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Post by BigJoe on Apr 30, 2006 12:19:54 GMT -5
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Post by BigJoe on Apr 30, 2006 14:31:30 GMT -5
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Post by BigJoe on Apr 30, 2006 14:41:51 GMT -5
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Post by BigBunny on Apr 30, 2006 17:27:00 GMT -5
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Post by BigJoe on Apr 30, 2006 18:42:32 GMT -5
Absolutely, BB... and more people are waking up as well. Here are two more photos of chemtrails from yesteryear. Although the dates are not given here, on another website that carried these photos a few years ago, before they were pulled, shortly after we brought everyone's attention to them over at CTC, the dates for both of these photos were listed as March, of 1970. Looks like a major blitz is in the process of starting up here, and our friends who are spraying the chemicals on this lazy "hazy" early spring day don't seem to care at all how obvious they are, do they? Click on the thumbnails of the second and third images for the full sized view. Also, take note of the sky in the third photo. Sure looks like a partially chemmed over sky to me... www.bustalk.net/gallery/displayimage.php?album=33&pos=1If anybody is interested, this type of bus was referred to as a "fishbowl", because of the large, round windshield... and the location is Staten Island, in the spring of 1970. Both buses, now retired, were members of the New York City Transit Authority from the early 1960's through the late 1980's. |
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Post by DannyRock on May 2, 2006 7:51:41 GMT -5
Is there a possibility that the older images could have been altered to show chemtrails?  I used to spend a lot of time outside as a kid in the 70's and I don't remember ever seeing anything like those trails in the sky... |
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Post by BigJoe on May 2, 2006 10:12:02 GMT -5
Dan, absolutely not. I am totally convinced of this. A number of my old 35 mm kodachrome slides prove this. On two days, back in April of 1965, I took a series of shots in northern Westchester County of a massive spraying operation. I always fondly took these sets of photos as nothing more than two "lazy, hazy" days back in April of 1965... that was, until I discovered the spraying that was going on four years ago. Then I re-examined these photos, and quickly realized that what I was observing was nothing less than a massive spraying operation taking place back in the spring of 1965... a sky that was quickly being transformed into a chemical soup, laced and infested with expanding trails, back in 1965. Also, I checked out some of our old family vacation slides from the summers of 1958 and 1959 at the seashore off of Martha's Vineyard. What NONE of us realized back then, while we were all enjoying our days at the beach was that "our friends", even back then, were busy, way up above us, spraying away with their chemicals! Also, an old friend, an "old timer" who worked as a fireman on the Adirondack Division of the New York Central gave me a set of slides he took from the cab of a locomotive heading north... from Utica, New York, up through the heart of the Adirondack Mountains to Malone, on the Canadian border. (They used to run 150 car freight trains up through the heart of the Adirondack Mountains!) As the train heads out of the Utica Yards, and heads north, there are only a few trails in the sky. He keeps shooting the photos as the train goes along. 30 or 40 miles north, the spraying increases. By the time we get to Lake Clear Jct., which is not too far from Lake Placid, in the heart of the Adirondacks, the sky is becoming a mess. Finally, late in the afternoon, by the time we reach Malone, which was a crew change point, the sky is a yellowish chemical soup, with a number of trails visible. My friend took these photos back in 1954!!! I would post these photos here, but unfortunately I don't have the equipment for photographing color 35mm slides, and on a "one to one" ratio. I am working on this, and will share these photos when I am capable of re-shooting them in the proper format. The chemtrails have been around since at least the mid-1940's. An excellent source of photographic information on this are books, printed today, with high tech scanning and printing methods... of OLD, 35 mm kodachrome slides. Kodachrome goes back to the 1940's, and doesn't fade, and these books, printed with the latest technology printing techniques, bring it ALL out, as if these photos were taken only yesterday! As a long time "Railroad Fan", I have discovered the best source for this is books of railroad photos, taken from the 1940's, and on. "Railroad Fans" have an obsession for dating their photos, so the exact date is usually recorded on these photos, and printed in these books. As a long time railroad fan, I have quite a few of these books, and let me tell you... the story that they tell is truely mind boggling!!! The best books are "Morning Sun" books... www.morningsunbooks.com/I have quite a few of them... but there are a LOT of good railroad books with LOTS of chemtrails from yesteryear by other publishers as well. Unfortunately, due to the high quality of the printing and photos... each book usually contains well over 100 high quality phootos, they ARE somewhat pricey. But you can get around this, as your local library may carry some of them, and also, Borders and Barnes and Noble usually have quite a good selection of them in their transportation depts. I've found that the sales people are usually quite cooperative of taking off the "shrink wrap" if they think you may buy the book. If you have a Borders or Barnes and Noble near you, plan on going there and spending an enjoyable afternoon there looking at a photographic "history of chemtrails." But make sure that the books aren't of MODERN railroads... but are of railroads of the 1940's, 1950's, 1960's, AND 1970's. Also, another good resource for this may be your local model railroad hobby shop. It's usually about 50/50 here... some of these places don't have a very good selection, while others have excellent selections on books. And, if there is a model railroad flea market in your area, chances are there are a few vendors with some really good "chemtrail" selections. Check your local newspapers for this. Model railroad flea markets are the BEST place for finding these books! And don't forget... there are other sources as well... it's not just railroad books with old train photos in them. Being a railroad fan, I have discovered that this is the best source, but if you go to your local library, you may discover other subjects as well. I'd start with the transportation section, and spend some time just browsing. This whole thing has totally blown my mind! I too first believed that the chemtrails were only around since the mid to late nineties, but I started off going back into the early ninteties through my collection of "Railpace Magazine"... (Railpace) is a photo magazine of railroads in the northeast, and they switched over to high quality color photos around the mid-1980's. This publication is an EXCELLENT source for observing the latest activity on a monthly basis over all of the Northeast. Every mag contains well over 100 high quality color photos, all with locations and dates for every photo! www.railpace.com/and, after an afternoon of intense browsing through my collection, quickly discovered that the spraying program was just about as active today as it was in the mid-1980's!!! I was dumbfounded! I noticed many things here, one of them being that the spraying was greatly intensified from 1986-1989... which was EXACTLY the years that we got four abnormally HOT, dry summers in a row... the summer of 1988 breaking all heat and many drought records!!! By the time I got to the mid-1980's, I went over to my book collection, thinking that the spraying surely didn't go back THAT far. But SURE ENOUGH... there it was... chemtrails, chemclouds, chemmed over skies... absolutely no doubt about it! And then I went further back, into the 1970's, the 1960's, and they were still up there in many of the photos... spraying away. And there is little doubt that these are CHEMTRAILS, and NOT normal contrails. I've seen all the rest of the stuff of there as well... weird clouds, chemmed over skies infested with trails... I even ran across a photo taken in Massachusetts in the mid-1950's, of a "hole punch cloud"!!! No doubt about this either!!! They've been up there doing this shit MUCH LONGER than most people realize! So then I went back into the 1950's... and the CT's were still there. And then into the 1940's as well... and guess what?!!! The earliest COLOR PHOTO of a chemtrail, along with a cluster of chemclouds that I have found, was in a "Morning Sun" book at a model railroad flea market. The location was in Illinois, I believe, and the date was 1941!!! And I believe that they go back even further than this. Color photos are the best for sky renditions, but sometimes, in old B&W photos, they show up quite nicely. I won't go into this here, because this is a whole new aspect of this thing... but I will say this... consider the fact that today, in 2006, "they" possess technology that they aren't sharing with us that is SO ADVANCED, that it would seem like science fiction to most of us... yet YOU and I know for a fact that they DO have this super advanced technology NOW, in 2006. So here's my question... wouldn't it only make sense, knowing what we know know about "them", that they would have hidden, advanced technology that they weren't sharing with the public... say back in 1901, 1899, or even further back? I've seen some very old B&W photos that strongly suggest this! And THIS brings up MANY, MANY disturbing, yet fascinating and totally mind boggling questions... and I think that most of you know the direction that I'm going here... all the more proof that things are NOT as they appear... If anyone is interested in pursueing this much neglected aspect of the chemtrails... start your research today. If you truely persist as I have with this... I guarantee that you will make some truely mind boggling discoveries!!! |
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Post by chickenlittle on May 15, 2006 23:53:29 GMT -5
I always watch the old movie channel movies and before reading this I had found myself watching the skies in some of these movies,I do see some skies that are very disturbing,One was an old western so there was lots of sky to see in desert filming and I mean I can tell when it is real or a set and I have to say that I have seen as you say,some disturbing pictures from the 60's amd even before.
You know this makes me think about the leaonardo Di Vinci paintings that show the space ship in the upper corner above the Madonna and child.These are the sorts of things that really make me want to KNOW more.
chicky
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Post by DannyRock on May 19, 2006 21:36:06 GMT -5
Dan, absolutely not. I am totally convinced of this. A number of my old 35 mm kodachrome slides prove this. On two days, back in April of 1965, I took a series of shots in northern Westchester County of a massive spraying operation. It's strange that I really don't remember seeing anything that looked like a chemtrail until I went on a road trip with my mother some years back... maybe the mid 80's up to Brewster NY. I thought it was kind of strange for a jet to leave such a big trail. I don't think that it was until 1999 or 2000 that we started getting hammered here. |
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Post by chickenlittle on May 22, 2006 23:21:40 GMT -5
Me either Dannyrock,I really began seeing these about 4 or so yrs ago,now.I always say that I remember our skies as a kid and teen and this is really messed up compared to the old days.So it does SEEM to be new but maybe like Bigjoe is saying they were there and all the info about how our government is screwing us just wasn't there to make us really believe that they WOULD do this,but of course we all know better now.
But I do agree I amremembering them (Chemmies) as a kid and I just can't.I know that I am supposed to be one of us who luckily do notice what is happening,I believe that we are special in some small way.The reason I say this is because I truly longed for (about 6 yrs ago) while working everyday to be able to just go and lay in a field and watch the clouds as I did when I was younger,and it was an overwhelming feeling that I was being told somehow to go and see really look and this is when I began to take more notice of the skies and when my heart began to break that I can never lay and watch the beautiful natural clouds EVER again.Now I know that they are just not real and this really b reaks my heart.I think this is why I like to watch the old films when they showed big portions of the sky and the clouds and it really is evident how much more blue it was for one thing.I can actually show my daughter every so often when there are real puffy cotton ball clouds in the sky and she is 10 and proudly I know that she can tell the difference,I am glad she is sooooooo aware.
chicky
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Post by BigJoe on May 23, 2006 12:00:02 GMT -5
I think that there are two reasons for this. The first one is that, back before the 1990's and 1980's, which was when the spraying really went BIG TIME, back before these decades, there simply wasn't as much spraying, or very likely, as many different projects going on up there, and the photos that I have from those previous years suggest this. But even so, these photos also very strongly indicate that "they" were attempting to conceal, as best as they could, all of this clandistine activity from the pubic as much as possible. I have a set of slides taken in May of 1964, between the Bear Mountain Bridge, and Cold Spring, N.Y., up in the upper Hudson Valley, of a massive yellow/brown chem overcast that appears, from the set of slides, to be approaching from the South West. Ahead of this chemical blanket are numerous short spurts of chemtrails that seem to start behind clouds, and end behind clouds as well. So even back then, according to these slides, they had the old "on-off" switch, and were using it big time!
The other reason I believe is that people simply weren't as aware, or as awake, as they are today, and that they would, or could NEVER believe that their government would do something as evil and horrendous as spray them with chemicals like they were nothing more than insects, and also, they weren't able to communicate about ANY of this, as we are now doing, and this is all due to the internet. And isn't it interesting that our government, especially the Pentagon, is now furiously working as hard as they can, on ways that will restrict our access to the internet, and our access to, and the sharing of, ALL of this "forbidden" information. The internet is playing a major role in bringing many people out of their long slumbers, and this applies BIG TIME as far as the chemtrails are concerned!
Another massive chem blitz that I unknowingly photographed was also up at Brewster, NY, back on April 24, 1965. As I mentioned in a previous posting, I always had fondly recalled this as a lazy, "hazy" warm April day. (Back then, I NEVER would have believed in a million years... exactly WHAT was creating that haze, and WHY, in that 1965 sky. Maybe it's better that I didn't know!) Anyway, we spent the entire day up at the old roundhouse (it was torn down the following year), and took several rolls of film of the old New York Central Alco RS-3 diesel locomotives that layed over up there during the weekends. My friend worked for the Central as a "hostler" (somebody who moves diesel locomotives around the shop areas), as well as a mechanic, while he attended NYU down in New York City at night studying mechanical engineering and thermodynamics... I'll NEVER figure out HOW he did all of that!!! Anyway, we spent an enjoyable day moving the locomotives around the fueling and sanding areas as some came in, others leaving, and performing minor repairs on these diesels. It was a day to remember!!! I even remember my old friend firing up the old diesel fueled steam generator to show me how it worked. This "steam generator" was nothing more than a compact boiler, or steam generating furnice, located in the short hood of the locomotive, for heating the passenger cars with steam. Unfortunately, the dang thing wouldn't shut off... there was something wrong with it, and we spent a tense 20 minutes or so fiddling around with the controls, while wondering if the locomotive was going to explode! Fortunately, we finally got the "fuel shut-off valve" function, thus saving the locomotive, and probably my friend's job as well!!! Today, all passenger cars are heated by electricity, which is provided by a "host" generator powered by the main diesel engine "prime mover", and NOT steam heat, as in the "old days". This is much cleaner, and as you can see... obviously a LOT SAFER way of heating passenger trains!!!
Anyway, I'm digressing from the main subject here; CHEMTRAILS!!! While all this was happening on the ground, the entire region was under a massive high altitude aerosol blitz! The photos show large, freshly laid trails as well as other, older trails that are starting to come together and form that lazy "hazy" April day of 41 years ago. I had unknowingly recorded, on film, a sky that was gradually being totally chemmed over, and this all happened back in 1965. Everytime that I look at this set of photos, as well as some others that I have from this basic era in time, I'm completly astounded!
I'm hoping that I'll be able to post them sometime in the future. I have a digital camera that now takes slides on a one to one format, but I still don't have the proper back-lighting equipment yet.
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Post by chickenlittle on May 24, 2006 7:09:25 GMT -5
Yes it is quite interesting and i agree that the internet has definately helped put the fire under the kettle on this subject.But thank goodness for that.
chicky
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Post by BigJoe on May 24, 2006 8:23:48 GMT -5
Chicky, if you can get ahold of some of the books or mags I suggested in one of my above postings, I don't think that you will be disappointed. And if you pursue this as I have, you will begin to see that the scope of this, in "time" especially, is so much larger than you would ever have suspected... bringing up SO MANY new issues, discoveries and EVER MORE questions. This thing, I'm convinced, goes way, WAY back! And as like today in 2006, were they hiding technology from the public, say 100 or more years ago, that was so much more advanced than the average citizen of 1906..., or even earlier, for that matter..., would EVER have suspected or thought possible? If they're lying to us today about their hidden technology, and as all of the members on this website know that they are... why then wouldn't they have lied to the citizens of "way back then" as well? They lie about virtually EVERYTHING, including, as we are all now beginning to learn, the very HISTORY that was shoved down our throats, from virtually day one! Was it George Orwell who said, "If you control history, you control the present".
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Post by socrates on Dec 8, 2006 16:34:48 GMT -5
I showed up I guess a bit after this thread was posted. I can see why Johnny Spray likes this one. It kind of reads like an Ed Smell post if there were no mention of these "chemtrail blitzes". I'm not buying any of this thread. What it looks like is sulfur pollution, as HippieDude has asked, "Isn't this shit called acid rain?"
I think that there was probably some atmospheric testing going on in the past, but imho this is the kind of thread that might qualify for the tinfoil/ entertainment only section.
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Post by altitudelou on Dec 8, 2006 18:29:14 GMT -5
Hi Big Joe,
Good to see you still get out and about old man. (LOL)
You know my take on the Chem photos pre 1990's, for those who don't know about our coverage of this topic back at CTC, I'm of the opinion that they probably did do some chem spraying back before the late 90's because they sure as hell did not just get up one morning and say, oh, this would be a good time to start spraying, I'm sure that there was plenty of R&D leading up to the beginning of what most of us see as the Chemtrail's "starting point", 1996 - 1997 when they first became quite obvious.
Prior to those years I believe that the spraying that they may have done was not done in sufficient quantity to arouse public suspicion of what was going on.
I have to say that like Danny and Chicky, I grew up in a part of the country and never saw anything remotely like what we started seeing in the late 90's, I recall as a kid that even seeing a jet pass over was a big deal, if there had been anything in the sky back then like we see now, my father would have blown a gasket over it big time, I believe it was sometime in the early 60's that we started seeing a few more normal contrail's up this way or maybe it was just that I was paying more attention at the time to what was flying around, still, I do not recall seeing any of these so called persistent contrail's back then, the persistent contrail "excuse" is definitely a late 1990's phenomenon, ongoing.
The "Dirty Harry" / Clint Eastwood movies that where filmed in the 80's in San Francisco had plenty of sky background scenes in them and there is not a trace of a Chemtrail's in any of them that I;m aware of and I have seen those movies a hundred time each at least, we know that the bay area gets pounded with Chemtrail's so if they where spraying back in the 80's in the bay area it's likely that some of it would have made it into those films, not that this is proof that there wasn't spraying going on back then, it might be that the spraying was not done on the days of filming, who knows for sure, I don't.
I don't know if it's all that important at this stage of the game, I am more concerned in proving that the Chemtrail Spraying is going on at present than finding proof that it existed back in the 40's, 50's, 60's and on, now is what I am concentrating on and trying to present verifiable proof that the "persistent contrail's" that we are seeing being made in record numbers are in direct conflict to the conditions that allow there formation, in other words, there not persistent contrail's at all but something altogether different, proving this is the thing that is important because it moves Chemtrail's from a conspiracy theory into the realm of credible fact.
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Post by Swamp Gas on Dec 8, 2006 22:16:34 GMT -5
Yeah, I agree with you Lou. All of the technologies used today (microwave weapons, drugs for mind control, Earth-made UFOs as Psy-Ops, CIA media control, aerosol spraying, etc) were started in the 40s and 50s. It could be part of the 1000 Year Reich Hitler talked about. Much of the technology came from the Nazis in fact.
So there were definitely spraying operations 50 years ago, but only as experimental. Do you remember in the movie Woodstock, when the guy said that there were planes and helicopters spraying something all over the sky on the Friday, and then it rained like cats and dogs? We watched it, and sure did. Cloud seeding was started in the 40s, so weather control and Geo-Engineering is at least 60 years old.
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Post by altitudelou on Dec 9, 2006 18:18:40 GMT -5
Man, Deja-Vu, Your mention of how it rained at Woodstock really took me back, I was on the U.S.S. Laffey DD-724, a 22 year old Navy Destroyer at the time and heading for Panama and South America but I remember watching the news abroad ship about Woodstock because I had wanted very badly to go but we shipped out for the Equator cruse two days before Woodstock, I was pissed.
I recall the reporting on the second day and the announcer telling of how the unexpected heavy rains did not dampen the "Pagan Like" goings on of the thousands of "Hippies" who where there frolicking in the deep mud and something about "Pot smoking / Satanic Bullshit", the news back then was pretty much all like Fox News is today, very Right, bias and jaded, opposed to anything outside of the imaginary lines that allegedly govern society, then and now, Jesus, talk about a flashback, " I'm freaking out man." ( LOL )
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Post by BigJoe on Dec 9, 2006 19:51:17 GMT -5
Ever wonder about polio, chicken pox, measles, the mumps, and all those other insidious 1950's childhood diseases, and all the resulting vaccination programs that followed, that some of us old timers here had to endure back in the 1950's?? Like I said, the spraying goes way, WAY back, and NOT just on an experimental basis, either. Check out my posting on the previous page, and get some of the books that I mentioned, including these... www.morningsunbooks.com/these are the BEST for spotting chemtrails & aerosol activity back in the 40's, 50's and 60's; excellent 35 mm Kodachrome color images, some taken as far back as 60 years ago, and reproduced here in these books, by state of the art, high tech computer printing technology. The railroad fans who took these color slides all those many years ago had absolutely no idea that they were also documenting the aerosol spraying programs of yesteryear for us. Yes, it wasn't quite as blatant as it is today, not by a long shot, but yes, they were still spraying us on a regular basis back then. Chemtrails and chemmed over skies in the late 1940's and all through the 1950's were NOT an uncommon sight. Get ahold of some of these books!!! Also, another good resource is the photography of ANSEL ADAMS... superb quality outdoor photography which goes back to the 1930's. Most of his "aerosol" photos that I've found are in books, but there are a few of his photos on the web as well. Your local library would be the BEST source for this, and ANY library worth it's salt, IMHO, should have a LOT of his books on their shelves. Yes, they are all in B/W, but the technical quality of his images is truly excellent and the skies are NOT washed out or overexposed! He took MANY photographs over the years, but if you don't mind investing some time into this, I guarantee that you WILL uncover a few gems in his portfolio that may... just MAY, challenge your belief systems a little bit more! The technology they now possess is so much further advanced than most of us could ever imagine! Could this have been true 100 or more years ago? Linear time is only an illusion, an hallucination that they have placed in our brains. Once you begin to see through this illusion, the gateway to SO MANY possibilities begins to open up... such as, for example..., just how FAR BACK does the spraying program REALLY go, and just how long have they REALLY been doing this shit to us? Good high QUALITY photographic color images can only take us back perhaps 60 years at the most, and good quality B&W images, containing good views of the skies that are not washed out or overexposed... these photos are few and far between, but if you look hard enough, you WILL find them. Over the past five years, I HAVE, in books, uncovered a few gems, with dates on them, that DO set the mind to wondering! The past is what we BELIEVE it to be, and for most of us, what we believe, is what we HAVE BEEN TOLD, and it is now becoming very apparent that MUCH of what we have, and are still, being told about the past is now proving to be "somewhat" untrue. These photos don't lie.  |
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Post by Swamp Gas on Dec 10, 2006 1:15:57 GMT -5
bigjoe, I have to agree with you on this. Every time a "project" starts, it usually actually started at least 10 years before. Population control is a touchy subject, but I think that vaccines, food additives, and hormone treatment more than enough kills people. Spraying people wouldn't make as much sense to control the population, but weather control, and Geo-Engineering does.
Look at digital recording. People think that the iPod, and computer based recording is new.
In 1937, the Brit Alec Reeves files the first patent describing Pulse-code modulation.
In 1943, Bell Telephone Laboratories developed the first digital scrambled speech transmission system, SIGSALY.
In 1957, Max Mathews of Bell developed the process to digitally record sound via computer.
In 1967, the first digital tape recorder was invented. A 12-bit 30KHz stereo device using a compander (similar to DBX Noise Reduction) to extend the dynamic range.
In the 1970s, Thomas Stockham makes the first digital audio recordings using standard computer equipment, as well as developing a digital audio recorder of his own design, the first of its kind to be offered commercially (through Stockham's Soundstream company).
In 1979, the first digital Compact Disc prototype was created as a compromise between sound quality and size of the medium.
The first digital compact discs marketed in 1982.
Of course, this is enlightening, evolved technology. But as you asked, how far back did spraying start. We sometimes mark 1998-1999 as the beginning, just like people thought that the Fairlight CMI in 1979 was the first Digital Recorder. As we can see, it was 40+ years before that.
The question then is...What was longer Contrails (15 minutes or more), and what was spraying elements into the atmoshere? If the history of Global Warming knowledge first started appearing in the late 70s, then I would postulate that some people were already thinking about this 10 years earlier. When did people start thinking about Nuclear Tests in Nevada blowing out the ozone hole, and disrupting the Van Allen Belt? Probably in the 1950s.
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Post by socrates on Dec 10, 2006 12:25:51 GMT -5
I'd like to thank Big Joe for not going after me. I actually just made a concession on Swamp's new thread on aerosol mitigation. I didn't like the way the trolls were framing this thread. I appreciate the clarification that has gone on here. posted by Lou: "Man, Deja-Vu, Your mention of how it rained at Woodstock really took me back, I was on the U.S.S. Laffey DD-724, a 22 year old Navy Destroyer at the time and heading for Panama and South America but I remember watching the news abroad ship about Woodstock because I had wanted very badly to go but we shipped out for the Equator cruse two days before Woodstock, I was pissed." The Navy seems to have the most honest people as pertaining to the whole of the armed forces. As for Woodstock, I was too young to be there but have enjoyed watching a lot of it on video.   |
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Post by Swamp Gas on Dec 10, 2006 13:39:02 GMT -5
The Navy seems to have the most honest people as pertaining to the whole of the armed forces. As for Woodstock, I was too young to be there but have enjoyed watching a lot of it on video. Well, Mech is former Navy, and he would agree about honesty in the armed forces. Woodstock....My health condition prevented me from going. So, a few of my younger friends and I celebrated the entire weekend as if we were there. Listening to Hendrix, Moody Blues, CSN&Y, Quicksilver Messenger Service, Grateful Dead, Ultimate Spinach, Lothar and The Hand People, The Band, Arthur Brown, The Aerovons, The Beatles, Pink Floyd, Richie Havens, Blues Project, Clearlight, Cream, The Doors, Iron Butterfly, Jefferson Airplane, Sprit, Steppenwolf, Traffic, Vanilla Fudge, White Noise, and others I will have to think more about. A weekend of partying and reflecting. Purple Microdot...LOL!!!!!!  |
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Post by BigJoe on Dec 10, 2006 14:12:12 GMT -5
I'd like to thank Big Joe for not going after me. I actually just made a concession on Swamp's new thread on aerosol mitigation. I didn't like the way the trolls were framing this thread. I appreciate the clarification that has gone on here. Hey Socrates... I agree with most of the things that you say here, and just because we disagree on a few minor points doesn't mean that we're on the opposite ends of the spectrum. I consider you a friend; a kindred spirit working for the forces of justice and good, and another good person who is trying to save our fragile little planet from these psychopaths. Keep uphe good work!!!  |
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Post by socrates on Dec 10, 2006 14:27:43 GMT -5
Thanks Joe, you're a good guy. When us different types of people start joining forces, this is where the greedy buggers really get nervous, they are quite enamored with their petty divide and conquer strategies.
Swampgas has written about this, he has said it best, when he has talked of the merit of all of us Libertarians, hippies, veterans, people of all ethnicities and races, etc. being unified. I have had some really good conversations with people of completely contrasting politics and personality. When we get back to this kind of socializing in America, then we might really have a chance at experiencing peace and justice as the norm.
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Post by BigJoe on Dec 10, 2006 14:45:13 GMT -5
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I used to spend a lot of time outside as a kid in the 70's and I don't remember ever seeing anything like those trails in the sky... 
