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Post by toomuchhighdef on Jan 30, 2010 21:15:41 GMT -5
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Post by Swamp Gas on Jan 31, 2010 0:29:26 GMT -5
There is more than enough evidence coming from the Denial Machine that facts are being fudged, polls manipulated, and Exxon funding practically every "skeptic" and pro-pollution think tank out there. I think there is two sides to this argument. Most climatologists say there is a warming cycle accelerated by human activity. The denialists keep changing their tone, from no global warming, to sun activity, to global warming is good for you, to don't worry...keep polluting. Under it all really the argument is this. The Al Gore school wants to make money from Carbon Credits. The Jim Inhofe school wants to make environmentalists look bad so more profit for oil companies. That is why Mike Rivero, Alex Jones and company don't see any problems with pollution, major oil spills, killing SOuth American forests, and poisoning rivers. So here is the summary: 1) Global Warming and climate change is real 2) Climategate and Glaciergate are two tempests in teapots 3) Inhofegate is being ignored by the Denialists 4) S Fred Singer worked for tobacco companies, oil companies, and Monsanto 5) Oil spills and pollution are not good for the environment 6) There are major permanent droughts in the Southwest and Southeast Asia To realistically evaluate this conflict, one must take in all the facts, not just facts that support one or the other point of view online.wsj.com/article/SB20001424052748704194504575031404275769886.htmlTis is an interesting assessment on the skeptics: www.skepticalscience.com/argument.phpLord Monckton's manipulations www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2009/05/moncktons-deliberate-manipulation/www.thestandard.org.nz/climate-change-looney-tunes-from-lord-monckton/John Coleman is NOT a climatologist, he is a weatherman. There is a difference between weather and climate. greenfyre.wordpress.com/2009/02/09/john-coleman-put-up-or-shut-up/www.desmogblog.com/john-coleman-still-waiting-lawsuitThis is on Frederick Seitz, the phony who scammed people with the Oregon Petition, and more recently the "Global Warming is a Fraud" petition: www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2007/10/oregon-institute-of-science-and-malarkey/rabett.blogspot.com/2006/12/oregon-deception-project.htmlFrom 1959 - www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=carbon-dioxide-and-climateFrom 1953 - climateprogress.org/2008/11/16/1953-popular-mechanics-growing-blanket-of-carbon-dioxide-raises-earth’s-temperature/
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