Scott Stevens "Weather Wars" site hacked BIG TIME

[BigJoe]

Looks like Scott Stevens' "Weather Wars" site has been hacked, big time, by the dark side...

www.weatherwars.info/index.php

[Swamp Gas]

But...But...But...."chemmies" are insane.

If we Aerosol Mitigation watchers are so nuts, why do they keep trying to disrupt and hack?

They don't do this to ghost and UFO sites


www.weatherwars.info/chemtrails.htm

[altitudelou]

Yes, why put so much time and effort into hacking the Chem sites, it's pretty obvious that they want to disrupt the flow of information to the public and cause as much caos as they can.

The term Hackers gives the impression of collage age nerds trying to crack a site just for kicks, I'd bet the farm the A-Holes behind the weatherwars hack put on suits and go to work in a big building in the state of Maryland, maybe Virginia. Any takers on that bet?

With regard to that " February 2005 North Carolina" photo in Scott Stevens weatherwars site, there are actually so called scientist / scientoids and debunkers that have called this sort of thing "A Holding Pattern".

www.weatherwars.info/chemtrails.htm ( scroll down to "February 2005 North Carolina"

Holding pattern, Ha, that's a load !

Give me a break, a two year old knows better than to believe that kind of crap.

[BigJoe]

admin said:

why do they keep trying to disrupt and hack? They don't do this to ghost and UFO sites
www.weatherwars.info/chemtrails.htm

They keep trying to disrupt us because they know that we ARE RIGHT, and that the chemtrails are real. And if the people find out about all of these lies of theirs, they will be in real trouble, and very likely won't have anybody to control anymore. They may even wind up in prison!

[socrates]

The question is who are "they". Was it an alphabet agency hit or was it some form of cyber graffiti?

I'm just messing around googling. If you plug in the names from there, you get plenty of hits. How is one to know whether its a network of cyber pirates or whether it's alphabet soup posing as kids carjacking the internet for joyrides. I don't understand.

[BigJoe]

Knowing how paranoid "they" are about this whole sordid affair of theirs, my guess is that those responsible for this are being paid by our hard earned tax dollars. "They" are EVERYWHERE on the web, constantly looking at, and attempting to violate our websites... and it's my guess that no expenses are being spared to try and stifle this movement... no matter how much it cost them, obviously at the taxpayers expense. And they have a LOT to loose once this all gets out!

[socrates]

You know how it's getting tougher to remember the skies. It's getting tougher to have real dialogue in my opinion. I've been a lefty since I was 18, never had trouble with conservatives or pretty much vice versa. Now you have manufactured division with fakes. It's called astroturfing. I used to post at HuffingtonPost. At the beginning it was a great ride with lots of hope. It went beyond left or right towards truth. It was only a matter of time before Washington would explode with indictments and impeachments. But then only Libby got indicted by the fake Fitzmas, and HuffPost just got slammed with fake posts. Even HuffPo themselves were caught making up bogus dialogues. There's something very shady about the difference between what you can read on the internet and what we see on television and in newspapers. And I'm not talking about conspiracy theories either. I'm talking cold stone facts. They are trying to numb us. I guess we are in limbo until Tuesday, then we maybe can reevaluate.

[socrates]

Because we are able to search out truths, connect dots, this is where "they" are scared. Their chief weapon is to heighten the noise to signal ratio.

[Swamp Gas]

altitudelou said:

The term Hackers gives the impression of collage age nerds trying to crack a site just for kicks, I'd bet the farm the A-Holes behind the weatherwars hack put on suits and go to work in a big building in the state of Maryland, maybe Virginia. Any takers on that bet?

I wouldn't bet against that. You all remember the hack on CTC a few years ago. Thermit said it was a hole in security because he was not up to date. I think someone grabbed his cookie, simple as that. These are professionals because frankly, college kids are smarter than government goons about what is going on in the world. The alphabet orgs DO NOT want the public to think the following subjects:

1) Aerosol Mitigation is real

2) The Ozone Layer is blown out bigger than we are being told

3) Global Warming is threatening to life on earth

4) Vitamins, Minerals, Herbs, Vegetarian diet, and nootropic drugs can extend our lives and increase intelligence

5) The Republicans and Fundamentalists have many times more child molesters than we are being told

6) UFOs are mostly craft created right here on the earth by humans

7) HAARP is not just used for research of the upper atmosphere

8) The tsunami was caused by nuclear detonations underwater

9) The entire fiat based US Dollar is about to collapse, being propped up by a war economy now

10) Space Migration is out of the public's eye

I was the one who found the hacker right in the middle of deleting all the boards and posts using Thermit's account. Immediately I banned Thermit, and reset the site. That knocked him out, but 10% of the site was lost. In fact, all of the Katrina and Tsunami posts were the target. Luckily, I had made a backup of the entire site a week before, but that week nothing was saved. Thermit did a backup about two months before that. Not a very good site owner, as he has too many other sites to maintain. The oddball thing was the hacker was traced through two proxies, one in Australia, which in turn traced to Germany. I contacted the site in Germany about possible criminal investigation, and there ZERO response.

Right after that Thermit decides to loosen moderating and administration. Very baffling. Now starman is a mod on one or two threads, and CTC is a virtual crackpot site. Was Thermit leaned on? Some of the Smell/Jason/Whitemajikman/greenman/mmmbarium/guntoter people (person) were trying it on this site, but I'm not Thermit. Right now, I am starting to do coding in asp.net, ado.net, C#, and SQL. As soon as I get more proficient, I will move this site over to a new place, but with more capabilities.

[socrates]

It doesn't take a rocket science degree to see that there is a concerted effort to pour tinfoil and confusion into the internet. Thus if anything emerges on the net, there will be widespread doubts on its credibility as a source. Also, there does seem to be manipulation going on with search engines.

So when someone new to chemtrails goes to the internet looking for answers, they are probably going to wind up at CTC. Now while CTC has never been perfect, it has been able to promote chemtrail awareness with past threads. As real posters continued to hack into the truth, or at least start presenting realistic insights into the atmosphere manipulation programs, it was starting to fall out of "their" control to spin.

I think Thermit is probably legit, but he just didn't have the fortitude or time to firewall against the tinfoil and debunking invasion. Maybe subconsciously he thought that with the hacking, it was time to back off of confrontation with the deceptive goonery, noise, obfuscation, etc..

Maybe subconsciously he figured he didn't need the headaches. So he didn't support the moderators who then left.

I mean look at this Kathasung poster who writes some of the craziest stuff I have ever seen and drops that crap off at Carnicom, CTC, and DBS. That cannot be some individual writing all of that. Same with Julian Penrod and many others.

I think alphabet soups are behind 99% of all the nonsense on the internet. It's like with those British guys found in Iraq with weapons and dressed up as radical fundamentalists. They do the same with everything else on the internet. They netvocate and astroturf. As for chemtrails, they have their fakes show up as chemtrail believers and then drop their National Enquirer nonsense. They are trying to make it seem that 96% of chemtrail believers are loony. They have made it so only a few normal people remain at the big chemtrail websites. When I was at CTC I found myself being bogged down posting my critiques of the tinfoil nonsense, rather than being involved in interesting dialogue as one can find here at Gastro.

I don't think they mind us as long as we are known by only the few. As long as it appears that 96% of chemtrail believers are nuts, they don't mind us, thinking that we are simply in the free speech cage away from the masses.

I think the mmmmbarium, Greenman infiltrations were token efforts at disrupting this forum. If Gastro and Megasprayer actually take off and someday compete with the big boards for the hearts and souls of the chemtrail aware, then I believe such infiltration efforts would be greatly increased.

They may have the power of fake numbers, yet we the people have the real power of numbers. The more society becomes aware of the disinfo techniques, the more likely the internet will become a force for positive social change.

Thus, we see them holding on to their plan of soiling the internet as tinfoil. Thus, we see them trying to destroy internet freedom by passing laws by which only the rich will have fast service or even access to everything on the internet. Sure, they created the internet and sure they are trying to control us with matrix like precision. Unfortunately for them, there are just too many of us not afraid to confront truth. It is in our gut to be free. What's New Hampshire's motto? Live free or die? I may not be a redneck with a pickup truck and guns. I may live in the only state that voted for McGovern back in 1972. Yet, I will agree with those from the state above me. I would rather fight for truth and justice, true freedom, than fall into some ignorance is bliss pattern.

Let's face it. We Americans may look bad to the rest of the world right now. However, when we are informed with truth, we do the right thing. Tuesday is a big day for we the people. We're either going to wake up wednesday with a smile filled with hope, or else watch out for the biggest scandal ever to erupt in this nation. France and the US are where the wars for democracy took place. If we can't have fair elections here, then everything the US ever says or does must not be believed. CNN and MSNBC have drawn the line. I'm not saying all is right now with those media outlets. I simply see Dobbs and Olbermann covering the election fraud. I see CNN doing its Broken Govt. series. I even see righties like Tucker Carlson, Scarborough, and Blitzer coming around. I see history in the making, and it is arriving Nov. 7th, 2006. Peace.

[Swamp Gas]

All in all, I agree Soc. I have said this before, there are people on the Right that like to say they are "beyond left and right", but that is the same as saying, "I'm neither gay or heterosexual". Everyone leans a certain way, and there is nothing that is 100% one way or the other. personally, Thetaloops and I and our families have always been Democrats, going back to the early 1900s. Theta's GreatGrandad was arrested for Union organizing in the 1930s, and he was tagged a "Communist. Her mom totally thinks Bush is a criminal, and even 9/11 could be an inside job. My Mom was a Democrat Councilwoman for years. Her parents tavern owners in Newark that had all kinds of Union and laborers as the clientele. My Dad threw his shoe at the TV back in the early 50s when McCarthy came on. In the late 50s and early 60s, Theta and I considered ourselves "beatniks" even though we were still in grade school. In the 60s, I was arrested for being a "radical" at a demonstration (later overturned). We were and still hippies, environmentalists, gay and woman's rights activists, animal rights activists, chemtrail activists, New Wavers, Cyberpunks, Ravers, and generally stand for every humanistic idea that comes our way. Democrats TRADITIONALLY have been for that, but recently, their well has been poisoned (Lieberman, Dean, Hillary, etc), and it gives Libertarians the fuel they need to say all parties are corrupt. (I know a Libertarian who is totally corrupt as a person, and Ron Paul, a Republican, is honest). We'll see if this election changes anything or not. Some say it is the most important election in our 230 year history as a country.

As far as "tinfoil hat" posts, that term is very strange. They used to say that about people in the 60s and 70s that were saying MK-ULTRA was a CIA front for mind control. Turns out we were correct. Tesla was considered "tinfoil hat"I personally like to use the term "theoretical". Of course, UFOs, Aliens, Orbs, and such, as far as Aerosols go, is more theoretical, but if someone comes to this board looking for answers, and has been studying UFOs and such, then I do not want to scare them away. One can simply point out more factual data like we like to do, and they can learn. The hardcore DARPA DUDES, are the ones who fill people with far-fetched theories, and can deter serious investigators away from the issue. So I think that they know we are on to them, and I would classify the Aerosol Mitigation investigators, CIA investigators, etc into 3 categories:

1) Serious Hard Core Data - You will not find DARPA here, unless they are "trying to be friends"

2) Theoretical - As stated, UFOs, Orbs, Aliens, etc. - This class is well meaning people that have not yet differentiated between theory and hard science

3) DARPA/TIA/CIA/AIR FORCE theoretical - They hack sites or put up so much nonsense that serious investigators and UFO people are both scared off

[socrates]

Thanks for the astute analysis Swampgas. I think the reason "they" flood the internet with so much craziness is to brainwash people to never think outside of the box. Anything and everything that poses a threat to the status quo must be marginalized.

Peaceniks: Commies, don't shower, naive
Liberals: hypocrites, wafflers, soft on crime, baby killers
Conservatives: good for the economy, national defense, party of values
Those are the stereotypes Rove wanted to stick. Fortunately they haven't.

In fact, their guilt by tinfoil association strategy is falling apart. More people are realizing that ufo's seem to be completely military aircraft. Most people think JFK and 9/11 were perhaps done by corrupt govt. insiders. Most people think the elections were stolen.

Right now Dobbs is all over the election fraud, presenting a full hour called "Democracy at Risk". That Dobbs is putting on this show, that CNN is putting on Broken govt. specials every night, either project mockingbird is taking it up a notch, like George did talking about his place in the Hamptons, or we are at the eve of possibly the new new age.



One has to look back to Katrina to see where the major shift has occurred. Ever since, things have reversed. Peaceniks and liberals are strong on defense and smell nice. The Repukes are putting nuke recipes on the internet and are in cahoots with perverts and war profiteering.

Just remember, No matter how bad things get for the peaceniks, no one liked Gordon Gekko or the Scrooge, but everyone digged Maynard Krebbs, John Lennon, and joan baez. It is time for the beautiful people to rise again, and I ain't talking about looks. Tuesday. Tuesday. Please. War is beyond stupid.

[et in Arcadia ego]

admin said:

You all remember the hack on CTC a few years ago. Thermit said it was a hole in security because he was not up to date. I think someone grabbed his cookie, simple as that.

That was the day I called you from the Birmingham suburbs; the day I Married my Wife.

Anyone care to tell me why a site Admin is DUMB ENOUGH to cookie the Keys to the Kingdom? Or make site back-ups(what was his last back up, six months?). No security updates, no addressing the issues I IMMEDIATELY pointed out when I assumed my role as Moderator seeing 'guests' brosing PM's and invisible sections of the forum, etc..

Stupidty is not a good enough excuse. Not even close..

Bad Guy, or Bought Guy....But someone who makes Profit-From-Conspiracy places himself automatically on my Shit List..

[socrates]

posted by Swampgas:

"As far as "tinfoil hat" posts, that term is very strange. They used to say that about people in the 60s and 70s that were saying MK-ULTRA was a CIA front for mind control. Turns out we were correct. Tesla was considered "tinfoil hat"I personally like to use the term "theoretical". Of course, UFOs, Aliens, Orbs, and such, as far as Aerosols go, is more theoretical, but if someone comes to this board looking for answers, and has been studying UFOs and such, then I do not want to scare them away. One can simply point out more factual data like we like to do, and they can learn. The hardcore DARPA DUDES, are the ones who fill people with far-fetched theories, and can deter serious investigators away from the issue."

I like to use the words tinfoil and chemtrails perhaps like African-Americans want ownership of the "N" word.
That recent RFK story backs that material also.

The cream rises to the top. All conspiracy theories of merit will eventually be accepted as truth.

No one mentions WHIG much, but weren't they a conspiracy to commit war crimes.
WHIG = White House Iraq Group

[socrates]

sickle666 said:

admin said:

You all remember the hack on CTC a few years ago. Thermit said it was a hole in security because he was not up to date. I think someone grabbed his cookie, simple as that.

That was the day I called you from the Birmingham suburbs; the day I Married my Wife.

Anyone care to tell me why a site Admin is DUMB ENOUGH to cookie the Keys to the Kingdom? Or make site back-ups(what was his last back up, six months?). No security updates, no addressing the issues I IMMEDIATELY pointed out when I assumed my role as Moderator seeing 'guests' brosing PM's and invisible sections of the forum, etc..

Stupidty is not a good enough excuse. Not even close..

Bad Guy, or Bought Guy....But someone who makes Profit-From-Conspiracy places himself automatically on my Shit List..

Is it too much of a fluke as to why certain sites became the big ones?
Steadman with his "contrail study", a believer in chemtrails who said that however most of what we see are contrails. Yeah, we know what contrails are. Thermit= Mr. Ambiguous. Tough friggin call. To let that site completely degenerate when you guys were willing to run it for free, .....

Is it because he wanted the highest number of web hits possible like a Huffington, going for lameass bickering, the lowest common denominator? Or is he a friggin agent provocateur.

I'm Never going back there now, even to read, you have convinced me Arcadia. I just am bitter how popular that place is for views.

[socrates]

I am not worried about people posting on aliens or anything as long as they don't touch the chemtrails, or else get filed in the sub board. Just my opinion. I like my chemtrail theories nice and respectable.

[et in Arcadia ego]

socrates said:

I like my chemtrail theories nice and respectable.

There's so much shit to filter out it leaves hardly any room for the real shit..

It's hard to get 'respectable' data from a source who was fired from not one, but TWO TV station jobs for NOT having a Meteorologist Degree..And ADMITTED to it at one point, in addition to being FIRED from his last job, not quitting to hit the AM Radio Wunder-Land(which as far as I know, never hapened just like I knew it wouldn't), but because he was using his work's email address to solicit donations from 'weather wars'.

He's a staunch Bearden supporter. That means he's either:

A - Dumber than a mutherfugger

B - In Bed with the Bad Guys

This was another pre-meltdown issue at CTC that I hit head on, and took ALOT of flak from everyone on..But I STILL stand by it, and so does his former Web Designer, Soulcore, who asked him some simple questions he refused to answer..

Cheers,
D

People on both sides of the fence called me a 'Hybrid-Chemmie/Debunker'. I have good friends I respect here that I don't agree with about everything, but the nature of this beast makes that unavoidable. Doesn't mean they're not still my buddies, tho..

I'm just simply not interested in extremely obvious bullshit is all, and Stevens has it leaking from every pore in his body..

[socrates]

Sincere debunking is a good thing. There has been too much emphasis placed on "debunkers" without a proper amount focused on chemtrail disinfo. Since debunkers are finished, it is the latter who need to be ferreted out.

We might have qualms about the educational system, but we still need good theses with sources that back our claims. Or else, we just need to provide good sources and let the reader decide without any proselytizing.

There has been a major brain fuck operation in effect on the chemtrail boards. It's only slowed down because of the neutering of CTC and Carnicom as boards promoting truthful investigations. Plus, "they" are still in limbo over the social and legal obstacles blocking their full implementation of frankenstein sciences.

[et in Arcadia ego]

socrates said:

There has been a major brain fuck operation in effect on the chemtrail boards. It's only slowed down because of the neutering of CTC and Carnicom as boards promoting truthful investigations. Plus, "they" are still in limbo over the social and legal obstacles blocking their full implementation of frankenstein sciences.

The boards were STARTED to be brainfucks from the begining to beg away as nonsense the observations of everyday credible witnesses(Like, umm..everyone?). Here's more of the indoctrination program for the Public:

www.rollingstone.com/news/story/12343892/can_dr_evil_save_the_world/2

These guys are operating straight outta Teller's Diary..

[et in Arcadia ego]

Socrates, I said yesterday I'd give you a breakdown. Here it is:

What we all call 'chemtrails' over our local areas are persistent contrails reactive to the negative supersaturation states of local climates. They're ugly and messy, but they're not what I call the REAL 'Chemtrails'..

The REAL mitigation program is taking place in the Pacific, and I believe has so for years:



This takes advantage of the Wind's natural trend to blow east due to the Earth's rotation.

And naturally, that trend delivers the material over America.

What material makes it to landfall people call 'webs', and I have videos of it taken by Soulcore in Texas and seen it in person for days on end for up to 8 months in a row(they recently started again). They usually are accompanied by pristinely clear days of clear sky, but are easily visible if you know to look for them.

They don't act like 'normal' webs at all. They have an abbreviated shelf-life(I estimate about a week from parallaxing with Soulcore's observations), dissipate, as in they don't ACCUMULATE(here in the East, anyways, but they blanket the west coast heavily)even if you see them fall ALL day long, blanket EVERYTHING(everyone I pointed them out to saw them, EVERYONE).

Here's one youtube upload(more are coming):

www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6uPf4ucEvo

Notice how it sticks to and glides from everything.

This is the crap an Army guy told me was ok for my kid to be around..

There isn't enough Spider silk in all the World to account for 60-80ft 'web-strands' falling to Earth ALL fucking day long for eight months..

[et in Arcadia ego]

I'm pretty sure I've never heard Scott even mention the webstrands, now that I think about it..He must be too wrapped up in concern over the Corn Futures Market that the Yakuza are imperilling..

[socrates]

OK, the video was a bit tough to see, but yes, I clearly see the web strands. I've seen a few of those here in Massachusetts, but never to the extent others have. So this Pacific Ocean theory makes sense, start up with higher altitudes in the pacific, go with the west to east air currents, have much of the stuff float across the sky, and fill in the gaps here and there at lower altitudes. It looks like Big Bunny is correct that there can be regional differences in the NATO operations.

And with Scott Stevens ignoring this, I think the webstrands are good evidence, imho.

[et in Arcadia ego]

This has been my MAIN belief now for well over a year and a half with hundreds(thousands?) of hours reading, researching, scanning GOES12 raw image data, etc.

It's going to take a mountain of inertia to convince me otherwise that something else is taking place.

btw - 'Ship Tracks' dwarf entire cities. We're talking about trails so fat, large, and long that they're not even recognizeable to the human eye..Only a satallite can resolve it's magnatide..

[socrates]

Yeah, but Reymolds sez it's a hoax, it's just natural water vapour.

NORAD investigates vapor trail reports
Thursday, November 28, 2002 Posted: 5:52 PM EST

COLORADO SPRINGS, Colorado (CNN) -- Fighter jets scrambled in an unsuccessful attempt to investigate a contrail of unknown origin first seen over the Caribbean and later reported over the midwestern United States, the Department of Defense said Thursday.

The North American Aerospace Defense Command scrambled the jets soon after unverified reports were received around 4 p.m. Wednesday that the contrail, seen near the Turks and Caicos Islands, was headed northwest toward the United States, said Lt. Cmdr. Curtis Jenkins, a spokesman for the Colorado Springs-based group.

A contrail is a white trail of condensed water vapor that sometimes forms in the wake of an aircraft.

The jets were scrambled from more than one base and more than one location, he said, though he did not know how many jets or from how many locations.

Commercial airline pilots later reported the contrail over Florida and then over Indiana, after which no more sightings were reported, he said.

The jets attempted to intercept and identify the source of the contrail, but no visual or confirmed radar contact was made, he added.

"I don't know that anybody was predisposed to think it might be some thing or the other," he said. "We don't even know that it was a thing. It was just simply reports of contrails. We don't even know that it was the same one. We had reports from different places and NORAD did its job and tried to find out."

NORAD is coordinating with the Federal Aviation Administration and is continuing to investigate the reports, he added.

[et in Arcadia ego]

socrates said:

Yeah, but Reymolds sez it's a hoax, it's just natural water vapour.

Oh.

Well that settles that then.

Cheers!