Spraying gets into main stream media.

[altitudelou]

The spraying of those persistent contrails over southern California seems to be making it into the main stream media unlike other parts of the country that see this same kind of abnormal, heavy concentrations of contrail activity.

Paul Moyer of KNBC4.TV in Los Angeles is running a piece titled "Toxic Sky" which ask all of the questions that the public has been asking for several years now about the obviously abnormal trails.

Now perhaps other main stream media outlets will start picking up on the subject.

www.nbc4.tv/news/9155725/detail.html

[DannyRock]

Now perhaps other main stream media outlets will start picking up on the subject.

Hopefully they will but we're only seeing one half of the story so it could turn into a hit piece really quickly depending what "experts" they get to crawl out from under their rocks...

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Most users ever online was 8174 on Mon May 22, 2006 8:49 pm at CTC. Paul Moyers story,the LA protest,and a direct link to CTC from the jeff rense show,all darn good contributors.

[altitudelou]

From what I heard recently, Rosalind Peterson is responsible for getting Paul Moyer of TV 4 Los Angles to do this "Toxic Sky" investigative report.

Paul Moyer has a good reputation for doing honest reports on subjects that are to hot for others to touch, he also has a reputation for embarrassing the do nothing politicians in the process so I don't expect this to be a debunking kind of a report.

"Toxic Sky?" will air 11 p.m. Tuesday, May 23rd. - Look for the Web report on NBC4.tv on Wednesday at 9 a.m if you can not catch the broadcast.

[chickenlittle]

You know I am kind of surprised that they act like it is one community.All they have to do is look up and see the same thing everywhere you think that this would be or should be brought up during this broadcast.
chicky

[BigJoe]

They can't keep lying, hiding behind, and suppresing this huge issue forever. More and more people are looking up at the sky... and wondering WTF is going on up there. Sometimes I'd love to know how many phone calls our local TV weather personalities must be getting now from curious and frightened people wanting answers, and getting nothing but lies and pablum in response..., especially during days of very heavy spraying when our sky is being turned into a chemical cesspool. I've noticed lately that during days such as these, these weather personalities always appear somewhat tired and drained, looking somewhat guilty like someone who has just told a lie, and all the smiles and laughing all appears forced. But that's what lying does to you, especially on a constant and continual basis... it just isn't good for the health... in EVERY respect!

Four years ago, when I did a Google search on "Chemtrails", there were only 47,000 pages that came up on this. A Google search today brings up 537,000!
www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=chemtrails&btnG=Google

Cracks and leaks are appearing ALL OVER the dam, and it's only a matter of time before it finally breaks! The longer they continue to hold this whole thing back, the bigger the coming flood will eventually be!

Just the other day a neighbor of mine, who is "aware", told me that a woman friend of his was asking him if he had noticed something unusual about the sky lately. She told him that her daugher, who lives in California, had mentioned to her just the other day that the government was spraying chemicals on them from high altitudes. Now she too is starting to look at the sky, and wonder what's going on.

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They can't keep lying, hiding behind, and suppresing this huge issue forever.

That's a fact BigJoe.The last two months while working with some grade school children two 6th grade boys pointed at some chemtrails and asked, "what was with that".The one boy said it wasn't normal for a plane to leave a "contrail/chemtrail",that goes from horizon to horizon.There is hope.

[chickenlittle]

Yes Bigjoe,our news weather person,(Increase1776 you probably get the nwcn in hood river???)anyways sometimes the guy says things like"I guess,it could be that,maybe or there may be a chance all we can do is hope"I mean what the hell kind of weather report is that?With all the new fangled Doppler radar you think these weather people would know that it is very suspicious when hey can't say for sure.
I could do the weather,ya know.There is one gal that I have stuck up for before because at LEAST she says things like:Filtered sun,now mind you these are usually on days when it has been clear with blue skies and she kind of gets this look like,yah! I know funky huh?Damn right funky, filtered through what?I KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT!
Just an oddity: I wanted to add that I have a gut felling of unease one of those conspiracy theory things,but today in our city all the main lines of sewer were under stress and supposedly leaking right down there by the inlet oceans edge,I don't know it makes me paranoid! what are they really doing down there placing explosives out in the strait to cause an earthquake or tsunami??Perhaps old Pat Robber-son knew someone with a leak himself.And I don't mean God.
YES I AM PARANOID!!!
I dont trust anything anymore,except for you guys,of course!!!
chicky

[Jeanie]

Too bad we reached a point where we have to be supicious of any and every report and program that is delivered by public media. Yikes

[altitudelou]

As posted at CTC,

www.chemtrailcentral.com/forum/msg98700.html#98700

There is no need to thank me, we are all in this together !
_____________________________________________________

FYI: Here is a link for your viewing pleasure.

First real mainstream media coverage in the US of the subject of the
illegal high altitude spraying by large military type aircraft of
unknown substances - commonly referred to as 'chemtrails'.

chemtrails.exzani.com/Chemtrails_-_NBC4-LA_-_Toxic_Sky_-_5-24-06.wmv

Large .wmv file of 13,022KB - high speed needed?

There may be better quality recordings later but this will do for now!

**

The comment below from "Rick" sums it up nicely I think.

Comment from ricksgardeningtips:

Great job, Paul Moyer!

I think this is as fair and balanced a piece as you're going to see on
network TV. Sure, there was the obligatory disagreeing DOE
meteorologist, and a couple of garden variety skeptics, but by the end
of the piece you were thinking, "he's right, they're doing something."

There was a questionable link between a pollen cloud and chemtrails that
I thought was going nowhere, but there were lots of great dramatic CT
shots, an excellent interview with Rosalind Peterson, who was just great
in her segment with Moyer. She covered barium, aluminum and the
upcoming bills on weather modification succinctly. All the main points
were covered, and they made a point of saying this was not confined to a
small mountain town, but believed to be conducted everywhere. Moyers
himself seemed genuinely convinced, which sold the show for me.

Others may disagree, but I think this was a big victory - I'll be
calling and emailing them tomorrow.

Rick
________

I like the fact that Paul Moyer pledged at the end of the segment to continue looking into the "Chemtrail" issue and doing more updated reports - I have every reason to believe that he will continue to pursue this subject, it's about time someone in the main stream media had the courage to address this issue - Thank you Paul Moyer.

[altitudelou]

Big Joe said,

"Cracks and leaks are appearing ALL OVER the dam, and it's only a matter of time before it finally breaks! The longer they continue to hold this whole thing back, the bigger the coming flood will eventually be! "
__________________________________________

I agree with that statement 100% Big Joe, well said, but we all have been excited by the possibility of a major breakthrough in the Chemtrail / Spraying issue in the past and we have always been disappointed so I for one am being cautious in getting to excited about this one news report no matter how well done.

The Paul Moyer report gets it off to a good start but we need to see a lot more of this fair investigative type reporting by other main stream media outlets around the country, that's why I'm sending the video link of Moyer's report to our local media stations to see if they will also now dare to run their own reports on the Chemtrails / Spraying subject or at least consider it.

I think that if enough people start bugging their local stations with this Paul Moyer report they just might be prompted to react, it's worth a try anyway.

[BigJoe]

I agree with you Lou, it will be slow, perhaps very, very slow, because "they" are fighting this every way they possibly can... tooth, claw and nail, but in the long run, I am optimistic that this issue will hit the mainstream media like nothing has ever done before! More and more people are waking up every day, wondering what's going on up in the sky, and then going on the internet and finding out. And it's very interesting that the government, is now trying to get legislation passed that will limit, if not totally curtail, our use of the internet, and our ability to get this important information out to those who are starting to wake up. Hopefully this whole issue will go super-critical and hit the mainstream media front pages before that happens!

[mmmmbarium]

Here it is on You Tube.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nUR82naEJQ&eurl=

I sugest everyone E-mail Paul Moyer and tell him to run more stories on this!


[e-mail]


[e-mail]

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If my days in LA serve me well,Fritz is the weather......you fill in the blank.Already e-mailed Paul and thanked him,also told him many of us would be contacting our local NBC affiliates urging them to show his piece or do one of their own.I urge everyone to e-mail the video link to everyone you know,and some you don't know. This may be the break we've been looking for.Keeping a positive attitude about this. Almost forgot,sure would like hear what Herr Fritz has to say about the spraying.Have to send him an e-mail.

[chickenlittle]

I didn't realize so many were still going to CTC??
I quit going there because I thought they were screwing everything up.I notice a lot of gastros are there again,which is cool in a way because this brought me there to read that there is so much buzz about the Paul Moyers piece and that is awesome.I too by the emailed him and said GREAT!
chicky

[altitudelou]

I only go to CTC once in awhile and only if I have something worth posting there, I no longer participate in the "Chemtrail Activist" section or plan to any time soon.

There are a few good people still at CTC but it's a place I feel compromised and uncomfortable at now, thus only the short visits.

[increase 1776]

Just got a reply from Fritz Coleman ,to an e-mail I sent regarding the Toxic Skies Report. Mr.Coleman what is your opinion on the Paul Moyer Toxic Skies piece?I've been watching the Chemtrails for more than six years and always wondered why the weather people played dumb about it.At least that is the impression I got.Your opinion would be much appreciated.Thank You Hey Robert...
Great hearing from you!
I feel about it pretty much like I did before.
I'm open to being convinced!
I'm waiting for science to get more behind it.
It wounds liek there are still alot of questions.
Thanks for watching!
Fritz

[altitudelou]

I took the liberty of sending the "Toxic Sky" link from "YoutTube" that I
had to our local TV station news directors and encouraged them to think
about doing their own investigative report on this subject, to date I have
only received one response back and it was predictably negative, the station
is WGME 13 and it is run by the Republican Right and White boys of Maine,
they seldom if ever run anything that would contradict what they consider
the norm but I thought that I would at least offer them a chance to do
something daring for a change, obviously daring and change is something that
they can not abide in their narrow minded right wing view of the world as
they see it.

This is my e-mail to them and their news directors response, thought you
would get a kick out of it.
__________________________________________________________

Mr. Aubuchont,
Thanks for the e-mail. I've seen these stories over the years, but they
seem to be mostly based on speculation only. I'm not sure there is any
proof of the "chemtrail" claims.

Dave Kaplar
News Director
WGME News 13
___________________________________________________________

STLA wrote:

> The following link will take you to a real news worthy subject that is
> and has been happening all across this country, including Maine since
> the mid 90's.
>
> You may want to think about doing your own investigative report on this
> subject as they were in our sky's today, May 25th, but then you would
> have to get outside and look up for a minute or two to figure out that
> something abnormal is going on in the sky.
>
> www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nUR82naEJQ&eurl
>
> Thank you,
>
> Mr. Louis Aubuchont
> Parsonsfield, Maine.
___________________________________________________________

Since Paul Moyer's report "Toxic Sky" was the first MSM to pick up on the
chemtrail / spraying issue that I know of, I have to question what news
director Dave Kaplar means when he says "I've seen these stories over the
years, but they seem to be mostly based on speculation only. I'm not sure
there is any proof of the "chemtrail" claims"?

He must be referring to what he has seen on the internet, surely nothing in
the main stream media as there has been nothing until the Paul Moyers
report, anyway, this so called news director Dave Kaplar seems to be a prime
example of the kind of people that are responsible for bringing us our local
news, chock full of preconceived ideas and as closed minded about topics
such as chemtrails / spraying as a person can get, to these kinds of know it
all's even with the mountains of photographic, video evidence and the
hundreds of thousands of personal accounts of people, this guy will probably
never accept that our government is and has been involved in this chemtrail
/ spraying operation for years now.

There is no point in even hopping that people like this would do an in-dept
and fair, unbiased report on the subject, if anything they would do a
pro-government slanted and very biased counter story claiming that what we
are claiming to be chemtrails are nothing more than normal contrails, the
same old stay within the lines rule applies 24/7 with the Dave Kaplar's of
the world but they will be only to happy to jump on the band wagon when
there is a snowball effect with a news story, these guys are hypocrites big
time for sure.

Oh well, I guess there are only so many Paul Moyer's who are willing to look
into such strangeness as this obvious spraying that's going on in our sky's,
maybe people like Dave Kaplar will look back someday and say, " Damm, I was
so stupid", Duh, "Am stupid" !
______________________________________________

There is a strong bias in the MSM with regard to doing any stories on Chemtrail's / Spraying and it's hard to understand why as so many credible people are now standing up and saying that, "YES, SOMETHING IS BEING SPRAYED INTO OUR SKY'S".

I think the main stream media turning a deaf ear to this issue is criminal, they have a responsibility as journalist to report anything that might be adversely affecting society as a whole and this spraying is most definitely affecting our society - and not in any good way.

Hopefully there are less news directors like Dave Kaplar's out there and more Paul Moyer type reporters out there that actually have the courage to step up to the plate and tell it like it is.

[socrates]

*********************************
Mr. Aubuchont,

Thanks for the e-mail. I've seen these stories over the years, but they seem to be mostly based on speculation only. I'm not sure there is any proof of the "chemtrail" claims.

Dave Kaplar
News Director
WGME News 13
******************************

What a snide pasty shill that guy is. He obviously didn't even take a look at the clip. What a dishonest newsman. You'd think the chump would atleast have the intelligence to not be so patronizing. He could have just said thanks for the clip, we'll consider it. Thanks for watching WGME.


Say it ain't so Mr. Grant.


This looks like a good find from Deborah.
Aircraft induced contrail cirrus over Europe

Authors: Mannstein, Hermann; Schumann, Ulrich
Source: Meteorologische Zeitschrift, Volume 14, Number 4, August 2005, pp. 549-554(6)
Publisher: E. Schweizerbart Science Publishers

Abstract:
Condensation trails (contrails) and aircraft induced cirrus are nowadays a common feature at the mid latitude skies. Previously the impact of aircraft induced cirrus changes has been roughly estimated from observed decadal trends in cirrus cover but the direct attribution of observed cirrus changes to changes in aviation activity remains uncertain. In this paper the amount of additional cirrus induced from spreading contrails in humid air is estimated from the direct correlation between observed cirrus cover derived with suitable methods from METEOSAT data and aviation flight density reported by EUROCONTROL at high spatial and temporal resolution from June 22 to July 27, 1998 and September 27 to October 21, 2000. The results indicate that the aircraft induced cirrus cover over Europe is about ten times larger than that of linear contrails in the same region. Radiative forcing from the additional cirrus may be more than 10 times higher than that of linear contrails and aviation induced CO2 increases.

[madcitizen]

Didn't know where to post this. Didn't wanna start a new thread

Posted by Socrates
"If they want "good" websites to promote how they they want chemmies to be projected, they can't stop sincere people from rocking their boat with common sense. Word is getting around that chemtrails are real but the chemtrail websites aren't. If they would learn not to mess with the sincere people, their schemes wouldn't continually be exposed so much."

Yeah, that's a great point, Socrates.
Like when a concerned citizen calls up an "important" agency, like the FAA, Air Traffic Control people, or even the USAF to report unidentified planes/jets heavily spraying something over the city and They Don't Even Care!!! An untracked jet flying over a metropolitan area, spraying something (not a contrail, that is obvious), on an unknown flight pattern, that is unidentifiable. Shouldn't they care about something like an aircraft violating our country's airspace? Where is our "Homeland Security"?
Well, this should tell any kind of rational person something. Either they are 100% incompetent at the official Dept. of wherever; or something else. Any small amount of critical, rational thinking by a person will lead them to suspecting something suspicious is going on. Are the people at our "Official Agencies" really that idiotic, complacent, and uninformed? I don't think so.

[socrates]

madcitizen said:

Didn't know where to post this. Didn't wanna start a new thread

Posted by Socrates
"If they want "good" websites to promote how they they want chemmies to be projected, they can't stop sincere people from rocking their boat with common sense. Word is getting around that chemtrails are real but the chemtrail websites aren't. If they would learn not to mess with the sincere people, their schemes wouldn't continually be exposed so much."

Yeah, that's a great point, Socrates.
Like when a concerned citizen calls up an "important" agency, like the FAA, Air Traffic Control people, or even the USAF to report unidentified planes/jets heavily spraying something over the city and They Don't Even Care!!! An untracked jet flying over a metropolitan area, spraying something (not a contrail, that is obvious), on an unknown flight pattern, that is unidentifiable. Shouldn't they care about something like an aircraft violating our country's airspace? Where is our "Homeland Security"?
Well, this should tell any kind of rational person something. Either they are 100% incompetent at the official Dept. of wherever; or something else. Any small amount of critical, rational thinking by a person will lead them to suspecting something suspicious is going on. Are the people at our "Official Agencies" really that idiotic, complacent, and uninformed? I don't think so.

Hi MadCitizen, it's nice to see you jumping into the fray. I just made my final post ever to CTC.

Cya wouldn't want to be ya

I will never go back there again. Unfortunately, when new people engine search for chemtrails, they are going to probably end up at that disinfo palace. Now, I don't mind if there are some crazy things posted. It's not like it is a surprise at this point. Arcadia, a member here and former CTC moderator, is also a moderator at Rigorous Intuition. He has been battling the Don Croft elements.

CTC was the first chemtrail forum I started posting at. This was after Swamp, Arcadia, and Mech had left because Thermit was allowing every kind of debunker and nutjob back into the place. I stumbled upon Gastro through looking through older CTC threads. I started to lurk here and at Megasprayer. Then I got a pm from Swampgas inviting me to Gastro, and it was the best move I could have made. To post at CTC is to find one rarely coming across sane posts. Lou puts up some good stuff once in a while at CTC, but for the most part, there isn't much to see there. It really stinks when there are no moderators calling out nonsense like one sees Arcadia doing over at RI.

If there wasn't so much nuttiness on the internet as regards to chemtrails, it would be much easier for those people you listed above to take action. I have critiqued Rosalind Peterson in the past, but I must give her credit for getting Paul Moyer to investigate chemtrails, if this is how he came to learn about the crazy aircraft emissions.

We probably all have the same stories of trying to get a friend or family member to consider this story. At first, they are no, that is not true, those are contrails, they always have been there. They might search engine chemtrails and then end up at CTC. Once they read through the strangeness, that initial reaction is reinforced that there is nothing to see here, please move along.

So we change out strategies. We drop the word chemtrail even though it was the USAF that coined the word, not Will Thomas as some disinfo strategy has set forth. We turn the family member on to global dimming, or we lead them to photos, videos. Most people are in offices all day, so they don't really see what chemmies have witnessed. One guy I talked to who is an outside worker, he knows all about them. The majority of people have simply not witnessed it, or they have been led to crazy websites making it easier for them to brush it all off. Yet, eventually, if we are more persistent than the chemtrails, they eventually witness what we are talking about. Then they can never go back. They begin as skeptics, then they are forever curious about it.

The problem is except for Moyer and KNBC, this isn't getting any tv news time. Then when folks go to the internet, they are bombarded by the crap making it easy to like I said before, brush it off as regular chemtrails{on edit- contrails not chemtrails sorry}.

Then finally you end up with websites like the one I recently had a major ideological problem with. I won't name them, because I am trying to move on. Yet when "chemtrail believers" are spreading the same type of propaganda as Lord Debunker does, that all aircraft are involved, then you should be able to see where this psy-op is heading. They will say that global warming is putting more moisture into the atmosphere as the oceans are warming up. With more aircraft, you have more persistent contrails, more global warming, and basically what we are witnessing is global warming interacting with more traffic in the skies. This is why Lord Debunker really isn't a player in this any longer. He denies global warming, so his 1999 debunking tactics no longer make any psy-op sense.

[Swamp Gas]

Congratulations Socrates for leaving CTC, Megasprayer, and all of the other places where we are not wanted.

It is a pleasure to know that those who are smart enough will find their way here eventually.

[socrates]

Thanks Swamp, I was just following the lead from the CTC crowd that had had the dignity to speak truth to the tinfoil/debunking powers.

The last straw was when I wrote one cruddy sentence wondering where the moderators were as regards to Weatherman whatever number he is. And they came back with tons against me as being an agitator. My new goal is to talk less of the specifics of what happens at the other places, but perhaps use them as generic examples such as when Lord Spray is used to signify any such numbnut saying that all aircraft are involved, that chemtrails are contrails. These websites have "jumped the shark" into wingnutia, and there is no way to turn it around.

Sorry about this "all aircraft are involved" line. I am like Letterman, I find a good catch phrase and run with it. To Letterman it is all about the pyramid of comedy, the building blocks to a good joke. To me, the lame attempts over the years using those airliner.net photos has backfired. The vehemence I received from "them" for questioning this along with what you received for mentioning titanium, which is used as a sun blocker and evidently eats smog, makes me think we nailed them. So it's good the thread got locked. There was really nothing else to say. Same now with CTC probably.

[altitudelou]

madcitizen wrote,

"Posted by Socrates
"If they want "good" websites to promote how they they want chemmies to be projected, they can't stop sincere people from rocking their boat with common sense. Word is getting around that chemtrails are real but the chemtrail websites aren't. If they would learn not to mess with the sincere people, their schemes wouldn't continually be exposed so much."

Yeah, that's a great point, Socrates.
Like when a concerned citizen calls up an "important" agency, like the FAA, Air Traffic Control people, or even the USAF to report unidentified planes/jets heavily spraying something over the city and They Don't Even Care!!! An untracked jet flying over a metropolitan area, spraying something (not a contrail, that is obvious), on an unknown flight pattern, that is unidentifiable. Shouldn't they care about something like an aircraft violating our country's airspace? Where is our "Homeland Security"?
Well, this should tell any kind of rational person something. Either they are 100% incompetent at the official Dept. of wherever; or something else. Any small amount of critical, rational thinking by a person will lead them to suspecting something suspicious is going on. Are the people at our "Official Agencies" really that idiotic, complacent, and uninformed? I don't think so.
_____________________________________________________________________________

So, you have noticed 'madcitizen', that when anyone "calls up an "important" agency, like the FAA, Air Traffic Control people, or even the USAF to report unidentified planes/jets heavily spraying something over the city and They Don't Even Care!!! " or at least seem not to care, right?

We use to be able to call up the airport and get someone in operations to verify whether or not there was any military flights in the Maine area on days that there was spraying going on, now we can't even get to talk to anyone in operations, we get transferred to the TSA and we are asked a dozen questions before we are told that they can't help us and hang up.

We are still in contact with ATC sources off the job and in private they have confirmed to us that the military is up to something at certain times and that they (ATC people) are not usually notified until within minutes of military aircraft entering their control airspace and they are usually told by higher ups to reroute there air traffic out of the area that the military aircraft are entering but they are never told why.

So, people do know what's going on, they just can't talk about on the record fearing they will loose there jobs, their careers, retirement pensions and packages, etc, the moron debunkers are always making a point and screaming "why don't these people come forward", well, that's fairly obvious to anyone except the debunkers (paid or just fanatic lunatics) that would have us believe that there is nothing at all going on, everything is fine and we are just seeing normal contrails and we should all go back to sleep now, yeah right.

The whole thing with this Chemtrail Spraying is a lot like the UFO issue, people report seeing UFO's all the time to various agencies / authorities and usually they get the pat answer that "There are no such things as UFO's", so either these agencies must really know what all of these UFO's really are that are being seen and reported by so many people and they are covering something up, or they are afraid to tell the public that UFO's really do exist and they are powerless to do anything about it other than to keep on saying that UFO's don't exist.

The Chemtrail Spraying issue is being treated much the same by "The Agencies" and being denied in public but everyone knows that it's going on because we can see it being done but we are being fed this incessant line of bologna from the very people that are no doubt involved right up to their eyeballs in the spraying that's going on and it's this 'Hocus Pocus' smoke and mirror stuff that has a lot of citizens mad as Hell, am I right or what madcitizen?

[madcitizen]

Man, you guys can really see beyond the B.S. I can sense that. And it is good to hear this.

Posted by Socrates

by Socrates "We probably all have the same stories of trying to get a friend or family member to consider this story. At first, they are no, that is not true, those are contrails, they always have been there. They might search engine chemtrails and then end up at CTC. Once they read through the strangeness, that initial reaction is reinforced that there is nothing to see here, please move along."

This is true. Right on the nose. It is very frustrating when trying to awaken people to the spraying. Very frustrating, especially when mixing in UFO's, Orbs, 9/11 and all the rest that I, personally, do not really see any connection that can be made with regard to chemtrails.

posted by altitudelou

"So, people do know what's going on, they just can't talk about on the record fearing they will loose there jobs, their careers, retirement pensions and packages, etc."

I have thought the same thing, altitudelou. That much of the silence is due to fear. Fear by people involved, or closely involved, with the spraying operations that they will be reprimanded, or even fired, for speaking out against these horrible crimes. Even though, in the back of their mind, they know that total secrecy is never the answer. The truth is where it's always at.

posted by altitudelou

"The Chemtrail Spraying issue is being treated much the same by "The Agencies" and being denied in public but everyone knows that it's going on because we can see it being done but we are being fed this incessant line of bologna from the very people that are no doubt involved right up to their eyeballs in the spraying that's going on and it's this 'Hocus Pocus' smoke and mirror stuff that has a lot of citizens mad as Hell, am I right or what madcitizen?"

I couldn't really put it much better than that, man. I am totally fed up. Damn it. I work. I pay my taxes. I contribute to American society. I deserve to know who, why, and how they have been saturating our atmosphere with spray of who knows what. The government, military, or whoever the heck is responsible for this spraying has insulted us citizens' intelligence for too long now. We are demanding answers. We care about this planet. They should do their duty and look after the citizens instead of hiding under a gigantic cloak of secrecy.

[altitudelou]

madcitizen wrote,

"I couldn't really put it much better than that, man. I am totally fed up. Damn it. I work. I pay my taxes. I contribute to American society. I deserve to know who, why, and how they have been saturating our atmosphere with spray of who knows what. The government, military, or whoever the heck is responsible for this spraying has insulted us citizens' intelligence for too long now. We are demanding answers. We care about this planet. They should do their duty and look after the citizens instead of hiding under a gigantic cloak of secrecy. "
______________________________________________________

"The government, military, or whoever the heck is responsible for this spraying has insulted us citizens' intelligence for too long now."

'Insult' is being kind o your part madcitizen, 'our' Government has become so insulated from "We The People" that we are shut out of any processes of Government that take place, any participation in Government today by the average person has been regulated to that paying for "they" want, no really what the people want, we pay in taxes and we pay in blood for an increasingly corrupt and secretive Government that is detached by choice from the very people that it is supposed to be working for, obviously Government has become a separate entity that seems bent on it's own agenda of world control and domination at any cost to Joe citizen or their children.

Truth from our so called elected public servants has become something of a scarce commodity in recent years and with each passing day we hear the blather coming out of their mouths but 90% of it is worthless rhetoric or also worthless campaign promises two years out from the next election, is it any wonder that these highly paid tax burdens work only three or four days per week (If that) making their back room deals or pressing the flesh of the voters with their die cast smiles on.

You are not alone 'madcitizen' in being frustrated and angry at what appears to be a Government run amok, that for all intent and purpose has abandon serving the people as it was intended to do and now only serves itself, consuming our time, money and very lives to keep the gluttonous machine that it is fed and ever growing.

If anyone were to ask me what I thought could be done to change things, the first thing would be to give Government one huge ENEMA so it can expel all of the waste that has backed up within it over the years, Government is in need of a good flushing out so it might get regular again.

it's not just this issue of Chemtrail Spraying that being kept secret from us but thousands of other things that they do not want us knowing about , everything from new weapons research, bio-weapons, nono-weapons, first and formost, make a weapon from new science and technologies, what Socrates referrers to as the Frankenstein science that they are so secretive of, weather modification, scalar technologies and use, mass mind control, already mentioned weapons research, and for who's benefit, the average Joe tax payer citizen who would like to see decent affordable health care, the poor, hungry and homeless, no on your life.

All of that high tech is for one thing, keeping the Government all powerful and surrounded by it's industry giant friends so they can prop up each others 'economy', certainly not our economy, we are after all, just a means that justifies there ends_whatever that may be.

[madcitizen]

Shoot...that was quite a depressing read, altitudelou. Sad but true. And that's what I am after: The Truth. Can it be found over the internet? I don't know. But we can forum with like-minded truth-seekers and not feel like we are the lone eyes in our regions of the country (& world), you know.?.

posted by altitudelou

it's not just this issue of Chemtrail Spraying that being kept secret from us but thousands of other things that they do not want us knowing about , everything from new weapons research, bio-weapons, nono-weapons, first and formost, make a weapon from new science and technologies, what Socrates referrers to as the Frankenstein science that they are so secretive of, weather modification, scalar technologies and use,

That Scalar Technology- is this possibly related to chemtrails? I have just skimmed the surface of that topic in my delving into chemtrail research. And I came across many references to HAARP, and possible "scalar" connections. It seemed to all be over my head, though. HAARP- what a strange thing up there in Alaska it seems...

[altitudelou]

madcitizen wrote,

"Shoot...that was quite a depressing read, altitudelou. Sad but true. And that's what I am after: The Truth. Can it be found over the internet? I don't know. But we can forum with like-minded truth-seekers and not feel like we are the lone eyes in our regions of the country (& world), you know.?."

madcitizen,

Sorry but I call it like I see it_ and unfortunately or fortunately, however one looks at it I believe that it is going to take a worldwide catastrophe of biblical proportions in bring about any significant change within our present system of Government that would return it to a state of being "By The People , For The People" in the true sense of the word.

Ideally the people should be able to bring about change within our Government but today the Government is so self insulated and unreachable by the "common people" that any perceived or real change by us is only superficial at best and does no go to the vast far reaching changes that must take place that returns control of the Government to the people and out of the hands of the 'Industrial Military Complex' that now dictates so many of the policies put in place by our so called leaders today.

"Can the truth be found over the internet?" I think that depends on "what" truth your looking for, so many people today believe truth is what they are told by those who revise it almost daily. 'Truth' should always be subject to as much scrutiny as one can muster and never be taken at face value because we know how it can be twisted and distorted to serve those with devious agendas.

"But we can forum with like-minded truth-seekers and not feel like we are the lone eyes in our regions of the country (& world), you know.?." Of course we can but will it lead to a uniting of the people or only serve to further divide us, we see so much division going on in the world today it's questionable if "we" as humans can or will ever be capable of reaching a unanimous unity with regard to anything such as "not killing each other" and this constant "warring" that we seem to have such an affinity for in the name of our "God's".

I do not think that any "God", whichever one you happen to believe in, could or would be very pleased with us killing in his or her namesake. (Shame on us for using a "God(s)" to justify our barbaric behavior) but then this is nothing new, we have been doing this sort of thing since we could walk upright, another reason why I think that we are not indigenous to this planet that we are living on but that's another story.

Getting back to the question of whether or not we as a people can affect "our destiny" if you will, by talking to one another, my thinking is that we can no more affect our destiny by talking about it any more than we can affect Global Warming by talking about it and the only thing that ever effects change is the intervention of action(s) but we do have a certain degree of control with regard to our action(s). ( maybe ? )

I think if talking makes you feel better, then by all means it should be pressed and who knows, something positive might actually come of it.

madcitizen wrote,

"That Scalar Technology- is this possibly related to chemtrails? I have just skimmed the surface of that topic in my delving into chemtrail research. And I came across many references to HAARP, and possible "scalar" connections. It seemed to all be over my head, though. HAARP- what a strange thing up there in Alaska it seems."

"That Scalar Technology- is this possibly related to chemtrails?", I think it's safe to say that some form of high energy (Heating) systems are being used in conjunction at times with the Chemtrail Spraying, whether or not the HAARP facility in Alaska is directly involved or to what extent is questionable but we know that such high energy atmospheric applications have been proposed by scientists and the military going back many years ago, "Owning The Weather: Weather As A Force Multiplier" is a prime example.

"It seemed to all be over my head", yes, the science of "Scalar technology" can be overwhelming but the basic principles of what it is and how it can be used are easy to understand, don't get lost in the science speak, stick to the basics and you will understand it just fine.

Trust in your own good common sense to guide you, not what I or anyone else may have to say, whatever conclusions that you might come to, your decision is the only one that counts in the end.

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"Near the day of the Great Purification, there will be cobwebs spun back and forth in the sky."
................................................... Hopi prophecy.

[chickenlittle]

Sorry I know that you are all being serious but I have to respond to Socrates mention of The letterman:
Socrates,I am the same way I use a catch phrase to death,Letterman years ago got stuck on this one and I will never forget it
"Something from the meat locker Linda"?
Every once and a while when my husband and I are seeing some one who is being really rude in a store or something we look at each other to this day and say""Something from the meat locker, Linda"?Haha
It just goes to show you how repetetive words stick.
I also want to say that somewhere up there I read that unfortunately CTC is probably the first site people will go to when looking for Chemtrail info.
Since it went to the dogs I always mention to people to not go to that site when on a search I send them here now to get some real dedicated searches of the truth.
chicky