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Post by socrates on Dec 11, 2006 14:25:30 GMT -5
...I am getting tired of hearing these two dopes names. Perhaps we should put a self-imposed ban of any more posts of Smell and Spray? I hear you. Maybe we should have one thread in the theoretical section about disinformationalists, propagandists, and their useful idiots. Then whenever any of us feel like talking about them or this type of stuff, it could all be nice and tidy in the one thread. Then if people are interested in it, they can go there, if not, they could just ignore it. "Jeff Spray" has surfaced again at DBS, showing how Lord R. has lied and obfuscated yet again. It's not nice to fool with Mother Nature But pointing out Spray's lies and distortions is as original as saying GW Bush is stupid, or that John McEnroe had trouble with tennis officiating.
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Post by Swamp Gas on Dec 11, 2006 15:19:36 GMT -5
Seems Smelly is the Great Protector of the Unwashed Masses!!! LOLOL!! ;D ;D
They are concentrating on the chembusters, UFOs, Orbs, and other disingenuous practices of Aerosol Mitigation.
Nowhere do you see comments about Owning The Weather in 2025, those Aerosol Mitigation articles I posted, Dr Evil, High Titanium in New Jersey, or the scores and scores of other empirical pieces of evidence supporting the study of Mitigation
Like I said, I am beginning to see these two Dolts for what they are......Lonely, Frustrated Rednecks that hate Progressives and Constitutionalists. Both are in need of some attention, even if it is from a Virtual Space, behind a screen. Could you imagine one of them saying this straight to your face, or someone like Mech? Whoooaaa! That would be a sorry scene.
The Real Paid Disinformants are the Lovelocks and The Brands, like the Pelosi's, Hillary's, Conyers, and so many other "Liberals".
I agree with the new area. I will set one up on an experimental basis
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Post by halva on Dec 11, 2006 15:32:51 GMT -5
Halva, you speak of Rosalind Peterson undergoing multiple interrogations before being admitted to Megasprayer. Would you care to elaborate? She wrote: "it took me to get logged in and go through giving them some personal information (which I think is unnecessary), and too time consuming.... The back and forth is not productive and time consuming." Surely Smell didn't have to do this. How could he have been admitted if he did? Why was a particularly vile piece of debunking scum given more privileged treatment than one of our most important activists?
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Post by halva on Dec 11, 2006 15:37:01 GMT -5
If it's too difficult to keep these fellows out let's just stop saying how well moderated we are.
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Post by Swamp Gas on Dec 11, 2006 15:47:02 GMT -5
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Post by altitudelou on Dec 11, 2006 18:22:26 GMT -5
From the mouth of the great Arkansas Onion Oracle himself, the hypocritical double standard just keeps on flowing from his thin little lying lips. From,...http://debatebothsides.com/showthread.php?t=397&page=792 Quote: The Onion Emperor of Arkansas. "yes, be sure to get a real meteorologist to vet your analysis. Using material provided by Scott Stevens might not be such a good idea!" __________________________________________________ Oh, really ? ____________________________________________ Quote: Lord BS. from,.... www.debatebothsides.com/showthread.php?t=19113&page=142"Vitem, you must be blind as a bat. Or just a liar. Persistent contrails form frequently over Montana, North and South Dakota. They are visible and are reported, they can be seen in photos, even from space. They are reported in scientific journals, and researched by scientists in those states" ( Oh my, here is a 'Lord BS' link quoting none other than Scott Stevens. WTF ? ) "May 25th 2006 3:38pm 2138Z Rapid City South Dakota. Low humidity at the upper levels of the atmosphere yet this trail, not composed of condensed moisture, persists. These trails are used as meteorological markers in the sky." www.weatherwars.info/index.ph...ear=&arcmonth=_____________________________________________ Obviously it just fine for the Arkansas Onion Mister to use Scott Stevens / weatherwars.info credible expertise as rock solid truth when it suits his purposes but if any of us "chemmies" should use a quote or link to Scott Stevens it becomes totally unusable because the "Great Onion one" deems it worthless information and chemmie crap. Man, the Arkansas Onion Farmer really exemplifies what it is to be a two faced, lying, hypocritical piece of human sewage, what a waste of oxygen he is,... pathetic,........ just pathetic.
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Post by Swamp Gas on Dec 11, 2006 18:26:19 GMT -5
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Post by socrates on Dec 11, 2006 18:58:10 GMT -5
Halva, you speak of Rosalind Peterson undergoing multiple interrogations before being admitted to Megasprayer. Would you care to elaborate? She wrote: "it took me to get logged in and go through giving them some personal information (which I think is unnecessary), and too time consuming.... The back and forth is not productive and time consuming." Surely Smell didn't have to do this. How could he have been admitted if he did? Why was a particularly vile piece of debunking scum given more privileged treatment than one of our most important activists? I don't like feeling that I am being steered into any corner, be it into Carnicom's dumbass biological innoculation nonsense or towards Peterson's apparent lack of understanding about sulfate pollution. The jury is still out on those two. You should have asked Chem11 in private about this before trying to make him look bad again.
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Post by socrates on Dec 11, 2006 18:58:59 GMT -5
sorry Swamp, I'll move it to the right place.
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Post by altitudelou on Dec 11, 2006 20:59:54 GMT -5
Admin said, "Lou, If you would please post that last one in the new section. Thanks..... " gastronamus.proboards27.com/index.cgi?board=disinfo ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- There you go Swamp, I moved my post regarding the 'Great Arkansas Onion Oracle', feel free to delete the one in this thread now, sorry about not adhering to the NEW rules.
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Post by Swamp Gas on Dec 11, 2006 21:26:31 GMT -5
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Post by altitudelou on Dec 11, 2006 22:28:14 GMT -5
10-4 + 73's
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Post by altitudelou on Dec 15, 2006 22:57:11 GMT -5
I wonder if the Great Britain has it's own version of our debunkers to deter people like 'Phil Morris' of Cheshire from speaking out on the subject of the Chemtrail Spraying that they like us are experiencing. Why are people who observe and speak to this great change that has taken place in our sky's with regard to the departure from the way normal contrail once where, to what is now a sky constantly filled with what is being called 'persistent jet contrail's' not taken seriously when such a cross-section of our societies people worldwide have and are raising their collective voices in concern of what they are witnessing taking place in the sky. It is at the least, obscene to relegate so many hard working, honest people into the "Crazy pile" who only wish to know the truth with regard to these abnormally made trail's that spread and turn into allegedly persistent contrail's even when the altitudes that they are being made at does not contain enough humidity to support there formation. We are seeing this assault on our sky's as well as the assault on our very sensibilities and intellect in that we are somehow unworthy or unable to determine what we perceive as abnormal and unnatural with regard to the trail's to be a very real issue, I for one reject this characterization of people who recognize the falsehood when told that everything is normal when in fact we can see quite clearly that it is anything but normal. From,... iccheshireonline.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0100regionalnews/tm_method=full&objectid=18262148&siteid=50020-name_page.html#story_continueVapour trails? That's what THEY want you to think Dec 14 2006 By Adrian Short, Runcorn Weekly News COULD secret military planes be flying over Halton as part of an experiment to control the weather? Mid Cheshire-based researcher Phil Morris says he has spotted unmarked aircraft flying over the Silver Jubilee Bridge, Fiddler's Ferry power station and the industrial areas of Widnes and Runcorn, leaving thick, white, rapidly expanding 'chemtrails' which behave differently from normal condensation trails.
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Post by altitudelou on Dec 15, 2006 23:02:41 GMT -5
I don't understand why I can not get a whole like to go into my post, it's very frustrateing.
You will have to cut and paste that link to read the article, I am not even going to try and repost it.
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Post by altitudelou on Dec 15, 2006 23:05:20 GMT -5
LINK, LINK, LINK, I've had enough of this, I feel like I'm beating my head against the wall.
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Post by halva on Dec 15, 2006 23:20:11 GMT -5
I wonder if the Great Britain has it's own version of our debunkers to deter people like 'Phil Morris' of Cheshire from speaking out on the subject of the Chemtrail Spraying that they like us are experiencing. Why are people who observe and speak to this great change that has taken place in our sky's with regard to the departure from the way normal contrail once where, to what is now a sky constantly filled with what is being called 'persistent jet contrail's' not taken seriously when such a cross-section of our societies people worldwide have and are raising their collective voices in concern of what they are witnessing taking place in the sky. It is at the least, obscene to relegate so many hard working, honest people into the "Crazy pile" who only wish to know the truth with regard to these abnormally made trail's that spread and turn into allegedly persistent contrail's even when the altitudes that they are being made at does not contain enough humidity to support there formation. We are seeing this assault on our sky's as well as the assault on our very sensibilities and intellect in that we are somehow unworthy or unable to determine what we perceive as abnormal and unnatural with regard to the trail's to be a very real issue, I for one reject this characterization of people who recognize the falsehood when told that everything is normal when in fact we can see quite clearly that it is anything but normal. From,... iccheshireonline.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0100regionalnews/tm_method=full&objectid=18262148&siteid=50020-name_page.html#story_continueVapour trails? That's what THEY want you to think Dec 14 2006 By Adrian Short, Runcorn Weekly News COULD secret military planes be flying over Halton as part of an experiment to control the weather? Mid Cheshire-based researcher Phil Morris says he has spotted unmarked aircraft flying over the Silver Jubilee Bridge, Fiddler's Ferry power station and the industrial areas of Widnes and Runcorn, leaving thick, white, rapidly expanding 'chemtrails' which behave differently from normal condensation trails. The version of "debunking" that prevails in Great Britain is a kind of snobbery against "conspiracy theorists". This has so far prevented Phil Morris from being willing to to try intervene in discussions of climate change activists. He spends all his time chasing journalists and has had at least one go-nowhere discussion with a Liberal Democrat member of parliament.
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Post by altitudelou on Dec 15, 2006 23:39:46 GMT -5
What's his name wrote,
"The version of "debunking" that prevails in Great Britain is a kind of snobbery against "conspiracy theorists". This has so far prevented Phil Morris from being willing to to try intervene in discussions of climate change activists."
""He spends all his time chasing journalists and has had at least one go-nowhere discussion with a Liberal Democrat member of parliament."" ______________________________________________________________________
I'm fully aware of Phil Morris's background and efforts to bring the Chemtrail issue to light in the U.K. but thanks for your negative thoughts, there's a shortage these days, "NOT".
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Post by socrates on Dec 16, 2006 0:02:32 GMT -5
Hey Lou, I tracked down the link. Don't worry, be Hopi. This is good news getting articles like this. There's not much in it, but it doesn't seem to make him look crazy. Some people arguing that chemtrails are real do come across as insane, if you get my drift. Vapour trails? That's what THEY want you to think Dec 14 2006 By Adrian Short, Runcorn Weekly News COULD secret military planes be flying over Halton as part of an experiment to control the weather? Mid Cheshire-based researcher Phil Morris says he has spotted unmarked aircraft flying over the Silver Jubilee Bridge, Fiddler's Ferry power station and the industrial areas of Widnes and Runcorn, leaving thick, white, rapidly expanding 'chemtrails' which behave differently from normal condensation trails. There is growing speculation that the chemtrails are deposited by unmarked planes flying from the USA, seeding the sky with chemicals - possibly in a bid to supress global warming, to trap pollution or for some sinister military purpose. Mr Morris has shot hours of video footage of what he says are the strange planes in action over Cheshire and Merseyside, along the M62 corridor and beyond. He says normal condensation trails left by commercial jets usually disappear within one minute, but the chemtrails slowly expand and leave a whispy white haze in the sky, which causes noticeable atmospheric changes at ground level. Mr Morris says the silver, grey or black planes mainly operate in the milder weather between spring and autumn, fly in from the sea at sunrise along the Blackpool coast and head in a south-easterly direction towards Cheshire. Popular theories are that the chemtrails contain barium or aluminium fibres and Mr Morris says the trails can be seen switching on and off in a controlled manner. He said: 'The planes I have videoed leave large crosses, grids, A and H shapes in the sky that spread out slowly over hours to create fake chemical clouds. 'They fall and thicken quickly, leaving the telltale dough-nut-on-a-rope shape. They are 100% pure white in daylight and pale pink as the sun sets, while every other natural cloud has varying shades of white, grey and black plus colours as the sun sets. 'They also drift at around only 5-10% the speed of normal clouds, often in the opposite direction to all the other clouds. Also, these trails and white sheets often move in the opposite direction to all the other real clouds.' Mr Morris points to a series of patents for technologies involving spraying aluminium powder to trap carbon dioxide, deflect the sun's rays and even improve radar and radio propagation. And people are said to experience physical symptoms in the shadow of the weird clouds, including muscular stiffness, dizziness and tingling sensations. Mr Morris said his claims have been dismissed by the UK authorities. adrian.short@cheshirenews.co.uk
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Post by altitudelou on Dec 16, 2006 18:23:01 GMT -5
Response from "Watchthe sky" ( watchthesky.org/chems/chemdata.htm ) posted at CTC, www.chemtrailcentral.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=103652#103652Quote: watchthe sky "Thanks for the link to my website above Louis. I am glad to see that someone finally took the time to understand the importance of using atmospheric science and upper atmosphere data along with our pictures of chemtrail spraying. In order to be effective in the face of serious denial by government agencies and scientific researchers that chemtrail spraying is taking place, we have to be able to frame our case based upon the same science that they use to debunk the chemtrail spraying program.. You obviously get it and understand how to use the atmospheric data to prove your point. For those that wish to understand the relationship of atmospheric science, chemtrials and persistent contrails i offer these links on my website." Chemtrails 101 Doppler Radar Evidence Images and Data _____________________________________________________________ Watchthesky is quite correct in that we have to use atmospheric science as well as photographic evidence and observational reports if we are to be taken seriously with regard to the Chemtrail Spraying issue. When confronted with factual scientific data as evidence that the spraying is real and can be proven, scientist, politicians and skeptics alike will have too accept Chemtrail Spraying as a reality or deny that the science is correct and that is something that they can not do. People need to take the time to understand just how simple and easy it is to prove this criminal aerosol spraying program and start sending there data, photos, etc,...to there representatives and demanding that they act on it, start investigations, hold Congressional herrings and reveal the truth to the very people that they are supposed to represent. Nothing is going to be accomplished by keeping this worldwide Chemtrail Spraying issue an internet forum topic of discussion, your participation and activism is needed if this crime against humanity is ever going to be brought to the attention of the worldwide public in it's entirety. If you do nothing, expect that nothing will be done to really resolve this issue.
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Post by socrates on Dec 16, 2006 22:03:48 GMT -5
You make a valid point.
It would be nice to get a lawyer and gather up all this evidence and start radiatively forcing them to come clean.
Yet, I also believe in the "100th monkey", that the more the word is spread, the more chance we have for your evidence strategies to succeed.
Hey, if he who shalt not be named avoids your or watchthesky's or anyone else's evidence, then you really know you're onto something tangible.
I do not trust most politicians at this point with chemtrails. I believe are only chance is through the courts or if this story breaks in another country. What are they gonna do, shut down the internet and impose martial law?
The only question left is how long will they be able to continue "owning the weather" until the truth comes out, and then like the Bush Administration, they are declawed.
The voting machines to me are just important as the chemtrails, in that if we cannot live with democratic ideals, then it will be tough to stop them, especially if they shut down the internet.
The courts, the politicians, the media, this is where we need breakthroughs. Perhaps even some rich famous dude like Charlie Sheen could go on CNN Entertainment and get this some frigging coverage.
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Post by altitudelou on Dec 16, 2006 22:18:21 GMT -5
I agree Soc, talk is cheep on the internet, we need to get a grassroots movement going from the ground up on this evidence strategy, confront then with what they believe in, their own science.
I'm late getting this posted but look at my post in the "Aerosol Reposts Section", I did a little checking to make sure the upper air sounding data was reliable.
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Post by BigBunny on Dec 16, 2006 23:38:59 GMT -5
Socrates, as you know, I am a lawyer and I specialise in Administrative Law which means generally dealing/fighting with Government bureaucrats. The problem is not the evidence - the problem is getting experts who are recognised by Government as being reliable who also agree with you about the origins and the extent of the problem. I know the standard retort is that they have all been bought off financially. This is not strictly true - there are too many cases emerging of scientists such as microbiologists meeting their "Maker" long before Nature intended. Fear can be a great motivator.
So what do we do. Yes we gather the evidence then we seek out the experts and see if we can find someone who is disaffected with the Establishment and who is at the same time believable and media friendly. Look at Dr Rokke and Depleted Uranium. Until Dr Rokke started making noise about DU the public had no idea of the catastrophe that was being perpetrated through DU use. This is the sort of exposure we need.
Another point that we must get serious about is the subject itself. We are not talking about "owning the weather" or weather modification - the real point of the exercise is Climate Control on a GLOBAL scale. When you achieve climate control you control everything on the surface of the planet. This sounds like Frankenstein science but this is the objective. And as you know according to some in this wicked world the end always justifies the means.
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Post by socrates on Dec 17, 2006 13:17:25 GMT -5
Socrates, as you know, I am a lawyer and I specialise in Administrative Law which means generally dealing/fighting with Government bureaucrats. The problem is not the evidence - the problem is getting experts who are recognised by Government as being reliable who also agree with you about the origins and the extent of the problem. I know the standard retort is that they have all been bought off financially. This is not strictly true - there are too many cases emerging of scientists such as microbiologists meeting their "Maker" long before Nature intended. Fear can be a great motivator. Hi BB, I think you are correct. There is something very shady about what happened to all those microbiologists and to whistleblowers in general. I think you are also correct that not everyone who is in power has been bought off. It does appear that there are two primary factors in why this case hasn't been brought to the courts yet. One, we do live in a Matrix like world where childhood conditioning is very difficult to overcome. Also, there is the fear factor. I think that once this story breaks, it will break big time like with the U.S. having started an illegal war or with their efforts to destroy the Constitution. DU is another issue like Morgellons which has been the victim of psy-ops. I came across many posters fake or otherwise calling DU a hoax. Now it is emerging that both of them are realities that need to be stopped. As for exposure, I wish we had someone from California who might have an idea of how the Moyer Report has influenced the general public as regards to "persistent contrails" being anything other than natural water vapour condensation. I am interested in how the general public views this situation. I find that people who don't believe in or think about chemtrails have been annoyed at times with my persistence in talking about them. But over time, there hits a point where they can no longer ignore my blatherings as mere tinfoil. Yes, I agree. In my opinion, even if there becomes less spraying as the ozone holes perhaps correct themselves, there is a big picture element to all this, call it "owning the weather" or as you put it "the real point of the exercise is Climate Control on a GLOBAL scale." That's what I have seen trying to wade through the heavy scientific reading. They have all these fancy computers, fancy scientists, and they do believe that there is nothing that "civilization" can't fix. Too bad they don't understand that it is not their "right" to manage the earth's chemistry. They should be trying to get rid of the sources of our global environmental problems, not simply make it worse through their arrogance and misguided Frankenstein beliefs that they can just balance all this chemistry. The way they are going about this reminds me of how corrupt accountants are hired to "cook the books" or how arrogant western physicians treat symptoms rather than try to cure the problem. Jean-Jacque Rousseau wrote about the "Noble Savage". He was a leader of the counter-enlightenment. It is going to take a lot of humanity to fix this world. The "civilized" hacks, shills, and madmen, no matter how "smart" they are, are simply the primary problem facing humanity. Our hope resides in the fact that the majority of us are good and believe in doing the right thing. So if we get the right evidence and the right judges at the right time, this chemtrail baby- this cynical Frankenstein nonsense will hit primetime and then that wicked witch will melt.
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Post by socrates on Dec 17, 2006 17:50:56 GMT -5
bump
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