Soy can be dangerous

[Mech]

Soy Toxins

There's plenty yet that you didn't know about soy!

Soy contains several naturally occurring compounds that are toxic to humans and animals. The soy industry frequently refers to these toxins as anti-nutrients, which implies that they somehow act to prevent the body getting the complete nutrition it needs from a food. The soy toxins (such as phytic acid) can certainly act in this manner, but they also have the ability to target specific organs, cells and enzyme pathways and their effects can be devastating.

The soy toxins that Soy Online Service have concerns about are protease inhibitors, phytic acid, soy lectins (or haemagglutins), nitrosamines, manganese concentrations and the mysterious soyatoxin. Nitrosamines are not naturally occurring in soybeans but form during the processing of products such as isolated soy protein (ISP).

As with any toxin there will be a dose at which negative effects are not observed. Soy Online Services have examined the scientific data on the soy toxins and have uncovered several alarming truths:

read:


www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/soytox.htm

[Swamp Gas]

I had asked Edensoy this question a few years ago, and it prompted an online explanation.

www.edenfoods.com/issues_important_050701.html

Some of the soy scare could be traced to meat and milk lobbies, which are much larger than the organic lobby.


Of course, too much soy is no good, as you must complete the protein chain with the inclusion of sesame seed in the diet.

[rick232]

I just read another article about soy - this comes from the Dr. Mercola weekly newsletter:

Perhaps the most disturbing of soy’s ill effects on health has to do with its phytoestrogens that can mimic the effects of the female hormone estrogen. These phytoestrogens have been found to have adverse effects on various human tissues, and drinking even two glasses of soy milk daily for one month has enough of the chemical to alter a woman’s menstrual cycle.

Soy is particularly problematic for infants, and soy infant formulas should be avoided. It has been estimated that infants who are fed soy formula exclusively receive five birth control pills worth of estrogen every day.

mercola.com/2004/jan/31/food_warnings.htm

Men with low testosterone should be cautious of soy.

Rick

[Thetaloops]

Over the last 25 years I have drank soy and eatten soy just about everyday. I have noticed that I have developed an allergic reaction to it. Especially soymilk. I think this is what has been behind my sinus and lung mucus problems. Along with the chemtrails, of course, it has made for alot of coughing and nose blowing.

I have switched to Almond milk, it is a great substitute. Doesn't blend as well in tea and coffee, but I'll take it, for the relief of not have the physical side effects of the soy. The health food industry has put too much focus on soy, everything can be made from soy. I'd like to see more vegetable and nut type foods.

[rick232]

For years, I've been using soy lecithin on foods like eggs to counter the cholesterol. I don't know how much of the bad soy elements leak through the process, but it could be significant. I was always a bit gassy after eating the combination.

Now I'm finding that there is evidence that controlling homocysteine levels is at least as important, and perhaps more important than the cholesterol. So maybe the lecithin really isn't needed at all.

Fortunately homocysteine is easy to control with folic acid, B6 and B12.

Rick

[Swamp Gas]

Elevated cholesterol, and an improper LDL/HDL ratio, is an indicator of heart problems

Another more powerful and accurate marker for heart disease AND cancer is elevated levels of the hormone homocysteine.

Certain foods increase homocysteine levels, while others lower it.
Keeping the amino acid Methionine to the lowest level possible is the best course of action.

tsangenterprise.com/news67.htm

www.homocysteine.com/homepge.html

www.mycustompak.com/healthNotes/Concern/High_Homocysteine.htm

[Thetaloops]

I'm still using some soy, like tofu pups and tempeh. We are so use to using the soy for milk and the protein of the main meal. It took me so long to figure out what was causing this mucus reaction. I got really bad sinusitis from it. I think finding other protein sources might be the best idea. I'm really into macadamian nuts and walnuts. These are fine proteins.

'Fortunately homocysteine is easy to control with folic acid, B6 and B12.' Quote from Rick 232

I understand high homocysteine levels causes blood cloting and alot of other complications.

[Mech]

I try to steer clear of soy for the most part....but I still say ssoy is safer thaan most meat you get at the supermarket.

I just dont like all those estrogens and stuff in it. I used to take a lecithin geltab supplement along with other vitamins when i was doing Karate Full time. I think it has to propensity to do good. If you use A LOT of the stuff you are asking for trouble?

Protein?

Most people have protein paranoia. Your body can only process so much in a day..all the rest is wasted.

Plenty of protein in Legumes..and all beans for that matter.

You can make so many different foods with Kidney beans, white beans, baked beans, northern beans, chick peas, black beans, red beans.

My fav is to cook some beans and veggies on the stove, cook up some rice and flavor the rice with something spicy, put it in a big flour tortilla and wa-lla...more than enough complete protein...in fact, you will be stuffed beyond recognition. Wash down with some filtered water or freshly made vegetable juice in a juicer to get those vital enzymes.

Juicing vegetables....especially leafy greens gives you a big dose of protein too.

A handfull of delicious nuts like peanuts, pistachios or selenium rich Brazil nuts can give you a good dose too.

[rick232]

I presented the homocysteine information to my doctor and asked that my levels be checked (this was a year ago). He just stared at me and didn't know what it was about. Needless to say, my levels weren't checked (I'm in Kaiser). But he did write down the information.

According to what I've read, high homocysteine levels cause arterial inflammation. This inflammation causes no end of problems, the worst being a breakdown of the arterial wall with consequent cholesterol sticking to the wall and an occasional blood clot forming. Then the classical thrombosis event occurs and we move into the next world.

The pharmaceutical companies are not really interested in homocysteine - there's no money in it for them. And, they don't educate doctors about the problem. Actually, there is one prescription drug for homocysteine, it is called Foltx. It is 2500 uG of folic, 1000 uG of B12, and 25 mG of B6. That's easy to duplicate with OTC vitamins.

There is one nutrient that is also needed with this combination - it is molybdenum. Trace amounts of molybdenum act as a catalyst to improve the reaction.

Keeping methionine levels down (red meat is the culprit) is important, because homocysteine is a byproduct of breakdown of methionine.

It gets complicated, but living a healthy life sure beats the alternative!

Rick

[BennieDeth]

heh, protein paranoia..

an often overlooked source of protein is sprouts. the great thing about sprouts is you can easily grow a significant quantity yourself, even if you live in a unit.

[Swamp Gas]

Yeah Sprouts,

we grow and eat Sunflower, Buckwheat, Wheatgrass, Lentil, Fenugreek, Alfalfa, and Broccoli.

Our birds also love them, and will leave a little on their plates so they roll around in them!

[Thetaloops]

Funny thing about healthy living and it being complicated. I think eatting has become to complicated with the addition of meat and processed foods, especially sugars and starches.

We really could live on such basic foods, if we want to. Sprouts, beans, seeds, nuts, fruits, water, herbs, sunlight. I think most humans are so far from this life style, that they don't believe that they can survive off of it.

I have heard so many people say: I have to have my meat. I couldn't live without it. Very defensive about it also. And don't take the sugar and starch away or we'll have half the so called civilized world or more going through the sugar DT's.

As the 50's Beatniks would say: 'Simplify, Simplify'

[McCulloch]

This is a timely thread for me. Being 47 and female, I was considering incorprerating soy into my diet, but had no idea of the other issues with it. Now I am taking a second look.

We live in a quick, "super size" culture. It amazes me when I see the huge portions that folks eat. Most of it is quick processed stuff that is empty of true nutrients.

Moderation and simplicity. I guess we have to relearn these two simple qualities.

[Swamp Gas]

As Rick and I mentioned, Methionine is the Amino Acid to stay away from. Stick with vegetable protein, and you'll be OK. Soy by itself, can cause amino acid imbalances, so if you eat soy, some raw sesame would compliment that.

Soy can help female hormone situations at menopause time, even keep it in check. In addition would be Wild Yam, Donq Qui, Chasteberry, and Ginseng. You can find a complete list by searching, "menopause herbs" or "naturel alternatives for menopause", etc.

[McCulloch]

I have incorporated ginseng and yams into my diet. I also drink a tea made of Lady's Mantle a few times a week, which I enjoy.

I had hesitated with the soy because I have three kids who may not like it as much in a meal as mom does! LOL

I do like soy, but I've never been a frequent user of it. Now, with your advice, I may stear clear, or be more prudent.

(My kids will thank you! ;D)

[Thetaloops]

I have enjoyed a very mellow menopause from using these herbs. Black Cohosh, Wild Yam (cream and capsules), Dong Quay, Red Clover, & Ginseng. Mild sweats and very little insomnia.

I found that drinking the soymilk causes the most mucus. Tofu, tempeh and many of the soy inventions like soy burgers and tofu pups can replace meat, especially, if you are transitioning over. These in smaller doses are still good for making a meal. The soy is also helpful with menopause, but not over doing it. Nuts, seeds, sprouts and morning protien drinks have become our main protien.

[Mech]

I still eat soy once in a while.

I love smokehouse Tofu...very tasty!!!! (Tofu marinated and smoked in a real smokehouse), Tofu Jerkey and TOfurkey are still favorites of mine. Spiced seitan is also VERY good! Especially in asian or thai dishes.

[Swamp Gas]

Mech said:

Spiced seitan is also VERY good! Especially in asian or thai dishes.

Aha! Just as I thought! A Seitan Worshipper!

[Thetaloops]

It's amazing how many new items have come out since we first switched to vegetarian in the early 70's. There were two healthfood stores in the whole area. And it was very basic.

Now we have Lemon Tempeh Burgers (love these), Tofu Pups w/ sauerkraut and mustard on a hotdog bun and your ready for a baseball game ;D. Soy cheese is good, except they use casein from milk in many of the products, which is only a problem if you are a vegan or have milk allergies, breaded tofu called 'Buffalo Wings' made from tofu, great appetizer. You could go on for days with soy products now. We shop at Whole Foods, a large health food store chain, like a grocery store with organic veges and health food products.

We have been trying to find substitutes for protein, because of the allergy I have developed to, too much soy. Some of these are Seiten, which is actually made from wheat gluten, love this stuff, as you said great for stir fries. Polenta, which is a corn based product, plain or with added mushrooms or tomatoes, it comes in roll, you can slice it and bake or fry it, it is also used to replace noodles in lasagne. Sesame tahini is great for dipping vegetables in like broccoli, bokchoy, celery, carrots, peppers, great for parties. It comes is so many flavor mixes now. I still eat soy, but not as often. Really has helped the sinus problems.

Just a few links.

www.wileyeurope.com/WileyCDA/WileyTitle/productCd-0028615883.html

edgarcayce.com/cgi-bin/edgarcayce/vegetarian.html

[McCulloch]

Theta, do you use Spirulina? It has all 18 of the essential amino acids, and may help keep your levels balanced.

Polenta! Geeze, I remember that from when I was a kid. I hated the stuff! LOL We had it as one of our Sunday meals with the whole extended family (Italian). It was served with a tomato sauce. I used to call it corn mush. Rest of my family loved it.

What I love are tofu enchilladas. YUM!

I've been lucky. My change has been mild for the most part. Mostly, I worry about calcium uptake.

[Thetaloops]

Hi McCulloch,

Yes, we use spirulina like a suppliment. We use a small amount of it in our protein breakfast drink. It can be sprinkled on steamed veges and on salad. We absolutely drove my family crazy with the blue green teeth effect. We cut down on the spirulina because of the iron content. The B-12, minerals and the high quality, low fat protein is great, it's just the heart can be effected by too much iron, so we use it in moderation.

Polenta is fairly new to our diet. There is this great restuarant near us that has a lasagna dish. They use the polenta instead of the wheat noodle. It's delicious. We started using it as a substitute for soy because they use garbanzo flour in with the corn, so to have more variety. We have been just baking it sliced about 1/2" for about 20 minutes at about 350. Served with steamed veges it's very tasty.

As far as calcium goes. We found a D2 calcium powder supplement. Also, either Enriched Almond Milk (vanilla flavor) by Pacific and/or Enriched SoyMilk by Edensoy (vanilla flavor) has a good amount. Another source is seaweed. We use alot of Nori, Dulse, Arame, Hiziki and Kelp.

I think I must be hungry all this talk of food. ;D