury are worth the environmental price, rather than continuing to blithely assume that all our actions are either harmless or justifiable, and that the problems we cause always can be remedied by someone else at some other time.
Foresters and landscapers say that the best time to plant a tree was 20 years ago, and the second best time is now. The best time to deal realistically with the loss of our forests would have been when it first began, but the next best time, still, is now. “Too late” is not an acceptable option.
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Post by chickenlittle on Mar 11, 2007 6:15:36 GMT -5
Hey Mark and Mad I don't know about the engine thing but it did have an odd front nose cap that stood out to me like it had lines on on cone tip of the jet,I really dont know how to describe it. It was not leaving trails at the time but it was nt flying all that high either.On the other subject: One thing we did in the PNW that was smart was we have been replanting our forests........at the least? chicky
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Post by marklookingup on Mar 11, 2007 11:30:44 GMT -5
Chicky,
Yup, it's the same aircraft I'm seeing. Next time, count the engines please. Getting wet today?
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Post by madcitizen on Mar 11, 2007 22:09:54 GMT -5
posted by marklookingup
Whew...another sobering article indeed. These type of articles are becoming more and more common these days, aren't they? Man.
Yes, Colorado is definitely changing, as is the entire world's ecosystems it seems and appears. On a somewhat related note, a friend of mine sent me a photo from somewhere north of Seattle from a month or two ago, maybe up in the Marysville/Everett area. Well, the picture hit me with a multitude of emotions. In the background was a beautiful mountain & even blue skies. In the foreground was a Home Depot, along with scores of tract homes and massive, huge power lines everywhere. Quite a contrast filled photograph for sure.
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Post by madcitizen on Mar 11, 2007 22:23:00 GMT -5
posted by marklookingup
Oh yeah, marklookingup, those sunbows are really strange, huh? And in your pic it looks like a cloudless, blue (somewhat blue, anyway) sky day. My guess is that the day &/or more previous to that day there was extensive spraying that occurred. Like what was created was a buildup in the atmosphere. I've seen the same thing many, many times here in Colorado. On spray days, it usually creates the rainbow/oily halo effect around the sun. Yet,after a couple of days of ongoing, heavy spraying, the next day we can see the sun exhibit the same effect. It makes logical sense, though, doesn't it? Like the chemicals in the spray hang around, from such a thick saturation buildup in the air from previous days' spraying. It's crazy. Does anyone remember rainbows caused by the sun? (Before regular chemtrail spraying, anyhow; mid 1990's)
I'm sure some of the bootlicking "experts" would come up with some idiotic term or atmospheric defintion for this. But, why does it absolutely coincide with the spraying? Huh...another mystery.
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Post by marklookingup on Mar 12, 2007 9:53:48 GMT -5
posted by marklookingup Whew...another sobering article indeed. These type of articles are becoming more and more common these days, aren't they? Man. Yes, Colorado is definitely changing, as is the entire world's ecosystems it seems and appears. On a somewhat related note, a friend of mine sent me a photo from somewhere north of Seattle from a month or two ago, maybe up in the Marysville/Everett area. Well, the picture hit me with a multitude of emotions. In the background was a beautiful mountain & even blue skies. In the foreground was a Home Depot, along with scores of tract homes and massive, huge power lines everywhere. Quite a contrast filled photograph for sure. _________________________________________________ I was born in and spent my first 38 years in Everett. That area freaks me out when I go back to visit. It has EXPLODED!
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Post by chickenlittle on Mar 13, 2007 8:35:27 GMT -5
Hi,I definately will check the engine situation when I see that again. I wanted to let you know that they did not spray too much in the morning hours yesterday as it was pretty windy gusts up to 29 mph. Then after the winds started to die down,there they were making X's overhead about 6 different ones. I hate them I am soooooooo sick of hearing them and seeing them. A woman wrote a letter to the local letters to editor section of our paper and I am not really sure what to think of this;but she says her cats want out after every rain,to the point where they sit and cry for hours and then she says that when she lets them out they run for a bucket of rainwater and can't get enough of it. She says they WILL NOT drink the tap water(which now has flouride and reeks of bleach),but want this rain water bad and she says what is in it or not in it compared to tap water that makes them prefer it??? Maybe the are low on aluminum or could they be putting drugs in it??? I do not know the answer to this;but I do know that there have been an emense amount of my generation deaths from cancer and heart failure lately and a real heavy feeling of depression amongst so many. take care all, chicky
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Post by chickenlittle on Mar 15, 2007 11:10:57 GMT -5
We have been dowsed nasty like the last couple of days,I was hoping the wind woul;d slow them down,but it just wasn't strong enough I guess. Yesterday I was outside a lot of the day painting the housew parts I didn't get finished last summer,I knew I was breathing the crap in,this morning I woke up with this thick STUFF in my bronchial tube,and coughed out a bunch of STUFF,(sorry I know this is not a charming disscussion)but hey it is the truth,I can only imagine just how bad it is going to get this summer,I think it is time for a mask,for real. I should keep a diary and see the difference in my mornings when I awake as far as coughing ect.after a mask being worn. I now don't let my daughter go outside on bad spray days. chicky chicky
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Post by chickenlittle on Mar 15, 2007 15:05:49 GMT -5
Also Mark,did you have military aircraft over your area late last night??? I did not witness it myself I guess I slept through it,(I can't believe I did)but people at my daughters work were talking about all the military jets over our area last night. chicky
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Post by marklookingup on Mar 17, 2007 1:28:10 GMT -5
I'm not aware of that last night. Today, however, I got so damned mad at the assault, I drove down to Jay Inslee's office in Poulsbo to throw a tantrum. Luckily for him and probably me, it was dark and locked. Here is a small example of today's spraying: www.chemtrailcentral.com/forum/album_showpage.php?pic_id=789
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Post by chickenlittle on Mar 18, 2007 11:06:17 GMT -5
Friday was a blitz out white out whatever,yes it looked about like that I really felt as though I was sufficating. I really do get pissed off too. chicky
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Post by marklookingup on Mar 19, 2007 0:53:45 GMT -5
Today (Sun.) was another spray-a-thon.
I had a very interesting talk with an air traffic control supervisor this weekend. I e-mailed Lou and ask him what questions I should ask the guy. Here is what has transpired so far:
OK Lou, Here we go. I'll take these one at a time. He was very friendly and extremely open. My gut feeling is that he was being honest. But then I have a tendency to trust people. I started off asking him if he would mind looking at a few pictures, the ones from yesterday which I hope you received. He had heard the word "chemtrail" a while ago, but didn't know any more than that. I informed him that the majority of the "clouds" in the pictures had originated from the back of an airplane. He seemed very unaware of the massive amount of trailing that has been going on. I believe he was honest about that because everyone is unaware until they are pointed out. I asked him if there was a commercial path running north to south over the Olympic Mountain range, and over the Cascade Mountains, as these areas get the most saturated with spray. He said yes there were, but not at altitudes that would create contrails. The military has the upper altitudes over these routes. I asked him about tankers flying grid patterns up in British Columbia, and he said he monitored an exercise up there where the aircraft would fly back and forth, over and over, and then fly perpendicular, doing the same thing. It sounded like the trails aren't showing up on their screens. Weather permitting, I'll see him again tomorrow. Q: Are there military operations or exercises that have been going on or are going on presently?
Yes, constantly Q: Does he know the nature of the military operations, etc...Weather Modification / Geoengineering / UV Atmospheric Shielding / Military Comminations Experiments / Other?
No, they are never given any information, other than when and where the operations will be. Q: Does he have to alter or reroute his air traffic due to the presents of military aircraft operating in or near his airspace responsibility?
Yes, depending on the altitude of his traffic. Q: Do the aircraft making these strange contrails appear hazy, degraded or abnormal in any way on radar returns?
I will ask this one tomorrow when I go back. Q: What is the average altitude, speed and numbers of the aircraft making these strange trails?
The average altitude of the operations are high; 20-35,000 ft. The speed and numbers vary. Q: ( If you get this far) Ask if he has any FAA memos or internal policy statements with regard to how ATC personnel are to conduct themselves with regard to these military operations or exercises. ( We know for a fact that ATC personnel are under strict FAA order not to discuss any operations or policies outside of there work, no even with each other. / this may be a very touchy subject with you're guy so use caution and ease into it.)
Tomorrow Q: ( If you get a good response) ask for copies of those internal memos or policy statements, those would be hard evidence of a cover up of the spraying and something that Tiff and I have been trying to get our hands on for the past five years but so far none of our sources have been willing to supply us with that information out of fear of loosing their jobs or worse.
Tomorrow The memos and policy statements are all coded to specific regions right down to the airports receiving them, you're guy will know this and may be reluctant to more than talk, if that. We wish you good luck in you're efforts with this Mark, let us know how things work out, it parallels what we have been through with "Deep Sky" so we can compare notes on any information that you might get, it should prove very interesting. Thanks again for the FYI on this, we will be waiting to here form you, any idea on when you might get to talk to you're guy?
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Post by madcitizen on Mar 19, 2007 14:14:55 GMT -5
Marklookingup, This is good news. There (the air traffic controllers) sits a strong lead toward exposing more of the truth of these spraying operations. Please follow up on it.
And let me know if I can assist in any way at all. PM me if so. I am willing to help however I can. It's so damn obvious, it is ridiculous. This worldwide spraying is known by many, but the facts just need to be eminated into the public domain even more on a larger, growing scale. Like a snowball rolling down a snowhill, gaining size and momentum.
Good luck now...
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Post by marklookingup on Mar 19, 2007 22:58:29 GMT -5
Chicky,
That aircraft flew over this pm., very slow, very low, and very loud. It's almost like he is trying to be seen.
I couldn't get to my camera in time, but I'll be ready next time. The plane is so wierd looking. The middle of the fuselage is square.
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Post by Swamp Gas on Mar 19, 2007 23:11:08 GMT -5
We in Northeast New Jersey have been experiencing a lot of spraying lately. There was one clear day in the last week, but for the last two weeks, criss-crossing constantly.
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Post by chickenlittle on Mar 20, 2007 5:41:36 GMT -5
Yes Swamp, It seems to be almost desperate,how much is being laid down and I even hear them on the cloudy days above the cloud cover. Mark I wonder if this odd large jet plane we are seeing is not the sensor of some kind monitoring the levels they are spraying? It is unnerving to say the least and I cannot tell you all just how sick (not a pun)I am of hearing these jets all the time,they are literally noise pollution,not to mention all the other pollutions they are dropping down on us. I stilll believe they are causing the heat on the earth to stay locked in,the other day it was 54 degrees in the morning and the ground was so warm the fog was unbelievable but was not forcasted at all,almost like they don't know what the side effects are going to be,or they don't think it through first(also not a pun) The assylums are empty and they are working for the Government and the military. chicky chicky
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Post by marklookingup on Mar 20, 2007 9:40:27 GMT -5
Chicky, Are you still out there? We are getting pasted EVERY day lately. It's insane. I did a repair on a house in Port Orchard yesterday and the lady of the house was complaining about having vertigo. She said the doctors have run multitudes of tests and are unable to find a cause. I invited her outside to witness a sky full of persisting trails, and it caught her completely off-guard. I suggested the cause of her ailment could be coming from above. She told me that her husband should be able to shed some light on the subject. It turns out that he is an air traffic control supervisor. I almost fell down! I'll be going back out to finish in a few days; making sure he is home. __________________________________________________ I made my 2nd trip out there Sun., and asked the ATC man to look at the activity on the day (Mar. 6), that I originally talked to his wife. That way there would be no confusion as to the exact flight paths and times of the spraying. I will be going back there, as I got rained out on Sunday. I'll tell you, the way he was talking, every incident that I brought up to him, made it appear that it is not commercial traffic doing the spraying. I'll report as soon as I hear more.
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Post by chickenlittle on Mar 24, 2007 6:49:48 GMT -5
Hey Mark and all,I am sitting here laughing at out Pacific Northwest weather reporter,shes like miss cutesy bleached blonde and telling us in a week ahead type report that here and there we will be getting some rain turning to showers here and there,WHERE THE HELL DOES SHE ACTUALLY LIVE???In the PNW? Because I am not sure but I do beleive it has been pissing rain for the last week, already and that is all it shows for the week ahead too,and lets not forget I can hear the massive jets above the clouds still,not to mention that I am trying to figure out what all the military vehicles are doing around here.Cammo right down to armored slick black trucks. I also want to say that there were old grandparents protesting in front of an rotc station and they were arrested.You know how dangerous those 70 year olds can be? ? another thing is,we now have these MAD MAX-ish cop cars in our area,they are very intimidating,and in my veiw we are not far from some sort of martial law take over, Has anyone experienced these changes just very recently in their areas??? I want to say that one day ago as I watched early morning reports on the weather channel. I listened as the reporters got into their serious voice (I think you all know what I mean) as they reported DANGEROUS ALLERGY season. O.k now I have heard annoying,and other such words to describe allergy time of year,but I HAVE NEVER heard it discribed as dangerous and deadly,unless it is of course bee stings or food allergies. They played it off on certain trees that they listed on the screen and basically said that people with allergies should run if they see one of these trees,I guess. My veiw is I actually think that they are going to start playing like it is something that has been going on for a long time that is causing terrible sickness',sinus and lung and heart problems and making joe citizen not ever suspect that, as we know, most of these airborne irritants are being spewed from above on us. I am really mad about this right now,it is the same old tell people a lie long enough and they just beleive it to be an old truth. Well,I am going to go and listen to the POURING rain???!!!!!!!It is supposed to be in the 50's this week and then drop overnight down to 32 degrees on Thurs.but no worries it will only be for just one morning? ? Hey Mark keep on this guy as much as possible without making him run away,I hope you can and I am interested in on going reading of your report on this issue. What?ever, chicky
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Post by chickenlittle on Mar 28, 2007 4:32:01 GMT -5
O.K this definately proves that teh weather people have no idea what is coming up as far as the weather is concerned,I am just enjoying blue skies.Hmmmmmm,wonder where they (johnnyspray and pals)went,have not seen them for a day or so maybe one or 2 jets but no noticable trail making in progress and yesterday was gorgeous and even some old fashioned billowy clouds,I went out and did some spring stuff outside took in some vitamen D and some deep breaths. It is supposed to get up to the 70's this week but I will have to watch and see. Right now an old dumped cat that was here before we came to this address has had 3 babies,tried to have her spayed but apparently they say she is too old,so now she has taken to us and I guess that means I have to just watch her and make sure to find babies homes,I would hope she is about finished with the litter life,she is pretty worn out (ol'girl.) I just feed her so she isn't starving anymore,people are really F*cked in the head,and our street is dumping heaven because they must know we are kind hearted down here. Anyways busy with all this,and sorry for venting on the chemtrail space. I also want to say that this year I am taking all our grass up and planting ALL vegetable gardens with re-generative seeds,let me know if any of you want seeds after bolting time and I will mail you all some.I am even planting rice this year,and my own corn,very excited about this. I am curious this year to check the growth rate between the greenhouse and under the chemtrail skies, take care everyone. chicky
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Post by madcitizen on Mar 28, 2007 19:17:48 GMT -5
Another person has been awakened to the reality of this chemical spraying taking place across our planet's skies! Horror and shock was what the person first experienced. Then followed the anger. Same course of emotions I felt when I woke up. The awakening continues & will not stop!!!
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Post by marklookingup on Mar 29, 2007 9:25:48 GMT -5
Yesterday, Wed, was an all out freak show. I have never seen so many triple X chemtrail patterns in one day. Absolute chaos.
Today, it looks like it's going to be a repeat. I'm watching the sun rise through a chemical mess.
Chicky, I'm curious as to how it was over your area.
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Post by chickenlittle on Mar 29, 2007 9:45:54 GMT -5
O.K yes Mark,yesterday (WED.) it was nasty and yes definate X's being laid down,It seems the jets I witnessed doing the spraying yesterday were blue??? I thought and hoped since the day before yesterday on (TUES)was nice that it was a roll we were on but,NO! I was out in it yesterday too,without a mask on,and this morning stuffed up bad. I can't tell yet today what is happening I was driving at 5:30 this morning heading east but it was still too early to tell,as the sun came up heading back home though after I dropped my daughter at work,it looked as though they had already been busy as there were strectched out old trails spreading. I wish the wind would blow,I think that when it is 25-30 mph,it causes them to give up. It just seems that they always quit when the winds kick in. I should have known the one day of sunny blue skies was all we would get. Last night right before I went to sleep there were about 6 jets flying over and they were noisy,about 1 every 5 minutes or so,I figured they were night spraying,and this morning I could not wake up,I usually wake up about every couple hrs.but not last night, I woke this morning at 5 a.m to my daughter shaking me saying "hey are you gonna give me a ride?"I was SHOCKED that I had slept like that. HMMMMMMMMM? chicky
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Post by chickenlittle on Mar 29, 2007 9:51:52 GMT -5
Mark also the weather guy in the northwest was saying something about temps getting up to 70 degrees within the next few days. I have always beleived that teh spraying holds down more pollution and heat and that is why the temps are rising on spray days. I bet it gets hot only after a massive spray attack on us. I will check it out. chikcy
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Post by marklookingup on Mar 30, 2007 9:43:59 GMT -5
As I suspected, Thurs. was another complete spray-a-thon.
As I watch the sun rise today, OMG.
HOW IN GOD'S NAME CAN IT GO ON AND ON AND ON???
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Post by chickenlittle on Apr 1, 2007 6:56:21 GMT -5
Yes it was such a white out the other day,when I was driving it was killing my eyes off,the glare of the white sky whith the sun being blocked behind it yet trying to burn through.That same day I was digging my garden beds for planting and in the middle of the night I woke up so congested and the next morning had a migrane that lasted all day and that is why I stayed off the computer yesterday.I think I am starting to feel better.I guess all you have to do is stay away from the outdoors,...........how freakin lovely
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