Chem11 Declares That All Aircraft Are Involved

[socrates]

I have been banned from Megasprayer. Don't let the 90% warning fool you. I got suckered into a fight by the legendary moderator and now have been locked out. It seems that Chem11 is the know all of everything with chemtrails, although he thinks they are supercontrails which are created by commercial and military aircraft alike!

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In Jonathan Spray fashion, he has twisted my words. By locking me out, he has given me no opportunity to respond. I guess he likes to start fights where none should have been, where if anyone calls his bluff, he can simply ban them. To him it is ok for himself to call someone else a dispenser of disinformation, but God forbid anyone else has free speech.

Chem11: Well, since you've already accused nearly every other CT forum admin of being a Secret Agent, so I didn't think it would be long until I made the list. :rolleyes:

Thank you for answering my questions (all none of them) and offering your unique insights into this military takeover of the world's commercial aviation fleet. You obviously spent a great deal of time considering your theory and documenting it before sharing your wisdom.

Once again we are entertained with theories that allow for virtually anything... with the exception of that which can be proven conclusively (and that which will cost the stakeholders cold hard cash sooner rather later).

While the aviation and petroleum industry would certainly applaud your efforts (if not their results), I would like to extend my own hand in congratulations by adding your profound wisdom to my personal signature.

Let me offer my own wisdom at this time Socrates; If you're going to be a whore, be a smart one. Protecting the guilty so fanatically should be a paid position, not a freebie because you'd rather do that than man up for a second and say 'Gee, maybe I had that wrong'. "



Chem11 thinks ALL the aircraft are involved.



Thread excerpts:

Chem11: ...Because the military has exempted itself from any impending efforts to control their jet emissions does not mean that that commercial airlines aren't burning high-sulfate jet fuel and causing artificial clouds (and saving quite a few bucks at the pump). They are. The photographic evidence is entirely conclusive, really...

Me: The commercial aircraft may be part of it, but they are not the visible part of it. The aircraft laying down the obvious trails are not commercial aircraft.

Chem11: Based on my own limited observations, I drew a similar conclusion many years ago. Thankfully, we know have image servers pumping out jpg after jpg that definitively identify the culprits as being both military and commercial.
Please research this evidence.
...Right. I'll handle it.
www.airliners.net/open.file/1088680/L/
www.airliners.net/open.file?id=1147218&size=M
www.airliners.net/open.file/0980583/M/
www.airliners.net/open.file?id=1144738
Uncle?

Me: There is a big difference between the aircraft spreading chemtrails with those commercial ones adding to the atmospheric pollution. No planes at all were doing this bs until 1997. There may have been some rare persistent contrails, but that was it, they didn't spread out and create fake cloud cover.

Chem11: Welcome to FC. Anyone and everthing is fair game, here... administration included. Start spraying Jim Phelps' Patented Titanium Chemtrail mix in here (of all places) and you are going to be confronted... with the facts and the indisputable, ready or not.

Me: No one mentioned titanium in regards to Phelps. You are the one accusing me and Swamp of being useful idiots. Before this thread took this sudden nasty turn, I had already said that Phelps was a nut. You even provided evidence that titanium is used for skywriting. Deborah has shown that it has whitening qualities. Maybe Phelps the madman was on about titanium in order to discredit its possible involvement as an ingredient. The stuff eats smog.





Me: Maybe this is why the onion farmer calls you his buddy. Maybe if you didn't have such limited observations, you'd realize these planes doing the chemtrailing aren't following normal flight paths and instead are working on their particular zones. From my many observations, I have noticed it doesn't take many planes to fill up a lot of sky. If commercial airplanes are involved, that is a false flag where the military is using those planes without any passengers on them.



Then he eggs me on with this, implying that I am an astroturfing fraud.




Then came the post at the top of this thread where he called me a whore and locked me out.


Chem11: Thank you for answering my questions (all none of them) and offering your unique insights into this military takeover of the world's commercial aviation fleet. You obviously spent a great deal of time considering your theory and documenting it before sharing your wisdom. Once again we are entertained with theories that allow for virtually anything.





Spray does this. He twists people's words, takes them out of context. I did not say that the military took over the commercial aviation. I was saying the only way commercial flights are involved are if they are empty and being flown by military. To put it in simple English, chemtrails are being done by certain aviation, not commercial, but Chem11 would like us to believe that ALL aircraft are involved in chemtrail production. Maybe this is why Spray has referred to him all this time as his buddy.

[socrates]

To him it is all about sulfates. Any mention of titanium is a result of getting a Phelp's bug caught in the ear. Now I do not know what is in the chemtrails exactly. It looks like a lot of sulfates, but with all the strange coloured clouds who knows what is up there. There is a patent for melanin chemtrails which is posted on this website. As for titanium, Swamp knows of a doctor who has said that titanium levels are way up with his patients. Geez, I am one of the ones saying I was sick of hearing about barium all the time, but I'm not saying for sure they're not involved somehow. Yes, sulfates work well with moisture, but titanium makes sense as possibly being an ingredient, and one could think of that without ever hearing of Jim Phelps, the tv character or the madman chemtrail internet character who seems to have sullied the word titanium simply by his association with it.

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[halva]

In the Deep Shield interviews the claim was also made that civilian airliners are involved in aerosol spraying. There are pictures in Airliners that seem to confirm this. And the use of civilian airliners is recommended in the NAS study.

On the other.hand I have never personally seen any such spraying from civilian airliners. There is a distinct difference between the air traffic flying in and out of Athens airport, none of which ever leaves a visible trail, and the spraying aircraft flying up and down the Saronic Gulf.

Chem 11's exclusive focus on sulphates is something that goes back a long time, predating his present increased argumentativeness, which dates from the outset of the campaign against the "Marketing of Pollution".

I have never thought that differences of opinion over such technical matters are worth having serious arguments about.

[Swamp Gas]

By no means am I going to talk about Chem11 behind his back, but he did try and tag the "Phelps" idiosyncrasy on me. Dan Rockwell was the first to advocate and talk about titanium, and I have met Danny in person a few times, and he is a very intelligent and sober person. Even here at Gastronamus we entertain all theories, even the far out ones. Global Warming and UV-B blocking are the least of the far out theories. I wouldn't go as far as to say Chem11 is disinfo, but perhaps there is a bit of "competition" going on? Gastronamus is getting more traffic than Megasprayer and CTC. Or Chem just thinks there is one use of Aerosol Mitigation. Personally, I don't have time to argue theories over at Megasprayer. It is different than arguing Global Warming exists, or Ozone layer is depleted, or George Bush is a lousy president. These are givens, and arguing with these points is like arguing with a drunk. When it comes to Aerosols, we have to entertain all theories at this point (BigJoe and Mech, you're still welcome here). That is why we created 4 categories for Aerosol Mitigation.

The other option is Ed Smell hacked into Chem11's account by grabbing a cookie off of his open port, much like the hacker who got into CTC did. I don't know, but Chem11 is sure acting weird

[socrates]

Thanks for the responses. If Chem11 also joins in here or Bunny chimes in, I only ask that people post in ways that aren't going to get this thread hidden. I believe in sunshine laws. I believe in honesty and sincerity. I got suckered into a fight at Megasprayer by its administrator. I was told that the gloves were off and that there were no limits. What a joke. I guess it's true when they say never live in the same house as your landlord.

For the record, I could not get into my account there last night. It would always read account disabled by the administrator. That it would need to be reactivated. This means either the place was hacked or chem11 is a liar, there are no other possibilities.

[socrates]

If that is a long-term psy-op, I would imagine that the poster would be a character in which different fakes could simply fill in yet still be able to maintain the essence of the character.

It is quite bizarre how upset Megasprayer got when ozone hole blockers started to be discussed in earnest. It also seemed to hit a chord in them when hypocritical support for Jeff Wells and Scott Stevens was exposed. It was most telling when the Lord Spray demeanor was taken in debunking Titanium as a possible ingredient. No one over there seems to want to look into the geoengineering aspect of chemtrails. God forbid we theorize about why we see what we see and about what the heck is in it.

[socrates]

Chem11 definitely doesn't seem like the same person lately. This can be seen as to how he ambushed me, and Swamp to perhaps a lesser extent. Let's look at what he has said recently.

Socrates hasn't been banned and I'm not sure what
he's going on about with regards to his email. He did
receive a visible warning and a more specific warning
regarding the posting of false information, as well.
He apparently didn't have any problems logging in
erasing his account (and the warning level).

I explain above what I encountered. This is what I wrote for my final post.

"So I log in today and was finally allowed back in, but guess what, Chem11 changed it so my email address was available to anyone. Thanks a lot Chem11, you disingenuos POS. It all makes sense now why you let Smell post here. The only thing worse than the corporations polluting the air are a-whats like you just out to confuse.

I am out of here and advise people to stay clear of this place. IT IS FOR ENTERTAINMENT ONLY. IF YOU DISAGREE WITH ANYTHING CHEM SAYS, HE'LL INSIDIOUSLY ATTACK YOU, SAY ALL IS FAIR, EVEN FOR MODS, THEN WHEN YOU FIGHT BACK, THE PISSANT BANS YOU AND EXPOSES YOUR EMAIL FOR EVERYONE TO SEE. WHAT A CREEP.

Yeah, go agead and change posts or whatever else you want to you gutless pig.
You're a no good spook.
Chem11 Declares That All Aircraft Are Involved
No need to ban me pig, I am gone."

Which presents a problem. The Warning Level here is intended to alert the casual reader that what they may be reading by that particular poster should be thoroughly verified due to a repeated pattern of dishonesty. It's either that, ban or hand over the keys to anyone interested in spreading misinformation.

What is with all these deluded individuals involved with chemtrail forums? Why do they blow what they've done out of proportion.You don't see Deborah or Sore Throat ever sounding so pompous. They trudge along like foot soldiers and post their scientific articles. Chem talks a lot about sulfur jet fuel. If he had such a great breakthrough with eight years of research to back it up, we would have been wowed and convinced by now. As long as he doesn't tamper with that thread it is clear that he is acting very strange and has exposed himself as quite strange and not all that. He does seem to be a different person. Or the strategy (psy-op?) has taken a sudden turn. AA767 just flooded Carnicoms with a lot of airliner.net photos. Chem thinks that ALL aircraft are involved. Spray calls him his buddy. He cannot possibly debunk titanium as a possible ingredient, nor the melanins. The key difference is that myself and Swamp were just throwing these things out for review, we weren't saying these were proven as ingredients, just that they make sense as possibilities. I think Chem's response to all this is the big story. I really do. As long as he doesn't tamper with that thread, it is all right there....

The only time I change a post is to fix broken code or to remove something that violates Proboards TOS (this has always been the censoring of heavy profanity, in the past). Any edits by myself or a mod is clearly displayed by the software and there's no way around it for us.

I do note the strange co-incidence in the title of Socrates thread at Swamp's and a similarly awkward attempt by someone at the DBS forum to claim I said things I never did. I guess it's supposed rile me up... or something.

Ha! The old "No, I am not a troll you are" post. I don't know what he's talking about.

Quote {Me}:
The only thing worse than the corporations polluting the air are a-whats like you just out to confuse. {end quote}

Yesterday it was military planes, and corporate owned aircraft were off the hook. Then it was military planes impersonating all those passenger jets. Now it's "corporations polluting the air"; which is a reality based observation (at long last)... but the same one you accuse me of being a Secret Agent for stating.

He doesn't make any sense here. He is doing a Johnny Spray take the words out of context attack. I had one sentence with IF, IF there are commercial aircraft involved, they are empty and being flown by military as a false flag. This was in response to his nonsense that ALL AIRCRAFT ARE INVOLVED.

You're obviously half-past mere confusion, Socrates. My only suggestion is to do your own research and come to a conclusion based on the most direct evidence available.

My own conclusion is that cheap, high-sulfate jet fuel is causing artificial cloud cover and despite the fact this cloud cover has a net-warming effect (and no proven net UV-B blocking advantage over the ozone it destroys) it is being promoted as cure for both global warming and UV-B exposure by scientists actively seeking very specific sums of money from the petroleum and aviation sector in exchange for their 'research findings' (see ACACIA, for starters).
Actually, everything I just stated does not qualify as as a conclusion. These are simply over-documented facts at this point. Not quite as entertaining or sexy as the military impersonating tens of thousands of commercial flights at any given moment around the globe, admittedly, but if it's conspiracy porn you want, look elsewhere.

He is running with that one IF statement I made, isn't he? He also is saying that Geoengineering is a hoax, scientists simply sign off on the pollution as good, they are not actually doing any actual research and experimentation.
Why he started a fight with me I will never understand, unless he is psy-ops, and people were getting too warm with the theories about the ozone holes for his/their liking.

[altitudelou]

Gee, what can I say, I don't want to bad mouth anyone so I better just keep my distance on this subject.

( My thought / in my PM Socrates. )

[socrates]

Now, I didn't attempt to 'tag' anyone with anything, other than to point out the origins of this titanium scam. Ignoring that evidence (including the 1974 patent) and crediting it to Dan Rockwell while ignoring the fact that a reasonably high-profile DoE employee with his own website embarked on a lengthy campaign to proclaim that he invented titanium chemtrails seems strange, but Swamp may have heard it for for the first time from Dan/Jenna.
Regardless, I am willing concede the possiblity that Swamp knows Dan Rockwell personally and could have been talking about all this with him prior to the appearance of shady DoE employees or the speculation that followedithe discovery of the patent many, many years ago. Dan's the man.

I hate to do this. These people, many of them, mean well. Dan/Jenna did the right thing and walked away from here once the truth came out, too. I have no explanation for why he did what he did in the first place, but he understood how important credibility is here and immediately left, which I considered a personal favor.

Quote{Swampgas}:
"Dan Rockwell was the first to advocate and talk about titanium, and I have met Danny in person a few times, and he is a very intelligent and sober person"


Dan Rockwell registered here under a false identity, claiming to be female by the actual name of 'Jenna'. He posted pictures of himself with 'Jenna' (elsewhere ) in an apparent effort to convince people of the reality Jenna and his relationship with her. The pictures were very obviously photoshop fakes and it didn't take long for someone with a formidable knowledge of adult internet models (Cydoniaquest, who else?) to idenetify the woman in the picture, and post the actual jpegs that had been ripped from and cloned in with Dan Rockwell's photo.

My own experience with Dan/Jenna led me to believe he's the kind of guy that wouldn't intentioanlly hurt a fly. I'm a different story. Lie to me and I'll pull off your wings and pull out the magnifying glass.

Dan Rockwell may be many wonderul things. But he is not and honest man. He is not a moral man. He claimed another, very real, person's identity and used her photographs to perpetuate the saddest deception I've seen in all my years on these forums.

If Swampgas is correct and Dan Rockwell is the originator of titanium chemtrail 'advocacy', the an examination of his track record and honesty level are obviously highly relevant (especially in the complete absence of any documentation or evidence).

Chem11 is delusional. Swampgas only said he might have first heard of titanium through Dan. Smearing Dan and calling him Jim Phelps' "useful idiot" is both unprovable and off-topic. As for Phelps, how do we know he was ever really a DoE employee working in the fields he spoke of? It doesn't look like it. Phelps appears to be an alphabet concoction if anything. Why does Chem11 think there isn't geoengineering going on. It might be Frankensteinian, it might make no sense, it might be in place because greedy pigs don't want to have to restructure the economy for the good of society and the planet, but what is up with this insistence that scientists just sign off on things? What is with this idea that all these patents are meaningless?

Quote(Swampgas):
I wouldn't go as far as to say Chem11 is disinfo, but perhaps there is a bit of "competition" going on? Gastronamus is getting more traffic than Megasprayer and CTC."

I'm more concerned with disseminating credible information than 'traffic', Swampgas. I don't receive any advertising revenue from this site, so traffic is only an indicator of how many people are being educated with the most recent research and developments. If you are concerned with your traffic levels, install a visible counter on your site... that way both you (and your posters) can verify your stats.

Quote{Swampgas}:
"When it comes to Aerosols, we have to entertain all theories at this point."

Yes, let's just throw away the last eight years of research and developments and get back to 'entertaining' everything and everyone imaginable. That way you won't have to tick anyone off, or present any evidence or do any research.

What is he talking about? All of us are very open to looking at the research, Arcadia, Lou, Swamp, etc.. Where are the fruits of all his great work? I see a lot of confusion at his website. I don't see him post that much, at least of late. If Big Bunny stopped posting there, what would be left, not much.

And when people go at it anyway, you can remove every mention of CT's from your forum and claim you really just wanted it to be a trippy, hippy online amsterdam coffee shop, anyway.

So not only does he go after me, he totally slams Swamp and Thetaloops, others for having the gall to show some personality, some humanity during bizarro times. Again I ask, where is his great accomplishment as regards to chemtrails? What has he really accomplished?

Now, to put a gruesome end to your latest public 'theorizing' that I am really Smell...

Application denied. Not all these information threads are pretty, but their continued existence is kinda important to me. You understand.

Is he talking to me or Swamp. I never said he is Ed Smells, I just said that this latest antagonism generated by himself might explain why he lets Smelly post at Magasprayer.

As for Swampgas, I have thought a lot about it, and I believe he is who he says he is. There's a consistency to his posts, to his humanity, that would be very difficult to fake.

Plus, I appreciate his call for civility and good vibes, and that he does not simply throw ideas out there about chemtrails. If he mentions something there is a great chance there is a good reason for this. It just so happens that titanium makes sense, so do aluminum particulates, so do any number of elements that might be involved.

One thing I have never heard from him is that ALL AIRCRAFT ARE INVOLVED IN THE SPRAYING OPERATIONS.

[altitudelou]

Wayne wrote,

"On the other.hand I have never personally seen any such spraying from civilian airliners. There is a distinct difference between the air traffic flying in and out of Athens airport, none of which ever leaves a visible trail, and the spraying aircraft flying up and down the Saronic Gulf."

Well gee Wayne, what do you need to convince you that the military is involved in the spraying, not civil air carriers?

I have seen civilian type jets leaving Chemtrail's but they painted white or shades of gray, not the usual company logo paint jobs at all.

[halva]

Thank you for taking the plunge at DBS, Lou. I think it was good for your soul and for our morale and was successful in further shifting the moral balance, even if it can't lay the foundations for anything permanent.

What would it take to convince me? What would it take for you to remove the antagonism from your public postings addressing me, as opposed to your super-friendly private e-mail?

I didn't say that I was convinced or unconvinced. I simply said what I know and don't know. I have read one thing. I see another. But I have not travelled very much in recent years.

[halva]

socrates said:

For the record, I could not get into my account there last night. It would always read account disabled by the administrator. That it would need to be reactivated. This means either the place was hacked or chem11 is a liar, there are no other possibilities.

I had exactly the same experience, Socrates, of being locked out, with Chem denying that this was happening and BB deploring my hypocrisy.

Of course both of them managed to put up with me for years until you in your single-mindedness exhorted them to throw me off Megasprayer.

Bear in mind that we at Gastronamus are now in a relationship of competition for audiences with Megasprayer. Last time I checked there was no-one there slagging off Gastronamus, making theories about who here is a spy or a troll and who not. That is a plus for them.

[socrates]

halva said:

I had exactly the same experience, Socrates, of being locked out, with Chem denying that this was happening and BB deploring my hypocrisy.

I swear to God, I couldn't get into the account last night after ferociously slamming his dumbass posts. The screen said account deactivated by administrator, will need to be reactivated. Today I logged on and it worked. I went to my profile and my email was no longer hidden. Right then I decided to make one last post and get out of there. Is it no surprise that Spray is calling him his buddy again after this recent development? What I don't understand is why Chem11 has messed up so blatantly as to reveal himself as a debunker. It's shocking, but true.

Of course both of them managed to put up with me for years until you in your single-mindedness exhorted them to throw me off Megasprayer.

Halva, if you want to participate in the American forums you need to realize that we love our free speech. None of us are too shy when it comes to speaking. We tend to look for similar friends who accept us for who we are but who we feel comfortable with.

I did not get you thrown off Megasprayer. I am only an individual poster. Chem11 tossed you off and then you came up with your self imposed permanent ban, same as me, it's just I admit to it while you try to say I got you thrown off. Hey, if somehow that were true, you should thank me seeing how they lied about you being locked out. I remember that. It made me think you were a liar about that, until the same thing happened to me.

Bear in mind that we at Gastronamus are now in a relationship of competition for audiences with Megasprayer. Last time I checked there was no-one there slagging off Gastronamus, making theories about who here is a spy or a troll and who not. That is a plus for them.

You should drop that "we" thing Halva. There is no "we" here. No need to refresh our memories about that fact. People can read the questions to Greece or how to cool a planet thread or others.

CHEM11 HAS CROSSED THE LINE INTO BEING A DEBUNKER. I WOULD APPRECIATE IT IF FOR ONCE YOU COULD STAY ON TOPIC AND KEEP YOUR DRAMA OUT OF THIS.

This is where you had a good post in this thread.

"In the Deep Shield interviews the claim was also made that civilian airliners are involved in aerosol spraying. There are pictures in Airliners that seem to confirm this. And the use of civilian airliners is recommended in the NAS study.

On the other hand I have never personally seen any such spraying from civilian airliners. There is a distinct difference between the air traffic flying in and out of Athens airport, none of which ever leaves a visible trail, and the spraying aircraft flying up and down the Saronic Gulf.

Chem 11's exclusive focus on sulphates is something that goes back a long time, predating his present increased argumentativeness, which dates from the outset of the campaign against the "Marketing of Pollution". "

Hey look who brought up the hoax Deep Shield again?
But anyway, a bunch of that post was on target, now how 'bout answering Lou's on-topic question to you:

"Well gee Wayne, what do you need to convince you that the military is involved in the spraying, not civil air carriers?

I have seen civilian type jets leaving Chemtrail's but they painted white or shades of gray, not the usual company logo paint jobs at all."

You have a reputation for taking threads off-topic. Please don't do that on this one.

[Swamp Gas]

I think Megapsrayer is Megasprayer and Gastronamus is Gastronamus, and never the twain shall meet. I mean no ill will toward Chem11, but I found it strange he was so acidic to me and Socrates. Saying Ed Smelly grabbed his cookie means nothing, just a possibile explanation for his attackative behavior.

However, since Socrates and halva were banned from there, they can say whatever they want about Megasprayer and Chem11. That is their opinion and that is the freedom we all have.

[socrates]

One other thing Halva, are you joining up with Chem11, Yaaak, Spraymeister, and now AA767 in debunking chemtrails with this bullshit that ALL AIRCRAFT ARE INVOLVED IN THE OPERATION?

Contrail or Chemtrail?

AA767: i need your opinion.
are these contrails or chemtrails? if they are chemtrails then why? thanks

www.airliners.net/open.file/1122883/M/
www.airliners.net/open.file/1088680/L/
www.airliners.net/open.file/1025593/M/
www.airliners.net/open.file/0998056/M/

i am having a hard time differenciating between the two.
there are 4 pictures. which one is chemtrail (if any)

Day Glo: Personally, I'd have to see if they disappear normally within seconds to minutes like all the other contrails I've grown up seeing in my 40 years of life.

If they stick around, spread out, eventually cover the sky and turn it from baby blue to a whited out mess, then they were chemtrails.

chemtemplation (in a rare moment of clarity):
What Day Glo said.
P.S. Also, unlike the phony pilot, Day Glo doesn't have an agenda. The phony pilot OBVIOUSLY does.

[socrates]

admin said:

I think Megapsrayer is Megasprayer and Gastronamus is Gastronamus, and never the twain shall meet. I mean no ill will toward Chem11, but I found it strange he was so acidic to me and Socrates. Saying Ed Smelly grabbed his cookie means nothing, just a possibile explanation for his attackative behavior.

I started this thread after I got locked out. I wasn't sure how it would go. But evidently, the other side is running with this on two angles, one the airliners.net angle (yawn) and the Dan Rockwell as sexual deviant, troll, and dispenser of the "titanium hoax". It's sad to see Chem11 acting as a psy-op agent. It's strange to see him so blatantly aligned with debunkers on both angles. Why does he give Jim Phelps acknowledgment as a DoE employee? If anything he is shady as Deep Shield, The Mechanic, etc..

However, since Socrates and halva were banned from there, they can say whatever they want about Megasprayer and Chem11. That is their opinion and that is the freedom we all have.

Thanks.

[halva]

admin said:

However, since Socrates and halva were banned from there, they can say whatever they want about Megasprayer and Chem11. That is their opinion and that is the freedom we all have.

I don't want to talk about Megasprayer, and I don't really fancy trying to co-ordinate with Socrates' wandering preoccupations. I hope, Swamp, that you can keep this forum to the new policies you proclaimed only a week or two back.

[halva]

Otherwise we may find ourselves in a new cycle culminating in reclosing of the non-entertainment-oriented threads.

[Swamp Gas]

I am perplexed. I simply don't want to engage Chem11 on his turf. Funny, how I promoted his site, gave him credit for Johnny Spray, and all that. Well, cest la vie.

As far as The Mechanic, he is not as bad as he appears. He is still welcome here, but personally, as I have said this many times, I agree with him on lots of issues, but his Global Warming theories are just Exxon/Mobil ideas IMO. He choose to leave, and I still consider him a friend. I can't say what anyone else thinks of him, but that is just my opinion.

Dan Rockwell is an eccentric fellow. he lived at the time in a farmhouse tucked away in Connecticut, with horses, ducks, chickens, reindeer, and is a very nice person. He loves role playing and theater. He has a pet rooster and Chihuahua. He is a firemen by trade. So fucking what if he poses as a woman online. When he talks, he is lucid and precise. This attacking him for this is the same crap that all of the other lowlifes did at Maverick's. They all worship one person with 20 IDs, and Chem11 allows Ed Smell on without a flinch to shit up Megasprayer. Helloooooo...Bizarro World.

[halva]

socrates said:

Halva, if you want to participate in the American forums you need to realize that we love our free speech.

You should drop that "we" thing Halva. There is no "we" here.

.

[Swamp Gas]

Look, we can talk about it, but I agree, the heck with Megasprayer, CTC, Ed Smell, Johnny Spray, ad nauseum.

Looks like we all have something in common now. Hated by CTC, Megasprayer, Maverick's, Spray, Smell, et al.

We must be doing something right

[Thetaloops]

I do think it would be better for this site over all if we could limit the amount of discuss on what goes on with trouble at other sites. Who cares what they are saying about our scientific and philosophical discussions here?

We should keep pushing out of the muck and keep it as inventive and interesting as possible.

There's so much to think and talk about.

[socrates]

posted by Swampgas:

"As far as The Mechanic, he is not as bad as he appears. He is still welcome here, but personally, as I have said this many times, I agree with him on lots of issues, but his Global Warming theories are just Exxon/Mobil ideas IMO. He choose to leave, and I still consider him a friend. I can't say what anyone else thinks of him, but that is just my opinion."

I meant The Mechanic hoax story from a ways back, not your friend who disagrees with you over the global warming.

[socrates]

Sorry Thetaloops. This was a big one for me and Swamp, but I will reflect on your words and try to be a better person.

[BigBunny]

ALL of you would do well to listen to and abide by the wisdom of Thetaloops.

[chickenlittle]

Go Theta!!!!
Maybe THAT is their scheme to sit back and laugh that we spend sooooooo much time discussing THEM.
I really don't know all the politics because luckily I was sheltered just in time from all the crap at CTC and was welcomed by Theta and Swamp and am still in the beginners circle for learning.
So might I suggest that you guys get busy....... Your students are waiting
Hahaha
No really though,this is MY home site and I would really like to hope that we can keep on all of our missions of figuring this chemtrail shit out.
with love, peace and respect,
chicky

[socrates]

bigbunny said:

ALL of you would do well to listen to and abide by the wisdom of Thetaloops.

True, but perhaps this public posting of yours from Megasprayer can lead to an honest debate here on whether ALL AIRCRAFT ARE INVOLVED.


Aerosol Reporting?

posted by Big Bunny:

"While I can understand your distress at what you are witnessing Ontheground there are certain matters that you should understand from the outset.

Some posters such as Lou are convinced that this is a military operation alone. For some reason Lou has a fixation about the KC-135 refueller aircraft and specialised spray equipment. It is my sincere belief that the so-called "sprayers" are actually any aircraft that utilises either of the aviation fuels JP-A and JP-8 has in effect become a defacto "sprayer". The Devil is in the fuel not the aircraft - to be precise the sulfates in the fuel. This being so the number of aircraft involved nearly equate with your daily air traffic. I am aware of the allegations that specified "unidentified" aircraft criss-cross the sky so as to contaminate the clear skies. Whereas I witnessed a Singapore Airlines aircraft leave a Chemtrail (CT) on leaving Sydney International Airport on a Sunday night in August, 2005. I may be wrong on the date but it is posted somewhere in this great expanse we call Megasprayer.

Ontheground you will notice the subtle differences between my statement as opposed to the assertions by Lou and the other conspiracy theorists. You need facts to argue your case, not mere hearsay and a bunch of pretty photos. So in answer to your question, the secret bases that you seek are your local airports and the evil sprayers are your friendly airlines etc.

The real enemies are the corporate stakeholders such as the Oil industry, the Aviation industry and dare I say it the International Banking and Insurance industries.

As you will have noted above, I'm located in Sydney Australia and like elsewhere we have daily CTs of varying intensity. It has been like this in Australia since at least 1999. It is extremely rare for military aircraft to be involved simply because we don't have many. However most CTs emanate from normal commercial traffic with no single carrier being the sole perpetrator.

As for spraying and the storms in Colorado - please note aircraft fly over storms usually rather than through them. If there are going to be CTs you will see them through breaks in the cloud cover unless you are enduring "white-out" conditions.

You are right - nothing is natural anymore. I suggest that you do browse the archived materials here because many recent "discoveries" on other Forums have already been dealt with here. "

[Swamp Gas]

bigbunny said:

ALL of you would do well to listen to and abide by the wisdom of Thetaloops.

Would that include YOU and Thermit/Chem11, or whoever he has transmuted into now?

Did I ever talk dirt about you two like you two are doing about me at Megasprayer?

Damn shame... I always considered you two valuable allies.

Oh well, life goes on.

[Thetaloops]

I am surprised at some of the responses that have been given by Chem11. He always seemed like a mild mannered type of guy, very intelligent fellow. These posts do seem a bit different than his norm. Is the pressure getting to all of us? I think that is what TPTB would like to see us fighting among ourselves.

I don't think any of us know 100% of who is spraying what and why.

We 'the little guys and gals' have been left out of the reasoning and the explanation. If they are trying to fix the ozone then why not report it? It seems to be to be more than just simply a residue from the airplane fuel. Because on the same day I have seen one plane giving off hug streams of clouds and others giving off normal looking contrails. Can we prove it? Not without allot of money. Which none of us seem to have.

I would hope that we can continue being com padres of Megasprayer. We need the forces who are questioning this spraying to continue to be friends. Strength in numbers. Even if we don't agree on what the reason is, at least we can agree that something is going on up there.

I think this is what we are all wishing to see again.



Thanks for the being part of the research team.

[halva]

thetaloops said:

If they are trying to fix the ozone then why not report it?

One reason for this may be that the same institutions that wrecked the ozone layer in the first place, e.g. the Lawrence Livermore Laboratory with their atmospheric h-bomb testing, are also involved in "solving" the problem they mainly caused. Making money both times.

Of course culpability is not the same at the individual level. This might be a reason that some scientists, such as Paul Crutzen, who has been working on the problem of ozone and as far as I know unlike Teller and company was not complicit in its destruction in the first place, seem to be trying, in a half-hearted and inept fashion, to encourage public discussion of what is happening.

Politicians (with some isolated and so-far short-term exceptions) are apparently afraid to touch this issue for fear of what might happen if "the lid comes off". But we the little people don't have to be afraid in the same way.